So we only just stopped being underdogs today?
This was a match away against Leicester, who were in second place before the match started, and who’ve done alright this season. Wind your entitled neck in.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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This was a match away against Leicester, who were in second place before the match started, and who’ve done alright this season. Wind your entitled neck in.
Before the game Id have taken it but just like the city game we've dropped 2 points!
Because he would be playing as forward instead of Rashford.
Missed sitters happen. No striker will score every chance he gets, people need to get over it.
And he still would be doing feck all because he's not putting in any effort off the ball.
Sick of seeing this being bumped considering how much better we're doing. This is undoubtedly our best period post-SAF. People should put some respect on Ole's name.
Feel he has a big decision to make with Cavani soon. The guy is pure class and will not be happy being benched for a guy who’s never been a number 9. And make no mistake, that position is costing us.
Easing him in has been fine, but it’s time now to make him first choice.
Easing him in has been fine, but it’s time now to make him first choice.
I prefer it when you're ruthlessly and objectively critiquing the coaching
On the whole I can agree with your sentiment though. My last post after the Everton game was saying I was believing in Ole more and was looking forward to the next game. The table doesn't lie and perhaps we're just trying to accept the 'norm' of nearly men, instead of the of feeling dread and being underwhelmed by not accepting the standards of 'in comparison to the league' type mentality. Sigh.
Let's be honest, you and I know we should be expecting more from this team and Coach considering the quality in the squad.
I've been critical of him many times but simply impossible to blame dropped points on him today. 3 centre halves on the pitch and still Vardy completely unmarked in the box. Shambolic defending, we had the 3 pointer in the bag....
I agree. we scored 2 today, wasted some chances but can’t complain much when scoring 2. Conceding 2 is the issue and especially in the manner we did concede
2 different things. Not even sure what your point is. For e.g. Second chance, Martial would be in the same position as Rashford and he scores it.
Whatever you are saying has nothing to do with what I mentioned earlier.
Haha. I'm more ruthless when I'm angry about a result.I prefer it when you're ruthlessly and objectively critiquing the coaching
On the whole I can agree with your sentiment though. My last post after the Everton game was saying I was believing in Ole more and was looking forward to the next game. The table doesn't lie and perhaps we're just trying to accept the 'norm' of nearly men, instead of the of feeling dread and being underwhelmed by not accepting the standards of 'in comparison to the league' type mentality. Sigh.
But I feel today's one is not that bad, disappointed as we were ahead twice, but that's it. Onwards and upwards.Another big game, another game where we dropped points. Get him out
James should always in on the bench as an impact sub. I don't see why Ole thinks James can be on any use. Poor first touch, doesn't beat players nowadays, even referee doesn't trust him and issue yellow card for diving. I also think Greenwood and Cavani should always start before Martial. Only start Martial when these 2 are not available, if Martial is unhappy then sell.him to the highest bidder.
My point is that Martial doesn't even make the effort to get into goal scoring opportunities in the first place while you're assuming that he'll magically appear in them despite no effort from him off the ball to get into those chances you're blaming Rashford for missing.
Those chances won't even exist if Martial was playing because he'll strolling about outside the box like what he did the entire game.
You are also a storied and long time moderator of this forum.
So keeping this thread open makes mockery of this forum as a place for serious football discussion.
Cavani cannot play 90 mins every game. We have to use him smartly and Ole is doing that. He has been injury prone in last 2 years so no point starting him match after match especially in this festive period fixtures. He will start against Wolves so no complaints on that regard.
Huh?
Cavani played on Wednesday and at his age he wasn’t going to play today. There’s giving him a chance and then being reckless with his fitness especially when he’s had a long injury before joining us.
Cavani will be our main striker once the Xmas and New Years fixture pile up is out the way. Right now we need to use the squad.
What’s the difference between one game to the next? Every game is as important as the last one.
Today’s game Ole did enough to secure Victory, I’m not sure why your implying Ole isn’t equipped to win games like today when we had clear chances to score more and shouldn’t have conceded two considering how little Leicester created.
Individual errors today.
This is by far the worst thread here. 4 points off at the end of the calendar year, with two to play against the team ahead. It's madness to think every single minute is a referendum in this man's managerial career.
Also, since when did the alternate reality of scoring 5 a game become a realistic expectation? Scoring is not as big of a problem as this teams habits of letting in shit goals. Really, completely, utterly garbage soft goals.
Also, since when did the alternate reality of scoring 5 a game become a realistic expectation? Scoring is not as big of a problem as this teams habits of letting in shit goals. Really, completely, utterly garbage soft goals.
It's a moderating team. Generally, all decisions are made mutually.
This have nothing to do with OleIN or OUT but he continues to do mistakes regarding line ups and tactics.
1.Starting with James and Lindelöf on the right side is a weak decision. Lindeshit wasn’t healthy and Dan James isn’t good enough to start against Leicester. This cost us one unnecessary substitution.
2. Why change formation after 60 min when he takes off James?
3. Why don’t he use Matic after our second goal?
4. How come we continue to do silly mistakes over and over and over again? Coaching. Stupidity. Only Ole and his team can change this with steady and firm coaching.
He needs to make less mistakes if he wants to close the gap to Pool and City.
1.Starting with James and Lindelöf on the right side is a weak decision. Lindeshit wasn’t healthy and Dan James isn’t good enough to start against Leicester. This cost us one unnecessary substitution.
2. Why change formation after 60 min when he takes off James?
3. Why don’t he use Matic after our second goal?
4. How come we continue to do silly mistakes over and over and over again? Coaching. Stupidity. Only Ole and his team can change this with steady and firm coaching.
He needs to make less mistakes if he wants to close the gap to Pool and City.
I understand that. And we have an excellent set of moderators who almost always make the correct decisions, and very fairly and rationally too. Which is why I don’t understand the blind spot when it comes to this thread.
(well I can only think of one reason!)
Scoring plenty, 4 off top, loads of players I like, exciting games. Unbeaten away from home in 2020, lots of comebacks, fernandes firing all the time, strongest bench in the league.
I'm happy with where we are.
I'm happy with where we are.
James is directly involved in the 1-0 goal
Good decisions today:
Putting Cavani in as an impact sub
Taking out James before the 60 minute mark
Bad decisions today:
James starting in such an important game
Lindelof at right back
Replacing Pogba with James on the left instead of someone like Greenwood
Putting Cavani in as an impact sub
Taking out James before the 60 minute mark
Bad decisions today:
James starting in such an important game
Lindelof at right back
Replacing Pogba with James on the left instead of someone like Greenwood
Missed the start of the game because I overslept. Then had unannounced visitors, and couldn't really pay attention to the game. Both of these things happened on Ole's watch. Sack immediately.
You're saying this stuff as if you're some sort of expert and these things are black and white, that any casual observor can see. Football isn't so simple that you get to just say 'mistakes' for things you don't agree with.
Didn't like the line up, but we have 4 games in about a week now. Mixed things up and should have been leading at half time despite the supposed line up mistake.
Didn't like the formation change after James came off? Did we not dominate then and score again? Surely this was correct change?
Moaning that he didn't bring on matic? Thats a first on this forum, and laughable really. We had plenty on defensively and got undone by good movement and a lucky deflection. I suspect that if they had equalised with matic on you or many like you would be complaining that he invited the pressure with a defensive sub.
So many posters just use retrospect to support their opinion literally every time we don't win. It's a ridiculous and impossible standard.
Keep
is this the new post match thread these days?
is this the new post match thread these days?
I’m also very happy where we are and delighted by the progress Ole has made, which is also ahead of any reasonable schedule. In answer to the OP, it’s keep Ole for a long time. No debate left in this question.
The best thing is that our Long term underlying form is very good, (Unbeaten away from home in 2020!!). it’s highly unlikely our form will downward spirals into what Ole experienced during his first calendar year in the job.
Ole has created a hard working team that is very difficult to beat in the league, and which is capable of playing scintillating football and knows how to score goals. And through some very shrewd squad trimming and transfers, Ole now has a squad with options.
All it is lacking is some more defensive solidity and being more clinical in front of goal. And that could be solved by existing players making final level of development or if needs must, in the transfer market in the summer.
In answer to the OP, it’s keep Ole for a long time. No debate left in this question amongst rational or fair minded people
Good post.
‘tis thread should be closed untill atleast closer to the season end. It’s pathetic
Unless there's another good active thread to discuss Ole's performance as a manager this should stay open.
I don't get why people want to close the only active and regular thread about discussing the manager ? The one in the performance forum is dead, no one posts there. People aren't saying "sack him now" consistently in this thread. It's just a discussion about the manager's form either positive or negative.
If someone hates this thread so much, they can put it on ignore, but there should be at least one active big thread to discuss the manager in it.
This is exactly why James started. If we hadn’t, Leicester would have ripped us apart and sent attack after attack down the left.
Dissapointed we didn't win after taking the lead twice but a point against Leicester isn't a bad result at all.
Leicester had better ball players in midfield compared to ours and their fullbacks were also better than ours at supporting the attackers. But we still created some very good chances and if it wasn't for some awful finishing then I feel we would've won the game. But a point is a good result with all things considered.
Leicester had better ball players in midfield compared to ours and their fullbacks were also better than ours at supporting the attackers. But we still created some very good chances and if it wasn't for some awful finishing then I feel we would've won the game. But a point is a good result with all things considered.
There is a performance thread. This is the should we sack him now thread which is why it gets such a reaction.
Don't see anything wrong with pointing out the obvious. Opinions can be stupid. Even obviously so.
The performance thread is the place to discuss his performance. This is a thread to discuss sacking him which is just plain stupid.
I guess all of us have almost forgotten that other threads exist and come here to post our thoughts on anything. Clearly today’s result doesn’t raise questions about the manager. Most of today’s posts are actually post-match comments and there is a related thread for that. I mean why would anyone come here to post about Rashford’s misses! Even if anyone wants to discuss team’s selection, this can be done in the post-match thread.
i have to admit it’s interesting discussing here. I personally made it to a full member through posting here!
But I just feel this thread is more of a generic discussion nowadays.
i have to admit it’s interesting discussing here. I personally made it to a full member through posting here!
But I just feel this thread is more of a generic discussion nowadays.To demand Solskjaer is sacked during our current spell is laughable really.
Then again a lot of fans have made their minds up clearly and want him gone regardless of what he does.
Then again a lot of fans have made their minds up clearly and want him gone regardless of what he does.
And the thread in performance forum is dead. People seem to find posting here easier than there, either those who support him or not. The discussions here haven't all about just sacking him and all that. So either tell people the one in performance forum is the main one and close this or change the title of this thread to be the performance one and close the other.
But at the moment it's clear the majority are just treating this as the performance thread and not just "sack him now" one. Mods have to choose one of them to keep and close the other.
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