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The “Ole In” Brigade
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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I was typing out a serious reply until I saw this.
This has me dying.
One thing Ole needs credit for is that in the last month we played a lot of games and he managed the squad very well in terms rotating players and choosing the most suitable team based on the opposition. With the Europa league starting in February, this will become even more crucial moving forward in order to be competitive on all fronts so here's hoping that everyone stays fit and we get 1/2 reinforcements in (Diallo for ballon d'or 2021 
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Also, let's hope VdB is able to feature more and show his quality
).Also, let's hope VdB is able to feature more and show his quality
Because we'd have to pick a consistent playing style and I'm not sure Ole even has one.
Can already see the pages upon pages of 'OUT OF HIS DEPTH' if we lose at Anfield. I hope he's earned a bit of goodwill after putting together a really strong run
haha you are probably right there to be fair.
Saw this, you love to see it
I don’t understand the Ole naysayers... Look, we had criticisms of SAF as well — we’re fans, it’s what we do. But surely the Ole outers want to see where this goes given our position in the table...?
Nice words my man. We could criticise Fergie for stupid decisions like why drop an inform Nani for Valencia against City and we all debate it with not issues. But talk bad of Ole your not a true fan.
I think we will see alot fewer Ole outers now that pochettino is off the market. A lot off poster have a massive hard-on for him. Now there are not really not that many obvious candidates out there.
If Poch manages the amazing feat of not losing the league title in his 1 team league, and we don't win the prem this year there will be threads.
Precious. I remember you saying at one point that the fans who backed Ole wasn’t real fans because real fans would see the only way forward was sacking him. Heh. Imagine that.
It was fine margins for not getting out of that group. The real killer was the result in Turkey and even under Ferguson United had a poor record in Turkey.
I am glad I saw this thread. As Pochettino is now signed for PSG, there won't be much "Ole out" from fans I suppose
Are Ole Outers really Poch groupies? Maybe they will 'support' PSG now? Or do they have to carry on with their Ole vendetta and still feign support of United?
Go find it and bring it to me! Also go look what I was responding to. I’ve never been a self righteous fan like most of Ole backers.
I think I got it. Is it Lucius donning his own creation of the Batman cape?
Being in top 4 is important to attack bigger talents.
But, you can't measure the team progress in CL until we come out as the top team in own domestic league first. Not being able to close the the deal was what I meant about lacking experience there as a whole team, players, staff etc. Some of them might have a lot of experience individually, but not as a team which is vital.
I would not worry too much with not doing so well in CL at this point while trying to build a consistent league team first.
They will be busy thinking up excuses for Poch when it's clear he's not going to last at PSG.
What on EarthI think the Ole naysayers have just been beaten down by the "one step forwards, two steps back" nature of the club for the last 8 years and now find it very difficult to develop any trust. The biggest issue with Ole's entire reign has been the fact that support for him builds and builds until we lose or draw one game at which point it basically feels hopeless. It is clear to anyone that more good has been done for the club under him than there has been with anyone since 2013. Even in the downturns I have always felt grateful that we have someone who is genuinely doing trying to do the best for the club and create stable foundations. That is what I think goes underappreciated, if Ole left tomorrow the next manager would be in a far better place than any new manager since Sir Alex retired.
If there's less criticism of Ole it's because of the results and has nothing to do with Poch being off the market.
There are plenty of interesting young managers out there to look at if we do want to change managers, Poch was only one of about five.
But the case for that will depend on how we finish the season now, obviously. We're on course for a 78 point league finish so that's pretty much the minimum standard Ole has to achieve, which should be comfortably 2nd or 3rd and, if the season keeps going as it has been, a lot closer to the title winner.
There are plenty of interesting young managers out there to look at if we do want to change managers, Poch was only one of about five.
But the case for that will depend on how we finish the season now, obviously. We're on course for a 78 point league finish so that's pretty much the minimum standard Ole has to achieve, which should be comfortably 2nd or 3rd and, if the season keeps going as it has been, a lot closer to the title winner.
What tactics and technical skills would you want a new assistant to implement?
Criticising Ole is absolutely fine and normal, to a point. The guy takes decisions every game and is constantly rotating and changing tactics. Sometimes works and other times it doesn't but this is natural and good to consider the overall performances and whether taking good decisions more often than not. But hammering on about Ole being a shite manager and we must get rid, especially at this point in the season, and yes I would argue you are a weird fan and best ignored.
The issue here is that you criticised Ole blindly and being ignorant of what he has done, chose to look at irrelevant thing and ignore the much bigger and more important picture.
For example, you were arguing us not making progress under him for getting into 3rd place last season due to 66 points, in reality you are ignoring the bigger picture that he needs to move 2 step backward in order to move 4 step forward.
66 points is one of the step backwards he needed to take because he needed to rebuild the squad again after losing some first team players like Lukaku, Herrera, Smalling, Valencia and etc and also players like Matic & Mata were ageing. The rebuild what he did last season was to bring Maguire, Bissaka, Bruno (came in end of January) to replace players he lost, develop youth players like Greenwood for example, improve players like Martial, Rashford, Fred and etc, as a result we had 14 league games unbeaten run last season. These are part of step forwards that we called making progress last season.
Another example, you critcised his football style and you called it similar to Jose just based on irrelevant logic of not dominating in possession. In reality possession is not how you view football style.
So basically what your are saying is that ole is a bad manager if he somehow cannot convince the board aka the Glazers to fork out 250-300m pounds for two players in this economical climate?
It's no coincidence that Ole's assistant manager is Mike Phelan, who was Sir Alex Ferguson's right-hand man during three Premier League title wins, a Club World Cup, two League Cups and two runs to the final of the Champions League.
Who do you think we should replace him with?
The league won't be won or lost against Liverpool. Its worth remembering there's still 22 games left in this season.
I think its down to three things mostly.
1. Unrealistic expectations. Both in terms of results and how much one man can do. Its sad, but when Ole got here there was very little left of the legacy that Fergie built here. Memories yes, but almost all of the people that had made that legacy possible had gone. And while the manager does carry the can, football is not an individual sport
2. His lack of a CV. Which is perfectly understandable really
3. I think some people put all their eggs and then some in the Ole out basket. And dont want to back down
Then why did you post this:
“ Hes a shit manager. We might win today but it won't change the fact that hes awful at his job.”
Less than a month ago?
point 3 is definitely a forum/ Twitter ism. As I hope people are more rational in real life. No one wants to lose an internet argument with a load of strangers who make us silly names for themselves!
Football is an emotional rollercoaster for supporters ,all of us barring few tend to go overboard from time to time but that doesn't mean opinions can't be revised over a period of time.
This is too good to ignore.
You can not go from calling someone completely shit and a fraud to saying they’ve won you over in less than a month ffs.
We need to stop confusing being “emotional” with being over the top shitposters without any objectivity. The forum has a shocking standard of posting and “well people get emotional” isn’t a good enough reason.
You've hit the nail on the head. Fans do what fans do. And it's dettached from reality. We're talking here about people who watch a game on the TV, have no professional training or experience in it but are providing their expert opinion to people who not only do this for a living but are working under the unimaginable pressure of being a manager of Manchester United. And criticising Ole is easy because he has no proven track record in the PL (although I would argue that's no longer true) but criticising Sir Alex after him proving so many doubters wrong again and again....It just shows entitlement and basically knowing nothing on the subject.
Football, like most things in life, does not have binary options and answers. Decision makers cannot rely on hindsight. And another very important point is that the majority of work happens behind closed doors. We, as fans, rely on media coverage and live games to base our views and opinions.
When you watch a movie, do you shout at the screen at the actors about how they should've acted the scene better? When listening to music, do you mumble under your nose how the singer should've hit the note differently?
Or maybe when you're at the bank, do you secretly think how the teller should be doing their job better?
Just watch and enjoy the beautiful game. If you don't like how we play, fine. Why spread your negativity and unproven opinion, trying to make everyone as miserable as you are when watching our favourite club?
I'm newbie here and my mother language is not English. So, sorry for my language mistakes here.
I want to share my opinion on OGS.
When OGS is recruited to be the interim manager, I had euphoria but actually I prefer Zidane to be our manager.
Then, OGS made the unbeaten runs as an interim manager, I begin to trust OGS. After that I heard that he was willing to be permanent manager with a condition that was he need support for his long term plan to return the Man United mental to the players.
He began to dispose deadwoods, and recruit fresh, eager and not some money orientation players for quick fix.
I knew that what he aimed is not winning the title in one or two seasons, but to build the players' mental to be ready to fight for the title.
The process will be slow and painful, but what OGS did until now is a great thing, since in his second season the mental of the players has already changed much. The physique of the players is getting tougher, and now I can see that he rotates many players and make every player in the first team are ready to be played anytime. This will reduce injury proneness and fatigue, and also the players are happy because they know they will not sit on the bench for all time and have a chance to be played.
Let's hope that OGS can keep these things and we are back to the winning track once more.
I want to share my opinion on OGS.
When OGS is recruited to be the interim manager, I had euphoria but actually I prefer Zidane to be our manager.
Then, OGS made the unbeaten runs as an interim manager, I begin to trust OGS. After that I heard that he was willing to be permanent manager with a condition that was he need support for his long term plan to return the Man United mental to the players.
He began to dispose deadwoods, and recruit fresh, eager and not some money orientation players for quick fix.
I knew that what he aimed is not winning the title in one or two seasons, but to build the players' mental to be ready to fight for the title.
The process will be slow and painful, but what OGS did until now is a great thing, since in his second season the mental of the players has already changed much. The physique of the players is getting tougher, and now I can see that he rotates many players and make every player in the first team are ready to be played anytime. This will reduce injury proneness and fatigue, and also the players are happy because they know they will not sit on the bench for all time and have a chance to be played.
Let's hope that OGS can keep these things and we are back to the winning track once more.