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Richard Keys and Craig Burnley are two clueless idiots with a lot of hate for Man United.
Minimal contact, sure, but contact either way and enough to send Pogba to the dirt. The defender pulling and Pogba's shoulders probably didn't help his case too much.Imo it was really minimal contact and pogba went down like a sack of potatoes.
Or not given in many cases. Tyrone Mings' borderline assault on Maguire that was neither awarded as a penalty nor challenged by VAR, for example.It was a stonewall penalty, there would be no debate if it was given the other way. Far more dubious penalties are given each and every week.
Fair enough, maybe my memory is wrong.It was a stonewall penalty, there would be no debate if it was given the other way. Far more dubious penalties are given each and every week.
I'm not sure either way, I didn't watch the pundits talk about it or show the clips. Only saw it in real time.Minimal contact, sure, but contact either way and enough to send Pogba to the dirt. The defender pulling and Pogba's shoulders probably didn't help his case too much.
Do you disagree it was a penalty?
This is so true. Referees with a split second decision to make, in the pre-VAR era, knew that an award to United would be closely scrutinised whereas dismissing the award would be unexamined and quickly forgotten. VAR means they know the decision will be scrutinised either way.All VAR does is prove my theory that Utd never got enough penalties before VAR
Years and years of referees getting abused for giving us penalties (especially at OT) undoubtedly made them less willing to give the 50:50 one’s
Agree!All VAR does is prove my theory that Utd never got enough penalties before VAR
Years and years of referees getting abused for giving us penalties (especially at OT) undoubtedly made them less willing to give the 50:50 one’s
Absolutely spot on. The great British media were the root cause of the ABU bias.This is so true. Referees with a split second decision to make, in the pre-VAR era, knew that an award to United would be closely scrutinised whereas dismissing the award would be unexamined and quickly forgotten. VAR means they know the decision will be scrutinised either way.
This was unconscious bias in most cases on behalf of the referees. Media bias, on the other hand, is often very obvious, very deliberate and not without consequences.
For me it was a penalty, but it was the kind of penalty that I'd be pissed off with if it was given against us. So I can see why some pundits were critical of it, even though I think it was the correct decision.Minimal contact, sure, but contact either way and enough to send Pogba to the dirt. The defender pulling and Pogba's shoulders probably didn't help his case too much.
Do you disagree it was a penalty?
What a knob! How can you be this inconsistent? Unless it’s that franks English In which case it’s quite obvious.Tweet
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Just look at the difference in commentary by the same journalist in the cases of Ole and 'Frank.' Joke really.
And yet there's a massive fecking thread about pundits supposedly being too kind to Ole.Tweet
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Just look at the difference in commentary by the same journalist in the cases of Ole and 'Frank.' Joke really.
Crazy emotion from Wayne Rooney after cambiasso scores
I think VAR has given us more penalties than usual because the natural narrative would be to not give United anything. VAR has taken some of the instinctual refereeing out of the game, and it's better for it.
Realistically, when we see how far people in position with power is willing to go to create a discrepancy between reality and perception rooted in opposition fan-bias. When you have pundits trying to create a unfair advantage towards United by putting every penalty decision under the microscope while ignoring every other context or relative information towards the claim that somehow we're given an advantage by getting undeserved penalties. It's bitterness masquerading as truth, but the fact is these types of narratives have an effect on the game.
The abu-media is real, and truth be told we have to accept that if we're not going to feck ourselves. Watch the video where Vardy tricks the ref into giving a penalty by first committing a foul and then diving. Everyone who has watched football can agree that what Vardy did isn't something that should be credited, but yet the narrative is so deeply rooted in anti-united bias that perception tells the narrator that Vardy did the right thing and that Rafael is rash. You have fans of Man Utd who actually believe that because they say so, and then you have all the other rival fans knowingly just laughing because it's United and even a wrong call is "deserved". 'Nothing good should happen to Man Utd', and if you think about that phrase while people talk and a red light flashes in front of you, you know the deal.
Yep, Shame Mark Clattenburg out there just wanted to change the "pro-united" reff narratives by ABU media.I think VAR has given us more penalties than usual because the natural narrative would be to not give United anything. VAR has taken some of the instinctual refereeing out of the game, and it's better for it.
The abu-media is real, and truth be told we have to accept that if we're not going to feck ourselves. Watch the video where Vardy tricks the ref into giving a penalty by first committing a foul and then diving. Everyone who has watched football can agree that what Vardy did isn't something that should be credited, but yet the narrative is so deeply rooted in anti-united bias that perception tells the narrator that Vardy did the right thing and that Rafael is rash. You have fans of Man Utd who actually believe that because they say so, and then you have all the other rival fans knowingly just laughing because it's United and even a wrong call is "deserved". 'Nothing good should happen to Man Utd', and if you think about that phrase while people talk and a red light flashes in front of you, you know the deal.
That penalty still really angers me. Up there with the Nani red card vs Real. Would VAR overrule that? Very rarely will VAR overrule the refs decision. How Vardy can look right at Rafa before hitting him with that force then go down to next to no contact is a joke.
Because he knew Clattenburg will buy it for sure.That penalty still really angers me. Up there with the Nani red card vs Real. Would VAR overrule that? Very rarely will VAR overrule the refs decision. How Vardy can look right at Rafa before hitting him with that force then go down to next to no contact is a joke.
Burley and Nicol are stealing a living. Nicol is barley audible these days he sounds more like Rab C Nesbitt on a bender.
Every time you see Burley lose his s**t about us, look up his Wikipedia entry and you'll get a right royal guffaw out of it. The section on his club career is short - and dominated by the following text:Richard Keys and Craig Burnley are two clueless idiots with a lot of hate for Man United.
He went on to become a regular under Glenn Hoddle and played in the 1994 FA Cup Final against Manchester United, picking up a runners-up medal following a 4–0 defeat. Two years later, Chelsea got to the FA Cup semi finals where they again faced Manchester United. With the score level at 1–1, Burley hit an errant back pass to set up David Beckham for what proved to be the winning goal.
Lord above, I guess some things really add up mentally over timeEvery time you see Burley lose his s**t about us, look up his Wikipedia entry and you'll get a right royal guffaw out of it. The section on his club career is short - and dominated by the following text:
There were a lot less penalties given in the 90s but yeah we were rarely near the top.When you think, during Fergie’s time, the amount of time we spent in oppo penalty areas vs the pens we got awarded... I’m sure there were seasons where we got none in the PL and 2 or 3 were standard, whilst Liverpool frequently topped the pens awarded chart
I’ve quoted this before but Andre Mariner admitted, after questioning about ignoring a stonewaller for us, “I didn’t want to be star of the show on motd”. says it all. They’re terrified of being pulled apart by little cuntos like Jamesie fecking Redknapp and the rest of the cockney/Liverpool crew. Some (Atkinson, Dean, Moss, Schoolboy etc) just exercise their right to hate us, without question. Been farcical for years.
It isn’t about the penalty...it’s this posters way of having a go at Pogba. Probably bitter that he won it. Sad.It was a stonewall penalty, there would be no debate if it was given the other way. Far more dubious penalties are given each and every week.
Burley is an absolute attention seeking tool. Embarrassed for him every time. I don’t even remember him as a player.I get so excited when we win a penalty, just to see the look at richard keys face.
Similarly, the best thing about us winning is that we get to see craig burley lose his shit. This week it was the 'they are only doing well because the league has been weak', when the topic was player of the season and not united related.
long may it continue!
Not sure I agree that the media is representative of all views. I know for sure that in Ireland the football media are almost exclusively anti-United.And yet there's a massive fecking thread about pundits supposedly being too kind to Ole.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/pundits-refusal-to-criticise-ole.459432/
The truth is that the media represent every point of view, and people just get triggered by one more than the other because, as an audience, they often have their own agendas.
The highlight of his career was setting up David Beckham for the winner in a cup semi final. Great pass too.Burley is an absolute attention seeking tool. Embarrassed for him every time. I don’t even remember him as a player.
Saw this just.... I thought penalty from angles on TV but think this shows defender step across Pogba and knock Pogba's left leg into his right?I'm not sure either way, I didn't watch the pundits talk about it or show the clips. Only saw it in real time.
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Even the spurs one was a pen last seasn. A bit soft but Pen nonetheless.22 penalties last season, and Football365 have analyzed them all. They claim that 5 of the 22 shouldn't been awarded.
Manchester United 1-0 Leicester
Norwich 1-3 Manchester United
Chelsea 1-2 Manchester United
Manchester United 2-1 Tottenham
Aston Villa 0-3 Manchester United
I think the one against Leiceister is stonewall and that one against Chelsea was soft, but still a penalty. So if we think that 3 of 22 last wasn't penalties, that means that 13,64 per cent of our penalties last season shouldn't been awarded.
We've had 11 penalties this season, and I think that the one against Newcastle and Leipzig shouldn't been awarded. But the rest of them are pretty much stonewall.
It looks like a foul but it also looks like a breeze could knock down pogba.Saw this just.... I thought penalty from angles on TV but think this shows defender step across Pogba and knock Pogba's left leg into his right?
(Don't recall TV showing this one?)
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He's excellent at using his body and screening the ball ... and inviting tackle/contact.It looks like a foul but it also looks like a breeze could knock down pogba.
Both points very true.He's excellent at using his body and screening the ball ... and inviting tackle/contact.
To be fair (in this case), when running and your legs hit each other, it's tough to stay up?