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I really dont get the Penalty argument . In order to get penalties we need to put ourselves in the positions to get them , we as a team happen to have explosive players up front who obviously will draw more fouls and when they do A decision is made and Then checked . End of. Same for every team , Put your tinfoil hats away.

the part I find bizarre is the agenda against United with penalties . Leicester have more than us and we have 1 more than most the other teams . But feck it Im enjoying watching the likes of Klopp and Liverpool fans clutching at straws because maybe we arent the Laughing stock they were loving . The Red Devils are rising and its getting uncomfortable for them now
 

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Tend to agree with this yeah, although in the NFL it's also the rule that the ruling on the field is upheld if there's not enough evidence to overturn. I think that's why I like the thought of it but maybe it's just not the right reasoning for football, dunno.


Cheers. Maybe a bit weird considering you've been so dominant in the PL for so long and expected to be more in the opposition's box.
Yes, hopefully we get all those we are owed
 

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I would be more interested in net penalties, e.g how many conceded and how many given as that could be interesting as well.

Then take the net penalty numbers and compare to data from other teams in the last 20 years and see how far out from the "normal" average Utd have been since OGS took charge.

Need proper stato with time on their hands to really see what is going on here.
We have conceded more than Liverpool this year?
Its this I cant stand. Fans come in with overview stats with big numbers and as soon as you ask them to be specific the goalposts are changed.
 

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Just might have something to do with the 1000 crosses you put in the box during a match. And your players getting a reputation of diving, and please don't say they don't, it's blatantly obvious for all to see.

There is no favouring when you are on 5 pens, and we are on 6?? If anything its Leicester being favored by hey ho, no word from it by Klopp, why is that? Because it has nothing to do with "unfairness" but simply trying to start an agenda against us leading up to the game. For that very reason, I desperately wish he gets his delusional wish come true when we play you guys and we get the most dubious penalty to win it. Till then, just beautiful to see.
Again, it's not if your penalties were deserved or not. The majority were, obviously. It's the parity as other teams' are equally as deserved but fractionally given in comparison to Utd (and Leicester).

You can provide weak arguments like Liverpool players diving, but have you seen Pogba's gesture to Shaw in the Villa game. It's quite significant and being discussed among non Utd fans. Again nothing wrong with learning to dive, seems to be part of the game nowadays anyway. But need the parity when awarding/declining penalties.
 

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My hearts bleeds for you and others supporting Liverpool!
Poor chaps. :D

This is all 'blah blah' from your end, preparing refs and var for the Burnley and Liverpool games that we have - refs will now think it over a million times before awarding ANY penalty to United.
That will be very good. :D
 

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Again, it's not if your penalties were deserved or not. The majority were, obviously. It's the parity as other teams' are equally as deserved but fractionally given in comparison to Utd (and Leicester).

You can provide weak arguments like Liverpool players diving, but have you seen Pogba's gesture to Shaw in the Villa game. It's quite significant and being discussed among non Utd fans. Again nothing wrong with learning to dive, seems to be part of the game nowadays anyway. But need the parity when awarding/declining penalties.
You can provide weak stats also but you refuse to even do that.
still waiting to see the figures for this unprecedented amount of penalties we’re having at the moment and that’s why other teams managers want an investigation

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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They are rattled.
They're seeing consistency and are worried so they resort to trying to influence referees for our games so that we don't get 50/50s anymore.
120% right with this.


That will be very good. :D
Pales into insignificance when compared to your 30 years of crying and gnashing of teeth without the coveted title and also seeing your rivals winning 13 ( that's thirteen) in the process - God bless his soul and thanks Sir SAF. :D
 

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I don't think that's what people are complaining about, I think it has more to do with the fact that Utd have had some penalty incidents looked at that other teams didn't. I can't speak for your penalty incidents as I've only seen the Villa one during this season, but I know for a fact that Liverpool have had some (offside, not necessarily penalty) decisions ruled against them, but when they could've been ruled in our favour, the checks were done in a matter of seconds or VAR didn't even look at it at all. It's that inconsistency which still bothers me a lot.

I'm not gonna complain about the penalties awarded in your favour - it's annoying for sure but VAR pretty much ensures that every one of them will be more or less justified. If we had won our last three games it wouldn't even have been brought up by Klopp. Do your own business instead of focusing on others is what I'd say.
Consistency is definitely an issue - but that's for all teams too not just Liverpool.

United have also had plenty of decisions not go our way, some fouls you expect VAR to intervene and they don't even bother.

The Martial / Lamela incident in particular was extremely frustrating.
 

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You can provide weak stats also but you refuse to even do that.
still waiting to see the figures for this unprecedented amount of penalties we’re having at the moment and that’s why other teams managers want an investigation

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Read my other posts for that.
 

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Lamps, Jose and now Klopp. Only a matter of time before Pep does the same.

Surely this is unfairly pressurising refs not to award us pens? With VAR I’m not sure what they’re yapping about. Not to mention Jose and Klopp have players with world class reputations for taking and winning penalties respectively.

I can’t help but feel they’re rattled.
It will make no difference at all. If there were no VAR, I would agree. But now with VAR, penalties will be awarded whatever.
 

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It will make no difference at all. If there were no VAR, I would agree. But now with VAR, penalties will be awarded whatever.
It makes huge difference. Refs initial call is very important, only clear and obvious mistakes are overturned.
 

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Consistency is definitely an issue - but that's for all teams too not just Liverpool.

United have also had plenty of decisions not go our way, some fouls you expect VAR to intervene and they don't even bother.

The Martial / Lamela incident in particular was extremely frustrating.
Daniel James booked for diving when it was a pen, Fred ditto against City at home last season.
If anything we are down in the deserved pens column
 

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So this season we've had a criminal amount of penalties awarded? 6 versus your 5?
The context is last season and this season. That's what all the managers (see OP again) are referring to and we are all effectively discussing here.
 

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Daniel James booked for diving when it was a pen, Fred ditto against City at home last season.
If anything we are down in the deserved pens column
Ah! the Fred one in particular completely baffled me. It was the most stone wall pen you'll ever see yet they didn't even bother to check it.

That's where I think VAR needs to improve the most - how can fans at home see a clear + obvious foul on a replay yet the people in charge and paid to do that job don't?!

Dan James is a tricky one because he's now got a reputation for hitting the deck with a slight breeze, I've noticed lots of fouls go against him these days as he just can't stay on his feet under any contact.
 

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Again, it's not if your penalties were deserved or not. The majority were, obviously. It's the parity as other teams' are equally as deserved but fractionally given in comparison to Utd (and Leicester).

You can provide weak arguments like Liverpool players diving, but have you seen Pogba's gesture to Shaw in the Villa game. It's quite significant and being discussed among non Utd fans. Again nothing wrong with learning to dive, seems to be part of the game nowadays anyway. But need the parity when awarding/declining penalties.
Have you got clips of any of these penalties that you should be getting but aren't? Should they actually be penalties or is it just you thinking in the heat of the moment that they should be?
 

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I don't read RAWK but to suggest a whole fanbase is less involved in conspiracy theories than another one is equally foolish imo - every football club has its nutters and given how global both Utd and Liverpool are, I don't think we can suggest one is crazier than the other based on some RAWK posters.

And regarding the manager stuff, I'd rather have a manager who actually wins us stuff and says some daft shit after the games that we don't win, than one with a nice guy image who doesn't win us anything.
Well, it's your own fans on your biggest forum behaving mental and conspiracy theory mad about it, so nobody is making it up. Every football club has nutters but the degree can vary owing to many factors. Our fans didn't in near unison defend Suarez' racist actions after all, these things start from the top and trickle down, and become a reality.

Nobody asked you what you prefer. I would prefer SAF dominating English football for 20 plus years even if he took a dump in front of the Kop everytime his team played there, but that wouldn't made it right.
 

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Its a distraction tactic from rival fans who were convinced we were shit and are trying to convince themselves its all about the pens.
I remember a gloating Liverpool fan saying how wrong it would be to see Ole ahead of Klopp in the table. Not so strange now that the countdown is on.
 

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The amount of penalties we get under VAR, makes me wonder if we haven't been short changed fur years.
I think we have. Wasnt there an article showing this (havent read the whole thread to see if its been posted).
Shows how unwilling refs were before to give us penalties. With VAR, whilst theres maybe one or two dodgy ones throughout for all teams, more often than not, we are getting what we deserve.
(Still annoyed at the one that was given against Lindelof and the one that wasnt given for Pogba v Villa)
 

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The context is last season and this season. That's what all the managers (see OP again) are referring to and we are all effectively discussing here.
Rival managers and fans suggesting they get unfair treatment? I'm shocked. Football really needs some sort of video replay analysis during games to route out such shameless bias in ref decisions.
 

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Leicester City have 4 fewer penalties than we got all of last season. They’ve got 21(!) matches left to break our tally, which was the record amount set just last season!

VAR and the new handball have allowed for more penalties to be given. There is no grand conspiracy against the rest of the league. There’s already been 67 penalties this season. There was a total of 92 last year. There are 21 game weeks to go.
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Aside: I wonder if the fact we’re so good at dispatching them psychologically makes them a bigger issue in people’s minds. Bruno has missed 1 penalty of the 10 he has taken in the league.
 

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Again, it's not if your penalties were deserved or not. The majority were, obviously. It's the parity as other teams' are equally as deserved but fractionally given in comparison to Utd (and Leicester).

You can provide weak arguments like Liverpool players diving, but have you seen Pogba's gesture to Shaw in the Villa game. It's quite significant and being discussed among non Utd fans. Again nothing wrong with learning to dive, seems to be part of the game nowadays anyway. But need the parity when awarding/declining penalties.
Cmon really? I've seen it myself and have discussed it already at length with other fans. How many times have commentators and many others said some players are "too honest". You genuinely think Pogba would tell his teammate in front of the world watching to actually DIVE? Anyone who believes that is just crazy honestly.

On the other hand, there is nothing wrong to suggest that if you do feel sufficient contact, that you have the right to go down, because as we know, if you don't, you don't get the question asked...that is different from diving without any contact at all, but when sufficient contact his made, no problem in giving the ref something to think about. Some may say that's cheating, but I don't see how, if contact is made without the ball being touched, then its fair game. That I believe is more what Pogba would have been telling Shaw rather than to out rightly tell him to cheat...like really.

Then regarding the parity story. Every single team gets robbed of a decision, I'm not sure there is ANY fan that will say every single match is done fair and square. To suggest that we are getting favored by penalties when we are also getting bad decisions against us just don't add up at all. Same goes for Liverpool and other clubs, when they get decisions favorable and unfavorable. I'd like to see how you back up your "parity" claim since you definitely haven't watch every premier league game to suggest that there isn't. If there is any parity, it is in the inconsistency of VAR across ALL teams.
 

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Rival managers and fans suggesting they get unfair treatment? I'm shocked. Football really needs some sort of video replay analysis during games to route out such shameless bias in ref decisions.
That was always going to be the case. The main thing that sticks out is refs and humans operating VAR are beyond shit. Something needs to be done about that as other sports are much better at it.
 

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We've got his head rolling, this is brilliant to see. We need to do nothing but keep on winning.

I've missed being Manchester United in a title race, strap in Caf!
 

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Well, it's your own fans on your biggest forum behaving mental and conspiracy theory mad about it, so nobody is making it up. Every football club has nutters but the degree can vary owing to many factors. Our fans didn't in near unison defend Suarez' racist actions after all, these things start from the top and trickle down, and become a reality.

Nobody asked you what you prefer. I would prefer SAF dominating English football for 20 plus years even if he took a dump in front of the Kop everytime his team played there, but that wouldn't made it right.
Feck off.
 

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Liverpool had their own period of getting an insane number of penalties, the season before last was it?

It's always likely that one of the top teams will have a period of higher than average penalty claims. We had that last season but if anything this season it's balanced back out.

It's good to see our rivals rattled :devil:
 

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That was always going to be the case. The main thing that sticks out is refs and humans operating VAR are beyond shit. Something needs to be done about that as other sports are much better at it.
Or rather, Klopp is flapping because he’s struggling and a fanbase with a long standing association with conspiracy theories didn’t need much convincing to get onboard. But then again Lampard and Mourinho back it up as well, so this lack of parity clearly must be true :rolleyes:
 

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Aside from this penalty bullshit, and how United are so obviously helped by the referees, Thiago, who they are all wanking over, should have been sent off in the first half last night. He was then allowed to go on and commit 3096 more fouls thereafter with not a another yellow looking likely. They are bloody lucky he is allowed to play against us. Literally feck all in the media about that either. But you know, Liverpool don't get luck do they? :lol:
 

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Is that actually true? You led the league in penalties awarded in 18/19 which was before his arrival, and led the league last year as well in a season he played less than half of the games in.
You are right. I take that back.

But it is not like united got abnormally high number of penalties than the second most team. It just means that we have started making more runs in the box since last 2 years or so.
 

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I'm not sure what this tweet is trying to prove but "since Fergie retired" doesn't equal Klopp's time at Liverpool, so you can already throw 13/14 and 14/15 out of the equation and start calculating again.
 

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Terrible at maths old klopp, must be the same calculator he’s using as @Dumbstar
Utd have had 32 penalties awarded since the start of the 18/19 season, Liverpool have had 29 penalties awarded since the start of the 15/16 season (might be even less under Klopp since he didn't take over until October).

So yeah...
 

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I'm not sure what this tweet is trying to prove but "since Fergie retired" doesn't equal Klopp's time at Liverpool, so you can already throw 13/14 and 14/15 out of the equation and start calculating again.
Did Liverpool start playing football since Klopp joined? It shows he is just stupid. Over the entire premier league era Liverpool had more penalties than united. But that did not hinder united to be the masters of the premier league with 13 titles vs one for Liverpool. Point is he should keep his mouth shut if he wants to pull things together because he transferring this anxiety to his players.
 

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This says it all:

Only facts, no propaganda:

Penalties won in PL seasons since Fergie retired ----

LFC vs Utd

13/14 > 12 vs 5
14/15 > 6 vs 5
15/16 > 2 vs 3
16/17 > 8 vs 4
17/18 > 3 vs 3
18/19 > 3 vs 3
19/20 > 5 vs 14 - The year LFC won the title
20/21 > 5 vs 6

Total > 44 vs 43

Now will you stop moaning here how the world is treating you and your team and go moan on RAWK!?
 

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Liverpool are in no position to call anyone cheats, unless we truly believe that 22 of their squad have asthma, which none of the players previous clubs had diagnosed.