So Liverpool sets the goalposts?
Rival managers complaining about our penalties
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What I find very funny is how there is a complain about the latest pen of Pogba. They say he dived but there is an angle, most conviniently forget about that shows clear contact.
Let’s look at those again using klopps five and a half years and man Uniteds two years he mentions. I count 20 for man United and 24, possibly 26 for klopp (since he likes referring to himself not having them and not the team) in the league, so his he crying about us having penalties in the Europa league too?
so, umm yeah
So wait: someone makes a valid claim, and you tried to dismiss it by just shifting the criteria because "football didn't start when Klopp joined Liverpool"?
Right
You quoted a tweet with false information and a totally different period of time than the one Klopp mentioned, just to have a dig at Dumbstar without even taking the time to check the stats. No worries, everyone makes mistakes.
Why does it even matter? Maybe teams should stop committing fouls on our players in the penalty box.
Liverpool have the fewest yellow cards of any team this season.
Since we’re ignoring all context and looking purely at stats, I can only conclude that since Liverpool have had fewer yellows than any other team in the league is because the refs are bent and they let Liverpool players off with murder. It’s literally the ONLY explanation. Please justify why refs won’t book your players and why they have issued ten fewer yellows to Liverpool players than Man Utd players.
That number last season is Klopps constipation. But had Salah and Co. not done somersaults and cartwheels in the box to dupe refree for penalty they would have got more genuine penalties. Once you are a diver in refree's mind it is difficult to convince.
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That’s desperate scousers for you. They used to complain about penalties that were actually a bit dubious, now they’re throwing their toys out over everything.
A bit sad, really.
Klopp mentioned his last five years and Man Utd’s 2. I’ve simply added up the pens in the premier league in that time frame. If you want to also include the Europa league etc and cry about that than carry on.
I had a dig at @Dumbstar as he’s in here on a wum saying we’re having an unprecedented amount of penalties and that’s why klopp is moaning about them. Ok so klopp is bringing up last season, this season but it didn’t bother him last season. Ok mate
The person making the initial claim can indeed set the goalposts, surely?
It was a petty and unnecessary comment, don’t think I’ve said otherwise even once. But don’t try to dismiss the claim by using your own different, arbitrary criteria.
Someone’s rattled
You cannot pick and choose the stats you like in your favor and argue. Others will do the same.
And a conversation can be opened up to prove how stupid the original point was?
If a losing team got to set all the argument without rebuke then we would be all drowning in salt. Plus we weren't even playing last night!
Say what you want about Jose, his better team lost nonsense was tiers below this bullshit
Don't really think you need a tinfoil hat on to make such a claim. When you watch every minute of all the games your team plays during a season you'll remember the incidents where you weren't given the pen/freekick/red card. The big teams draw the most viewers and clicks, hence the focus on their players. Take the Brighton match earlier this year, I am sure that if Rash or Martial had gone down inside the penalty area like Connoly did (twice) in that match it would be something rival fans used against us.
My point is that most of us watch everything from our own teams, and might catch MOTD or something similar, missing the context of the game for rivals. Personally, I watch a lot of games, but not with the same concentration as when United plays, thus missing parts of the game. It's been a lot of fuss after the Villa game, with the main tune being that we had the referee in the pocket. In that game, Villa was awarded 22 freekicks against our 10, Oliver was wildly inconsistent, and nothing was said about Traores' blatant dive on the edge of the box. These things tend to get less attention, naturally, so for anyone who didn't watch that particular game the story changes.
The experts in the Norwegian studio said that the situation with Pogba and Mings was checked and the elbow was deemed to be in a natural position, so I don't think we can use VAR as some kind of "fact check". This only strengthens your point, as they clearly don't favor us when claiming that to be a completely natural challenge. The fact check part is not aimed at your post btw, have seen VAR being used as an argument that all our penalties have been correct.
Not really, don't know why that's always brought up whenever I dispute claims. I'm annoyed by our poor play lately yes, but rattled? Nah.
Yes that's called giving a counter-argument which is perfectly fine. That doesn't make the initial claim wrong all of a sudden though.
You can argue all you want about how stupid his point was, and I'm in full agreement that it was 100% unnecessary to even bring up United in the first place.
You however can't say his claim is wrong by using the wrong stats or wrong period of time and then ridicule him for saying wrong things, which is basically what the Tweet that I replied to is doing.
So what was false about that tweet?
So he’s bringing up last season this season?
You guys are arguing a completely fictional claim of somehow refrees and VAR are favouring united based on specifically picked statistics. There is no rational argument left thereafter.
Err yes, I do think that’s what “last 2 seasons” means.
Err funny
For starters that he used a different timeframe than Klopp did, and Utd got 12 penalties in 18/19, not 3.
They're really not. Stats very useful to see how likely an event is compared to what has happened historically.
Same thing we do with economic numbers, you have years of data, you can take the current data and work out what the standard deviation from the mean is of the current data we're seeing.
Klopp said last five years, tweet shows that.
it’s fine though, we’ll ignore the years and years of Liverpool having more penalties, we’ll ignore United having so many last year. We’ll just wait untill they have ONE more than us this year and I’ll start crying about it. It’s great and the fact you agree and start cherry picking when you want numbers from is great
The rules have changed which will almost certainly lead to a higher amount of penalties (e.g. that stupid handball rule nowadays). Comparing to seasons with other rules is pretty pointless in that case.
It’s football
The tweet goes back to 13/14, if you think that’s 5 years then I’ve got nothing left to say mate.Klopp said last five years, tweet shows that.
it’s fine though, we’ll ignore the years and years of Liverpool having more penalties, we’ll ignore United having so many last year. We’ll just wait untill they have ONE more than us this year and I’ll start crying about it. It’s great and the fact you agree and start cherry picking when you want numbers from is great
The tweet includes the last five years that klopp mentions. You think I can’t stop at five years and do my own maths.
I was kind of joking but you’re seriously clutching at straws now
Okay keep doing your math based on the wrong information included, such as penalties for 18/19. Which I already mentioned.
So why are we comparing this season to last season? In fact the rules pretty much changed this season as well. Lindelof gave away a penalty against Palace for a handball in the first game that no longer would be given.
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Ok, keep cherry picking your years to show how we are favoured.
I didn’t do that, Klopp did, and I already said it was stupid to do so. My word.
You’re the one in here banging on about how many penalties we’ve had, not klopp
I disagree. Penalties are highly subjective. Economic data is not. The only solution is to look at each decision and see if they are correct. Man Utd could get 100 penalties a season and it would be proper of they were the correct decisions.
Ragspiracy!
United's blatant non-pens in the PL since the start of last season IMO:
5/20 I think that is? Not sure how that would stack up to other teams.
- James v Norwich
- Fernandes v Watford
- Fernandes v Villa
- Rashford v Newcastle
- Pogba v Villa
5/20 I think that is? Not sure how that would stack up to other teams.
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Stats are useful to analyze the game or in your ananoly business model, but never to create a fictional claim. Imagine a tinpot infotech on high street comparing its revenue with Apple's and claiming the world is unfair to them, that there is a huge conspiracy brewing to keep their revenue down.