Anyone else feeling ok after losing to City in the semi-final of the Carabao Cup?

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Lost in a semi to our city rivals and dont feel bad? Cannot understand how that is possible in my eyes.

Its made me miserable for not only the above, but merely a reality check to not get excited about winning the league this season. Its a reminder that the lack of elite mentality within the squad. Its a reminder at how tactically inept Ole is and generally how poor a coach he is.

He picks players to please them rather then for the betterment of the team. Examples include:

1)Martial has been poor this season yet is first choice. Greenwood should have been given alot of Martials minutes this season as a 9.

2) Pogba playing in a position to shoehorn him in over our second best performing player, whose output of goals and assists outshine Pogba by a great distance of the left.

3)Daniel James - nice lad, should not be starting or coming on for United. There is no argument around this, hes a shit footballer simples.

4) Magure/Lindeloff partnership. How can Tuanzebe get completely dropped after an incredible performance vs Neymar/Mbappe. Plays again after a few games and is poor and is completely dropped again. Give him a run FFS, his ceiling is hire then any other CB we have!!!!
And I can bet you them two start vs Liverpool next week and Bailley is on the bench.

So yea, I'm fuming
 

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Ruben Dias and Fernandinho had excellent games. That was the only difference. Neither their attackers nor ours stood out.

The clearance for the 2nd goal came from Wan Bissaka, not Martial.
It came from both. Martial took the first header on the near post, and did so really badly - he actually bent down slightly instead of rising to meet it, as a result of which he just deflected it on to Wan-Bissaka, who steered it out of the box, but couldn't get any power on it. If Martial had risen to meet it, he would have cleared it high over the sideline.
 

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Was fuming last night but I'm now excited for the Watford match and can't wait for the Burnley one too.

Short memory, maybe. If we lose one of the next two I will go berserk, until a few hours before the Liverpool match of course.
 

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I'm only bothered that we wasted an opportunity to rest Bruno, who clearly needs the rest. This is a cup clubs like United should use to bed in youngsters and give time to fringe players, not to prove that we've arrived as a club.
 

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Lost in a semi to our city rivals and dont feel bad? Cannot understand how that is possible in my eyes.

Its made me miserable for not only the above, but merely a reality check to not get excited about winning the league this season. Its a reminder that the lack of elite mentality within the squad. Its a reminder at how tactically inept Ole is and generally how poor a coach he is.

He picks players to please them rather then for the betterment of the team. Examples include:

1)Martial has been poor this season yet is first choice. Greenwood should have been given alot of Martials minutes this season as a 9.

2) Pogba playing in a position to shoehorn him in over our second best performing player, whose output of goals and assists outshine Pogba by a great distance of the left.

3)Daniel James - nice lad, should not be starting or coming on for United. There is no argument around this, hes a shit footballer simples.

4) Magure/Lindeloff partnership. How can Tuanzebe get completely dropped after an incredible performance vs Neymar/Mbappe. Plays again after a few games and is poor and is completely dropped again. Give him a run FFS, his ceiling is hire then any other CB we have!!!!
And I can bet you them two start vs Liverpool next week and Bailley is on the bench.

So yea, I'm fuming
I remember the days when we would be fuming we lost to city. I cant believe the replies In this thread .
 

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Lost in a semi to our city rivals and dont feel bad? Cannot understand how that is possible in my eyes.

Its made me miserable for not only the above, but merely a reality check to not get excited about winning the league this season. Its a reminder that the lack of elite mentality within the squad. Its a reminder at how tactically inept Ole is and generally how poor a coach he is.

He picks players to please them rather then for the betterment of the team. Examples include:

1)Martial has been poor this season yet is first choice. Greenwood should have been given alot of Martials minutes this season as a 9.

2) Pogba playing in a position to shoehorn him in over our second best performing player, whose output of goals and assists outshine Pogba by a great distance of the left.

3)Daniel James - nice lad, should not be starting or coming on for United. There is no argument around this, hes a shit footballer simples.

4) Magure/Lindeloff partnership. How can Tuanzebe get completely dropped after an incredible performance vs Neymar/Mbappe. Plays again after a few games and is poor and is completely dropped again. Give him a run FFS, his ceiling is hire then any other CB we have!!!!
And I can bet you them two start vs Liverpool next week and Bailley is on the bench.

So yea, I'm fuming
You know, just because the coach picks other players than you want, that doesn't mean either that he's a poor coach or that he is basing his decisions on favoritism. It's just that he has a different view than you about who is the best choice. It is even remotely possible that he may be right.
 

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I remember the days when we would be fuming we lost to city. I cant believe the replies In this thread .
Fuming's not the word. Truth be told, I was hardly capable of paying attention to the fact a coup was taking place in the US until I'd done a couple of rounds around the block to work off the worst of the steam. A hugely bitter pill to swallow, above all because it showed we're not yet everything I'd started hoping we were. But, when you sit down to write afterwards it's good to try to take a calm perspective, yeah?
 

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You know, just because the coach picks other players than you want, that doesn't mean either that he's a poor coach or that he is basing his decisions on favoritism. It's just that he has a different view than you about who is the best choice. It is even remotely possible that he may be right.
Now, I support the club, the team. Its not players who I want, but players who do not perform but are consistently given chances. Fergie dropped big players when it was best for the team.

Pogba wants to go, he isn't committed - he plays and he is forcing better performing players out of position. I want my team to be successful so I'd rather Rashford plays on the left and either Pogba puts some performances in centre mid or he can sit on the bench.
Martial is playing as our number 9 - he had been awful this season. Again, for the best of my team why not play a boy who, also hasn't had a good season - but he hasn't played anywhere near the same amount of games.
James - its clear to everyone he has a very low footballing I.Q, consistently makes the wrong decisions and fails to even maximise his strongest asset - his pace. So again, not due to players I want but actually rather play players who will make my team a better outfit.
 

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We were defensively sloppy, and City were not as much. Disappointing but let's focus on the league. A strong showing in the league is what I'd like to see now.
 

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Disappointing to lose another semi final, apart from that no complaints. City were the better team and had the bit between their teeth.

Before the match I actually thought we had a very good chance but I put on match of the day highlights beforehand of their match against Chelsea and quickly changed my mind.
 

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Now, I support the club, the team. Its not players who I want, but players who do not perform but are consistently given chances. Fergie dropped big players when it was best for the team.

Pogba wants to go, he isn't committed - he plays and he is forcing better performing players out of position. I want my team to be successful so I'd rather Rashford plays on the left and either Pogba puts some performances in centre mid or he can sit on the bench.
Martial is playing as our number 9 - he had been awful this season. Again, for the best of my team why not play a boy who, also hasn't had a good season - but he hasn't played anywhere near the same amount of games.
James - its clear to everyone he has a very low footballing I.Q, consistently makes the wrong decisions and fails to even maximise his strongest asset - his pace. So again, not due to players I want but actually rather play players who will make my team a better outfit.
What, you don't think the manager starts the players he thinks will make your team a better outfit?

What you have there is a different view from the manager. And you're so convinced you know better that you actually see that disagreement not as simply two different views about the same thing, but as proof that the manager is incompetent. And even as a basis for assuming he isn't even trying to field the team that is best for the club, preferring instead to please his players. As if raging cronyism was the only possible explanation why he'd make different choices than you.

It's fine to have your own views, but it's probably a good idea not to assume that everyone else is just an idiot for not seeing things your way.
 

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It’s hard to really care about City and it’s equally hard to care much about the league cup. It would have been nice to be in a final but, tbh, all I’m really bothered about is the fact we played our first XI. Again. And waited forever to make subs. Again.

Would have liked to see Rashford, Bruno and Maguire, at the very least, being rested. We took a gamble that wasn’t worth taking IMO... and it didn’t even pay off anyway.
 

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We played OK. City have a better team and a better manager - they deservedly beat us, it happens.
 

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Never like losing a game, but there is a modicum of comfort to be had in the knowledge that we were beaten by a better team.

It gives us an idea of where we're at and where we need to be.
I’m also encouraged by how much more of a go we give it compared to a couple years ago when it seemed like we were just camped in our box praying for a long ball to find one of our attackers. We pressed well and went toe to toe with them, it just so happened our attack wasn’t firing at all last night.

Still encouraged by the progress we have made, and more sure than ever where we are deficient
 

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Last year when we played Chelsea in semis of FA cup, lots of fans wanted that we play with B team because of league. In final tournament of Europa league fans wanted us to rest best players for NEXT season and play kids. Now people don't care about losing in semis of one cup and against rival.

Why do we even play all those cups then? We have FA cup now. After 2, max 3 games we will need to play with top teams there. And again debate will go; play the best players or rest the best players. And then next season the same, and season after that....i don't like mentality which is among fans at this moment.
 

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Only that it wasn't a league game. We should aim to win all trophies but can't whine about it forever. On to Watford
 

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I’m not annoyed because I was resigned to the likely outcome before the game. They have a better side, which was evident last night. They had nowhere near their strongest eleven out, we did. They are now finding their form, so last night did two things, it took away our best chance of winning a trophy and it confirmed that our recent euphoria is likely to come crashing down. We need to focus on the Europa League, which is our next best chance of silver ware.
 

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Never thought I’d say that after losing to City but I’ll take that defeat.

I’m looking at the opposition. City were fired up last night. A different team with a totally different approach in comparison to the team we played in the PL the other week.

Going on the performance and the level of opposition, it amazes me how we resort to slagging off our players. Ffs we’ve played far worse than that and won games before.

A reality check, nothing more
and time to kick on!
Deary me and there are people agreeing with this sentiment.

Imagine Fergie saying this to our squad after losing and feeling ok with that.

I agree that there's no need to lose our shit after every loss or draw and that its inevitable that results won't always go our way. However when you're in the semi-final of a competition, you always want to win it and that was evident by the lineup we put out yesterday. City have won this three years in a row, meanwhile we've just lost our fourth semi-final in a year, we should have been the team that were fired up not City.

Funny thing is a lot of people on this forum, particular the staunch Ole-in crowd have a lot to say about Pochettino and his mentality regarding trophies but your post is something that I'd expect to see on a Spurs forum and not a Manchester United one.
 

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Spot on! Wins give a champion mentality
Yep you don't have to feel bad about losing but binning cups is a loser's mentality. There's a reason it's the likes of City and Jose teams always getting to the finals of domestic cups in England and Spain while other contenders flash in and out. No trophies are beneath them. You don't build a winning mentality telling yourself your shortcomings don't matter. That's why Poch was considered a loser and we're quickly falling into that trap. You don't have to feel bad but don't say it's meaningless
 

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Every “big” team is losing games this season. The knack is to make sure to win the next game and go in a run. I don’t see the Carabao Cup as anything special so a loss to City is fairly easy to take...but United now NEED to win against Watford.
 

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It's a weird one.

Yes it is just the league cup, and yes City are a good team who can beat anyone on their day.

But then that's surely our biggest chance to win something. It's also a kick in the teeth to lose to them from poor set piece defending (again). And finally they had a boy in goal and no striker on the pitch!

It's good to see some calm, but once the league form dips...because it will (hopefully a short and sweet dip), it has for everyone at some point in this rushed season, I imagine this point in the season might be reflected on with a different perspective.
 

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One way of looking at it in a more positive way is that there's no way we could keep on winning without a stop. So this loss was something inevitable and at least it didnt happen in the PL. Focus on the premier league now, no more mickey mouse cup to distract us. PL & EL is the way to go.
 

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Me. It was actually a quite closed match which could go both ways, City was slightly better but not that much. The game was pretty even until the first goal. In a tight match like this who scores first usually win. Bruno was having a bad day so understandably we were pretty meh offensively. The lads did fought hard though and I like that. Tbh I don't give a shit about the EFL, it's like losing a friendly match to me.
 

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I’m upset but what calms me down is I think if we lost to Mourinho in the final I’d be fecking enraged. I can’t stand that man and his football.
 

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I really do not understand how any United fan could feel OK after this.
We were well beaten by City FFS!
In a Cup semi and don't give me that shit about it only being the league Cup.
You play these games to win. Just win not to lose or to perform well.
We are not winning anything with (a) this defence and (B) without a centre forward.
The defeat was bad enough but the sanguine acceptance of it is worse.
 

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Me, just a bit upset we are very sloppy pass especially Bruno. But this is acceptable winning premier league is more important.
 

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I'd rather lose this game over the christmas period then one of the league games...
This is where I'm at. Having said that, I am angry at how poor our strikers form is; that is the main reason we got beat imo not just here but in the CL against PSG too. Martial and Rashford need to wake the f up for if they find form, this could be a very good season.
 

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tbh i never thought we'd win the league so im not surprised. City and Liverpool still have better players and are more importantly, better coached in my opinion. Just shows how standards have dropped where i am happy enough with 3rd place. This is what Arsenal fans must have been like 5-8 years ago albeit 4th
 

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For me it has always been PL and the European cups that matter, including Europa League.

Probably this is because me not being British and it were the European stage nearly 3 decades ago where I discovered my love for Manchester United.

If anything this game has been kind of a reality check. While there are signs of improvement in certain areas talking about challenging for the title this year is just absurd in my books. We got really lucky with some of our results, no way this can last til the end of the season.
 

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Every “big” team is losing games this season. The knack is to make sure to win the next game and go in a run. I don’t see the Carabao Cup as anything special so a loss to City is fairly easy to take...but United now NEED to win against Watford.
Oh boy! :lol:

Watford > City ...love it
 

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I'm not expecting this team to win trophies until they actually win them, I still maintain they are serial bottlers until they do. This or the current league campaign is no exception. Win something then we'll talk.
 

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I'm not expecting this team to win trophies until they actually win them, I still maintain they are serial bottlers until they do. This or the current league campaign is no exception. Win something then we'll talk.

It's mainly because we have a serial bottler as a manager who after more than 10 years in the game has a blank CV
 

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I'm pretty over it now, as you say it's only the the league cup. But having said that, I was pretty rattled on Wednesday during and after the game as it felt like a massive opportunity to get passed the potential "mental barrier" we have once we reach a semi-final these days. We seem to freeze on the big stage, and this was a great way to prove we can get over that and take that next step. It wasn't to be, I suppose City were better than I expected them to be, but I still feel like they were there for the taking if we had played to our full potential. at least it would have been a closer scoreline.
 

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Every “big” team is losing games this season. The knack is to make sure to win the next game and go in a run. I don’t see the Carabao Cup as anything special so a loss to City is fairly easy to take...but United now NEED to win against Watford.
So winning against Watford in 3rd round of FA cup is a must win game but semi final against City was .....meh?
 

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One way of looking at it in a more positive way is that there's no way we could keep on winning without a stop. So this loss was something inevitable and at least it didnt happen in the PL. Focus on the premier league now, no more mickey mouse cup to distract us. PL & EL is the way to go.
Yep, my thoughts exactly.
The majority of this forum wanted us to play the reserves v Everton for the last round so its eye opening to me when the importance if the Carabao cup is suddenly pushed front and centre.
There is no worth in winning these cups this season, even the league will have an asterisk next to it.
 

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I'm mostly disappointed with that first goal. I thought we might have finally got rid of those kinds of defensive muck ups.

The league cup itself is a distant fourth on the priority list after the the PL, FA Cup and EL.