People knew there are 3 other games that got postponed in the league other than the City match right? Let's not act like Bluemoon shall we?
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It's a farce. Football should take a break and regroup. In sporting terms this is a travesty.
The funny side is that the season is being played mostly for the TV money. Now, probably the most interesting tie of the third round is ruined and few will watch it.
The funny side is that the season is being played mostly for the TV money. Now, probably the most interesting tie of the third round is ruined and few will watch it.
And different for Fulham, and different for Newcastle.
Obviously it's a plot intended to support clubs in London who play in white and have an English manager, clubs in Manchester with Spanish managers and clubs in the north-east with fat managers. No one else, though.
Alright smarty, now you’ve got your sarcasm out of the way, let’s deal with a couple of things:
1- I was interested in knowing what the actual process was; which was emphasised by the use of the words “seriously” and “genuinely” in my post. I’m not sure how, even after that, you still managed to think I was insinuating a conspiracy plot, but that has more to do with your reading skills than my writing skills, so we’ll move on.
2- Yes, different for Newcastle, City and Fulham. Cool. You may have noticed Aston Villa are going to have to play their youth team tomorrow instead of having their game postponed. Why is it different for Aston Villa? Can you actually answer that question?
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As much as people want to play smartarses, City definitely have a big enough squad to play if first teamers are in quarantine.
This is less true for Fulham and Newcastle but Fulham should have also lost their game because they cannot control their dumb players.
What is the point of having so-called rules and protocols if they're being applied selectively? What is the point of using resources that can be applied to people that genuinely need them when there's such disregard for the rules with no consequences?
These people are getting paid their millions whilst others are struggling for food and rent and stressing about it on a daily basis and they can't just stay at home for a year? feck them and honestly feck anyone that tries to excuse their reckless and selfish behaviour.
This is less true for Fulham and Newcastle but Fulham should have also lost their game because they cannot control their dumb players.
What is the point of having so-called rules and protocols if they're being applied selectively? What is the point of using resources that can be applied to people that genuinely need them when there's such disregard for the rules with no consequences?
These people are getting paid their millions whilst others are struggling for food and rent and stressing about it on a daily basis and they can't just stay at home for a year? feck them and honestly feck anyone that tries to excuse their reckless and selfish behaviour.
Can we play Everton instead?
ZREEE, ZREEE - only ZREE matches in ZREE daysWe've got Spurs next Wednesday btw.....at this rate Spurs will be playing 7 games in 7 days sometime in May.
The powers above really want Mourinho to prove himself as greatest ever manager by looks of it.
At this point in time we have more grounds to call that off and expect it to be played at later date than tomorrow's game.
Because the Fa cup has different rules to the league.
Simple as that.
Just read on twitter that Facundo Pellistri tested positive for Covid-19
It's behind a paywall, have they named the players involved?
The press haven't named them. Twitter has named some of them - based on Instagram photos etc.
From City, it looks like Lucy Bronze, Alex Greenwood and a couple of others were there. From Arsenal, Katie McCabe (Ireland Captain) and a couple of others. It's thought some United players were there as well - maybe including Katie Zelem.
Presumably a sponsor picked up the tab. It hasn't gone down well with fans, or with other players.
Stupid thing to do.
I’m pretty sure there were games in the league that went ahead where there were a significant number of cases for example Sheffield United’s game the same midweek as City’s that got postponed. There were a few others as well that I can’t remember at the moment.
That's not the point.
Fulham being forced to postpone the match isn't the same scenario.
Still not sure why so many fail to understand why postponing the City match is problematic ref the implemented rules.
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FF is a different game altogether this season!
You're not looking at the full situation.
Sheff Utd only had a couple of players affected. City also had a couple of players affected for a game that was played.
It was their next game when they had a bigger problem, and the timing of the tests due to be taken was too close to the next kick off time and thus the risk was too big to play.
I hate City but people are getting hung up on the fact it was City.
City have had 1 game called off. Fulham have had 2 so far. Why aren't people raging at Fulham? Answer - because they're not our big rivals/next door neighbours.
How is it problematic? They had a fair number of positive tests as it was and they had to test everyone else - which couldn't be done far enough away from their next kick off time for it not to be a huge risk.
They were playing Everton who had just played 48hours before, with a number of their players injured, and Ancelotti saying he'd rotate heavily.
Not sure why City would want the game off!
Managing Covid-19 within the squads is effectively a new part of a football clubs role. Touch wood, United appear to be doing a terrific job so far in managing the players and staff.
The Villa v Liverpool FA Cup game tonight does however show how farcical things gave got, when one teams entire first team and management are unable to attend the match, yet still a so called important competition continues. How can anyone take this too seriously this season when Liverpool have gone from being handed one of the toughest draws they could get to effectively receiving a bye to round 4. It just feels all wrong to me.
The Villa v Liverpool FA Cup game tonight does however show how farcical things gave got, when one teams entire first team and management are unable to attend the match, yet still a so called important competition continues. How can anyone take this too seriously this season when Liverpool have gone from being handed one of the toughest draws they could get to effectively receiving a bye to round 4. It just feels all wrong to me.
I'm somewhat confused as to your claims....They retested everyone after the match against Newcastle, they received the test results on monday morning and had enough negative tests to play the match against Everton monday evening.
However, since they had an increase in positive tests between friday and monday (2 players on friday, 3 players on monday), an argument was made that they had an uncontrolled spread of the virus and that more players could possibly have it even though they tested negative, and you then introduce the added risk of infecting more players.
The problem with this argument is that it goes against everything that was agreed in order to restart football. You are negative as long as you test negative, positive when you test positive, that's it. If you start with the assumption that everyone that tests negative might have the virus and be a risk in terms of infecting others, well....Furthermore, restarting first team training less than 48 hours later just undermines how daft the whole thing is. If they were really worried about an uncontrolled spread and that players were testing negative while having the virus, well feck me sideways there's still a theoretical risk for that 48 hours later...To make it even funnier, Scott Carson was one of 3 that tested positive a week later. Which means you can easily still claim that there's an uncontrolled spread at the club, yet suddenly no one is concerned any longer. It's a farce
Sheffield could make the same argument with their increase in positive results, West Ham, etc etc etc. Any single club that has a sudden increase in positive test can make the medical claim that there's now an uncontrolled spread at the club and the Premier League can't do anything but postpone the match. The entire point is that postponing the match should only happen when there's an extra circumstance, in Fulhams case they had positive tests and on matchday there were players starting to show symptoms, and so far they've had to postpone two matches, it's a wise decision. If you have a serious concern that there's an uncontrolled spread, you sure as shit isn't returning to full training less than 48 hours later.
Clubs accepted the rules, even though they are miles from being perfect. If every club does what City did when there's an increase in positive tests, which they sure as shit can in terms of medical advice, then this season is a write off.
If Rashford, Bruno and someone else tests positive after the Burnley match, everyone else tests negative, there's still the possibility that others are infected with different incubation time, and that we have an uncontrolled spread. Should we follow what was agreed, we have enough players that have tested negative so we play, or do we do a city
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Teams in the premier league will have to start fielding U23 players who are Covid negative to fill teams out or there won't be enough fixture space to finish the season.
The teams and league can sort the protocols to keep it all going, just need use their heads to get around the problems.
I see that dyche has come out and said that footballers should be fast tracked for vaccinations and would save on constantly testing players.
Can't say I agree with him when quite a lot of footballers are blatantly ignoring the covid restrictions despite all the luxuries that being a footballer affords them unlike those that are vulnerable and living in poverty.
Can't say I agree with him when quite a lot of footballers are blatantly ignoring the covid restrictions despite all the luxuries that being a footballer affords them unlike those that are vulnerable and living in poverty.
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Or it reflects how clubs are incompetent.
2- Villa don't want a postponement apparently. Shrewsbury vs Southampton was called off because of Shrewsbury's outbreak. This seems to be the only one going ahead. https://www.skysports.com/football/...-ahead-after-covid-outbreak-among-villa-squad Theres nothing in the article to back it up bar the headline weirdly actually so who knows.
Probably not smart to vocalise it but people with money were always going to get the vaccine first anyway.
Regardless of them ignoring restrictions, there's no evidence to say for certain that taking the vaccine means they can't catch covid. I get what he's trying to say, but I'm not sure there's much logic behind it when looking at the practicalities.
Our Pellistri has Covid..
Issue is even if they do a circuit breaker for the PL, can you trust the players given we’ve seen evidence of a lot of them not following the rules? There will be cases that we won’t know about of those breaking rules and not getting caught too.
Who’s to say that a week or two of a circuit break that all the players will abide by the rules? All it takes is one numnut to break it on the Eve of it finishing and then it’ll start grumbling up again.
That being said - it’ll probably produce less numbers than what’s happening at the moment.
I want football to continue as it’s one of the very few “exits” I have from the intensity of work at the moment. Unfortunately, it’s inevitable that a break will be needed now.
Who’s to say that a week or two of a circuit break that all the players will abide by the rules? All it takes is one numnut to break it on the Eve of it finishing and then it’ll start grumbling up again.
That being said - it’ll probably produce less numbers than what’s happening at the moment.
I want football to continue as it’s one of the very few “exits” I have from the intensity of work at the moment. Unfortunately, it’s inevitable that a break will be needed now.
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End the league now and award the PL title according to points per game. It's the only safe way to deal with football in this pandemic.
| Position | Team | P | Pts | PPG |
1 | Manchester United | 16 | 33 | 2.0625 |
2 | Liverpool | 17 | 33 | 1.941176 |
3 | Manchester City | 15 | 29 | 1.933333 |
4 | Leicester | 17 | 32 | 1.882353 |
5 | Tottenham | 16 | 29 | 1.8125 |
6 | Everton | 16 | 29 | 1.8125 |
7 | Aston Villa | 15 | 26 | 1.733333 |
8 | Southampton | 17 | 29 | 1.705882 |
9 | Chelsea | 17 | 26 | 1.529412 |
10 | West Ham | 17 | 26 | 1.529412 |
11 | Arsenal | 17 | 23 | 1.352941 |
12 | Leeds | 17 | 23 | 1.352941 |
13 | Wolverhampton Wanderers | 17 | 22 | 1.294118 |
14 | Crystal Palace | 17 | 22 | 1.294118 |
15 | Newcastle United | 16 | 19 | 1.1875 |
16 | Burnley | 15 | 16 | 1.066667 |
17 | Brighton | 17 | 14 | 0.823529 |
18 | Fulham | 15 | 11 | 0.733333 |
19 | West Bromwich Albion | 17 | 8 | 0.470588 |
20 | Sheffield United | 17 | 2 | 0.117647 |
It's irresponsible to not do this, I don't know what they're waiting for.
Stop the count!
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Should still have enough players available for Spurs on Wednesday then if no one else tests positive but I'm guessing it will get called off regardless.
This is becoming farcical now. Sack of Nations League/Euro crap and give the game the 2/3 week break it clearly needs. National lockdown should hopefully mean that by that point transmission rates will have dipped significantly.
I want to see football as much as anyone, but these are people who have families and elderly relatives to return to like everyone else. Although the players are likely to be less effected by the virus than most, this is becoming a pretty grim sight - the authorities demanding football continue despite the health crisis we're currently in. It may even encourage people to take the lockdown more seriously.
I want to see football as much as anyone, but these are people who have families and elderly relatives to return to like everyone else. Although the players are likely to be less effected by the virus than most, this is becoming a pretty grim sight - the authorities demanding football continue despite the health crisis we're currently in. It may even encourage people to take the lockdown more seriously.
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Football locking down will encourage people to take the lockdown more seriously ?
And I’d strongly suggest that footballers should not be meeting their elderly family members regardless of whether the sport is ongoing or not. Should not be mixing households unless urgent.
Or alternatively it suddenly gives already bored and fed up people with even more time to spare which in many cases won't be a good thing. Not to mention there's probably numerous player's that want/need to carry on for their own mental health.
The reason literally everything shut last time is because there wasn't the capacity to test and the whole thing was new so we played extra safe. Now the capacity to test is here and things have been operating under Covid guidelines for months it makes sense to keep some cogs turning. It isn't just football that's carrying on this time, TV production will also carry on as you were to name another example.
Villa need punishment then. There's absolutely no way their covid measures are stringent enough if one infection can cause 10.
So Aston Villa want to go ahead and play the u23s, but Pep said City can't do that, request a postponement, and the FA approved it, breaking the 14-man rule that set by itself.