He didn’t say it, your version is the correct version
Gary Neville - Pundit
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certainly not at the time. He watched the replay a dozen times (my estimate), and every time he said he didn’t get the ball. If he just criticised the follow through, then fair enough. But I can’t fathom why he could see that Shaw got the ball.
I didn't say anything about being upset with him. I think the whole him loving or not loving United is rubbish . Just as a commentator though it was a truly bizzarre description of a situation. I don't see how getting the ball in a tackle can mean anything else than touching the ball .
All I picked up on was he didn't touch the ball, must have missed that bit
He kept on saying the follow though with the studs and how he caught him.
The funny thing on this is you can argue that Shaw touching the ball is immaterial to the actual decision.
Exactly the obvious explanation for that was that he gets the ball first but his follow through can be deemed dangerous and he could have been sent off . No idea what GNev was on about
was beginning to doubt myself, especially with the quotation marks
He was talking through his arse tonight on Sky. Luke Shaw clearly got the ball first, so never a foul, let alone a yellow card and definitely not a red card that the VAR review check was for.
I actually thought shaw was lucky, even though he touched the ball.
If it was the other way round I'd be screaming for a red tbh, won't lie.
To me it's either a clean tackle and got the ball, or the follow through I'd that bad it's a red.
you can. Which is why is was weird. I was shouting at the tv “he got the bloody ball”, that’s not to say it wasn’t a foul.
Hate it whenever he's commentating on United games
Sadly I think you need to catch up to the 21st century buddy, it’s definitely a yellow, would of been furious if it was a red but seen them given
Not only did he not spot Shaw making contact with the ball but he then made a bigger deal about the follow through. He was fecking useless tonight.
He initially said Brady was a yellow at best. Then back tracked after a number of replays. I mean how he could even have come to that conclusion originally was baffling.
Whoops, my bad. Carry on.
The follow through was what got him booked so he was right ?
Needs to not commentate our games. He’s clearly going above & beyond to prove he’s unbiased, to the point where he’s going too far the other way.
His exact words were:
"He'll be booked at best. Harry Maguire wants a red."
The problem is that you hear the words "at best" with a United bias and think that means "at worst".
Knew it
Fuchen hell
He didn't see Shaw touch the ball and thought he was going to be sent off. Didn't believe Brady should have been dismissed. He thought Bailly was going to be in trouble for throwing someone to the ground in a nothing incident. Felt that Maguire was going to give a penalty away for handball.
His love for us clouds his judgement. It's ok for me to say nonsensical things in the heat of the moment, but it isn't for him. Not his fault as emotion does that to you, however it comprimises the quality of his work and he therefore shouldn't commentate on our games.
His love for us clouds his judgement. It's ok for me to say nonsensical things in the heat of the moment, but it isn't for him. Not his fault as emotion does that to you, however it comprimises the quality of his work and he therefore shouldn't commentate on our games.
He was saying that at the start of the 2nd half when we were 0-0 and playing krap
One thing Gary hasn't got is a Crystal Ball, so at that time in the game, for him to say that OGS was happy with the state of play he must be a muppet, we needed a win and eventually got it...just
He kept repeating that Shaw hadn't made contact with the ball - he had - and that he'd raised his foot unnaturally - he hadn't. So no, he wasn't even close to being right.
Complete try hard lately.
Love his analysis generally but tonight was embarassing.
Love his analysis generally but tonight was embarassing.
I really can’t stand him commentating on our games. Just seems to do everything he can to appear neutral without even realising how much rubbish he’s talking. How has he not gone in harder on the ref for that Maguire header, that’s one of the most ridiculous decisions I’ve seen all season and he’s coming out with “I’d be glad If I got away with it as the defender” come on.
I agree it’s actually quite clearly a conflict of interest and clouds his quality as a commentator .
Gary Neville the man, and Gary Neville the Sky Sports employee are two very different people.
Carragher is the same, completed his anger management course but I'd still want a muzzle on him anywhere near my family
Carragher is the same, completed his anger management course but I'd still want a muzzle on him anywhere near my family
haha, when you put it that way hard to argue. I saw it from a United viewpoint as “yellow at best” meaning yellow at best for us. Had he not subsequently rambled incorrectly on about Shaws tackle I might have processed it better.
Gary looks like he is giving a hatespeech against United just for the sake of it.
I don't like his commentary but he very obviously still loves United, I think they could do with partnering him with someone else to be honest, him and Tyler are very stale.
He actually said both managers will be happy with that decision for Shaw / Brady incident .
Tyler has been stale for years .
He can’t be too far off retirement .
Neville has a thing about if he says something, even if replays show the opposite (but isn't insanely obviously but clear enough) he will not admit he was wrong on his first call. He does it all the time! If his point was Shaw follows through, sure, it's certainly debatable. If he said Shaw didn't touch the ball and on replays changed his mind, again understandable. He re-watched it multiple times and insisted Shaw didn't win the ball. It's especially bad when you can see the ball increase its speed of rotation as Shaw touches it. How does the rotation accelerate without any additional force applied?
Really can't stand him TBH. Very self righteous, high and mighty type. His arrogance irks me.
Really can't stand him TBH. Very self righteous, high and mighty type. His arrogance irks me.
He definitely does this. Even when be picks Pogba as his "player to watch" becuase he wants to see the Paul Pogba we know, it's clearly becuase he otherwise comes across as extremely bitter towards the player and is trying to show his balance, if anything.
But generally I don't take Neville seriously. He's a good orator with his main flaw being his stance on managers. Today, I have no idea how he saw that as a red for Shaw. If you slow things down and focus only on an image , sure but that shows an ignorance of the actual challenge which was nothing.
Infuriated me with the Shaw incident as others have said. The fact he saw multiple replays and still claimed Shaw hadn't touched the ball was bizarre. Never liked him as a co-commentator but hate him on United matches especially.
Totally agree. It was Bizarre, he almost intentionally wanted to push that it was a potential red card and kept saying he missed the ball - wtf??
He wound me up no end tonight. He was an idiot the whole match.
He's trying so hard to across impartial, so transparent. Better sticking to game analysis, it was a good game and he made it dull.
I really can't stand his commentary for United games, I get he does it for the sake of his career as a super duper neutral pundit but when you add to the mix that he most certainly will have emotional investment in the team's performance it makes for some really weird observations that compromises the quality of his work. Shaw clearly got the ball going in to a 50/50 and after seeing the replay in slow motion 5+ times he does his weird doubling down schtick by repeating it over and over again, while the technicality of the subsequent situation of Cavani getting cynically chopped down by the last man in a goal scoring opportunity during the same phase of play goes almost ignored. Maguire has a perfectly legit goal chalked off, Gary's conclusion after watching the replays showing Maguire jumping early and high - not gaining any leverage from the action of his hands - is: "maybe it's the hands" "well I'd be happy as the defender and angry as the attacker". Uwot? It takes Jamie fecking Redknapp at half time back in the Sky studio to come out and say that the decision was a mistake. His constant negative slants on nothing situations and silence in important ones is really taxing when you're trying to enjoy the game.
I think thats the issue, hes trying to be non biased rather than being non biased.
I get it, he wants to be professional but it clouds his judgment and comments.
Its not just him, ive seen (heard) Carragher do this at times with Liverpool games (its funny as a non fan of the team, but its bizarre if youre watching an incident and numerous replays and hes just making a point to show 'look how balanced I am' but is completely missing the obvious and not being called out by his co-commentator.
I think Neville is great as a pundit, hes funny on twitter, but thats probably because he allows himself time to compose himself.
That tweet with him humming 'gary neville is a red' is quality stuff.
On commentary its the complete opposite and a bit OTT. Im guessing non United fan probably like it.
Saying that, with Tyler hes not good. He commentates better with one of the other Sky commentators (cant remember his name)