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I've been having a great time on my right wing Dutch forum asking people why they're so upset Twitter has so much power.

Usually they all applaud Trump for this record level of regulation cuts. No more red tape for honest capitalist entrepeneurs who are realizing their American dream. No more big government. A baker should be able to deny service to a gay couple, because that is their God given right as a business owner. So why is this different?

The first argument is usually FREEDUM OF SPEECH. Yes, that's between the government and its people and while Jack and Mark are very rich, they're neither a nation nor a government.
The second is usually, it should be classed as a utility company, because they have a lot of power! Ok, but they're not and this effectively means you want more government control. So you are a bit of a socialist? I voted for the Socialist party in the last election, welcome aboard comrade! (this angers them greatly)
After that it's usually, stuff like you brainwashed MSM communist traitor, tell me where you live and you can say it to my face.

I usually end it with Facts don't care about your feelings.

I'm so edgy, I know.

As I'm not that versed in American politics, I'd like to know, a libertarian should be in support of Twitter having absolute control of who says what on their platform right?
I mean I guess. The Libertarian platform is a hot mess, On "principle" I guess it can be boiled down to "do whatever you want, just try not to break stuff or hurt others"
 

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I mean I guess. The Libertarian platform is a hot mess, On "principle" I guess it can be boiled down to "do whatever you want, just try not to break stuff or hurt others"
I always imagine a libertarian to be like a 6 year old screaming at his parents to stop telling them what to do.
 

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I always imagine a libertarian to be like a 6 year old screaming at his parents to stop telling them what to do.
I had a brief stint as a libertarian in college as a way to gently break it to my Reagan loving father that I was not going to ever be a republican.
 

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I mean I guess. The Libertarian platform is a hot mess, On "principle" I guess it can be boiled down to "do whatever you want, just try not to break stuff or hurt others"
Libertarianism only works in a vacuum. And barely then.
 

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I always imagine a libertarian to be like a 6 year old screaming at his parents to stop telling them what to do.
Yep, same here.

We live in strange and dangerous times (perhaps that has always been true, from a certain perspective - but we're looking at a planet going to hell fast in terms that are undeniable to anyone but people who positively ignore/deny science) - feckin' "libertarians" have very little going for them at the moment.
 

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Anarchism is a million times more feasible (and ethical) than Libertarianism.
It's really that far out? Jaysus.

Am I the only one on here who thinks Trump currently must be under investigation by the FBI and that he and a bunch of people around him (Giuliani, Don Jr among others) will be charged with instigating an insurrection/riot in the near future? There's no doubt the Jan 6th wouldn't have happened without him.
 

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It's really that far out? Jaysus.

Am I the only one on here who thinks Trump currently must be under investigation by the FBI and that he and a bunch of people around him (Giuliani, Don Jr among others) will be charged with instigating an insurrection/riot in the near future? There's no doubt the Jan 6th wouldn't have happened without him.
No, they are definitely looking at Giuliani. He failed in the courts and suggested "trial by combat" minuted before the assault on the Capitol.
 

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There were a few very similar statements from the orange menace as well. He was just a cnut hair away from telling them to burn down Congress and execute Pence.
I don't disagree but as always with that clown his statements are constructed to push the limits of what's acceptable without tipping over into liability.
 

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As I'm not that versed in American politics, I'd like to know, a libertarian should be in support of Twitter having absolute control of who says what on their platform right?
yes.
i've posted this probably 100 times in different threads here, but i love it so posting it again: http://mattbruenig.com/2018/02/16/trump-nlrb-smashed-google-guy/
it was a conflict between property rights and free speech, and trump's republicans support property rights.

this is another favourite blog, it's not directly about free speech, but lots of examples of how employer rights destroy free expression: https://crookedtimber.org/2012/07/01/let-it-bleed-libertarianism-and-the-workplace/

a twitter thread about the exact topic:

 
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I don't disagree but as always with that clown his statements are constructed to push the limits of what's acceptable without tipping over into liability.
I just can't see how he's going to get away with this one, he's gone too far. He used to move around in a bit of a murky water, with the Ukraine case and dodgy Russians and all that. This time he's the de facto leader of a violent movement which on his orders moved to "stop the steal", probably with an aim to kill a bunch of Congress members and somehow keep him in office.
 

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He failed in the courts and suggested "trial by combat" minuted before the assault on the Capitol.
Not about Rudy, exclusively, but - the generally frivolous nature of those lawsuits should be looked at closely.

Shouting wildly about election fraud outside the courtrooms, bringing in random MAGA halfwits to "testify" in "hearings" - but stopping short of claiming fraud where it actually mattered (because they knew they had nothing)...that utter nonsense shouldn't pass without an aftermath of some kind.

And yeah - Rudy himself should get his ass kicked in some shape or form regardless. Of course he contributed to the shameful Capitol events. He blatantly encouraged misinformed feckwits who went on to become de facto terrorists. That really isn't a far fetched take on it: he told 'em to engage in combat, literally speaking.
 

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GOP did from 80-92. Did you mean more than 3 consecutive terms?
Yes, but it slipped my mind because as @WI_Red said, Dukakis got tanked and it was an oversight on my part. My original point stands that one political party rarely holds control of the Executive branch for more than 8 consecutive years (two terms). It's very rare and even if the GOP is a shell of itself from 10 to 15 years ago, a 'viable' Presidential candidate will arise in the next 10 years.
 

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I just can't see how he's going to get away with this one, he's gone too far. He used to move around in a bit of a murky water, with the Ukraine case and dodgy Russians and all that. This time he's the de facto leader of a violent movement which on his orders moved to "stop the steal", probably with an aim to kill a bunch of Congress members and somehow keep him in office.
It would be delicious if they somehow brought a RICO case against Trump and his acolytes.
 

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Is the right's version of anarchism?
It's not really capitalism. Ultimate libertarianism essentially reduces the state to law enforcement, justice, and military. Everything else would be private. This is known as the 'night-watchman state' (or minarchy; link).

Anarchism is a million times more feasible (and ethical) than Libertarianism.
Absolutely - although there are many variants of anarchy as well. One of them is anarcho-capitalism, where even those last bits remaining in the night-watchman state are private. Some libertarians see that as the end-goal, actually, but I think they're probably a small minority. Not my favorite type of anarchy.
 

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It's not really capitalism. Ultimate libertarianism essentially reduces the state to law enforcement, justice, and military. Everything else would be private. This is known as the 'night-watchman state' (or minarchy; link).


Absolutely - although there are many variants of anarchy as well. One of them is anarcho-capitalism, where even those last bits remaining in the night-watchman state are private. Some libertarians see that as the end-goal, actually, but I think they're probably a small minority. Not my favorite type of anarchy.
To be clear, anarcho-capitalism is not a form of anarchism. Anarchism is inherently anti-capitalistic. The terms are definitely confusing, and it doesn't help that Libertarianism used to be another word for anarchism, before it was co-opted by the right (a bit like how the Nazis were "National socialists")
 

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10 GOP voted with Dems too. Most bipartisan impeachment in history!
 
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