Why would Pogba want to leave United now?

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I don't believe Raiola went on his own tangent. Pogba has still kept us tied with him despite the fact that he has abused the club. Furthermore, Pogba isn't worth 350 k a week. If he signs a new contract, he will want even more than that.
 

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It was a ploy for an improved contractual offer. He's been looking for one for about a year and a half now.
 

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Raiola would be the reason. As good as Haaland is I don't think once Pogba moves on that United should deal with another Raiola player.
 

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Almost guaranteed CL football and more league titles, that's according to history of other leagues.

Look at how poor Madrid were after Zidane left but still ended up third, United with a very similar record ended up 6th.

United may be on to a good thing but Paul has been here for 5 years and he has to move before he gets too old to one of these likely there or thereabouts teams in mainland Europe that don't have oil money adding to the competition for CL places.

It could go wrong at his new club but it's a gamble to stay at United, we've struggled to keep up for seven years and a billion spent.
 

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Because we're still hugely likely to finish this season trophyless, despite the positivity. That's one more year of his prime with nothing to show for it.
 

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Why he would want to leave? Why dealing with hatred, its all always his fackery even when its not. Section of United fans cant stand his gut, without going into some other aspects.
 

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If we win the title, I can see him staying and agreeing to a contract extension. As much as I hated the drama he seem to have caused, I think Pogba was genuinely as frustrated as the supporters that we couldn’t build a legitimately title winning/contending team. This is probably the first time he’s looking at a good squad with genuine world class talent. Remember that he started his first game playing alongside Fellaini. Really nothing more to be said after that.
 

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Barcelona, Real Madrid and Juventus would be a downgrade from United right now tbf. As TS mentioned they’re all in need of a major rebuild with money they don’t have.

PSG could be interesting for Paul for a lot of reasons. Going Home, play for the best team in france and possibly win some trophys.

All depends on how it goes this season and possibly next (if he stays) imo.If United can make a serious title race this season and win EL for example then I think he stays. But one more trophyless season and I think he’s gone.
 

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United fans need to understand that this staying ‘for the next 10 years’ is mot an obligation for a player, and wanting to leave a club is not necessarily a slight or an insult. Just because Scholes and Neville were happy to spend their entire careers doing the exact same thing over and over again doesn’t make it necessarily the norm.

My guess is Pogba wants to experience something new. Yes, he could commit to United ‘for the rest of his career’, as we seem to want for most good young players - but a footballers career is short and that would deprive them of opportunity to try things.

Totally guessing, but I reckon Pogba felt he had won what he wanted to win at Juve, and now wanted to come and win the PL at United, which he missed out on with his departure. He probably thought he could do that in a few years, and then go and try his hand in La Liga. Of course, it hasn’t happened so far, but at a point you may decided it isn’t going to happen and you won’t spend the rest of your career trying and just move to the next phase.

I mean, why would Thiago want to leave Bayern? Are they not a strong team? Why does Alaba want to leave? I think there are some players who want to try as many things as they can in their career. Perhaps he’d want to go to Spain and then still have some time left for the US after even.
I'm on this side of the argument. I don't mind refreshing a squad every few years, or it risks going stale. 5 years sounds right to me to give to a club, apart from those one-club men. If I ran a club, I would be conscious to move on players at the right time, and replace them properly with players I've been watching a while. Let's not be blinded by a few good games. This is the right time to move Pogba on. For everyone's good.
 

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The only way he is staying is if we give him loads of money, a lot more than we are giving him now and give his agent some as well.

I don't think it is worth it.
 

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He will go to Juve in a deal which will see them pay 2 million per year to us for the next 20 years or something like that.
He might also go to PSG and they might need a star player if Neymar/Mbappe don’t stay.
Surely Juve can't have him there as long as they have Ronaldo. He's taking up so much money. Maybe PSG if Neymar goes, yeah. Not sure how hot he is on going there, though. Since this pandemic hit, I just can't see him moving. Could be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him stay here for another season or two.
 

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Why?

Because he's done it before.

If you've done it once, it's easier to do it again, for what ever reasons you can conjur up.

Yes yes, he wanted more gameplay when he left the first time, yes yes, he's not happy now....yadda yadda, i don't like the city.... whatever.

He'll do it again.
 

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Take Riola out if the mix, he's just vile, and I honestly have a some sympathy for Pogba.

He came with a huge price tag and early on showed good signs. I believe statistically he was very good. However we weren't and he became the focus of attention. From media to fans he should have single handedly won us stuff.

Likes of kDB haven't lead City to the promise land but the excuses were "oh Kompany" etc. Yet we have McT and Fred and Lingard and Pereira. Some of who can do a job but they are not Sterling, Aguerro, Sane, Jesus etc.

Even the whole Riola thing hasbdrawn so much attention yet look over at Liverpool and Salah has said pretty much the same thing in recent times and isn't Weijnauldum (sp) not signing? How is no one placing LFC lackmof form on this?

Even usnfans over analyse Pogba. He holds on to the ball too long, passes not at feet of players etc yet pogba was good when Zlatan was here. So maybe it's martial rashford and greenwood who are the problem? Or lack of movement. I mean just look at Cavanis energy and movement.

My point isn't to say Pogba is blameless or the best in the world etc but just think there is way too much attention and criticism on the guy. Some of it OTT. In my opinion
 

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Never heard anything about not liking Manchester. Lazy arsed cliche put about by people who have never been

Selling him while his stock is high is well and good if the Glazers reinvest. They won’t.

Despite his history, if he is happy to stay and continues this form,probably better to keep him. A nice side effect would piss off his agent
 

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Pogba is a selfish person and I dont mean that in a bad way. He is wired that way. His only concern is for himself and is not really a team player. The only time he is is with France and they are the best national team in the world and if they werent he cant ask for a move somewhere else.
 

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people need to understand that Raiola acts on behalf of his clients. Think of him whatever you want (I can't stand his guts either), but he won't do our say things his clients disagree with. So that whole "take Raiola out of the picture" stuff just makes no sense at all.
 

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If he stays it’ll be for the same reason De Gea is still here.
 

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Yeah he came back so he can’t hate it that much, even has a touch of Mancunian in his accent.
Yeah.
He loves manchester. Spent alot of time here. He knew exactly what he was doing when he returned from Juve.

You seen his house in Hale barns aswell?
He was the first to help Bruno look at properties when he signed.

I used to watch him play at moss Lane and he looked so happy mingling with all the local lads.

I think he will stay. Ive always said he is happy at the club given he plays enough.
 

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He could quite easily still go to Madrid despite their financial issues. It is expected that this summer will see more "loans with obligations to buy" as a means of clubs getting players in and out and deferring payments till the summer of 2022 and onwards. The idea being that fans should be back in the stadiums next season and the revenue should start to come back to the clubs.

I can see Utd selling Pogba on a "loan with obligation to buy" as that might be the only way we get a transfer fee for him. Works for all parties involved. Pogba gets his move. Madrid get the player. Utd get a fee (eventually).

In Utds favour would be their ability to amouritise the fee from summer of 2021 onwards on their finances and that would allow Utd to spend money (on paper) that summer on a replacement for Pogba without falling foul of FFP (as dead as it is as a concept, Utd are still a listed company).
 

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It depends on him really. I think staying is better for him personally, but it's up to him. All will be clear in summer anyway, this won't be delayed any longer since next year is his last one. Either he leaves in summer or will renew his contract. At the moment, all the focus should be on our title challenge.
 

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Hes just a player. I really have never understood why the default position for so many of our fans is 'what can WE do for Pogba?' 'How can WE make Pogba happy?' 'Are WE good enough for Pogba?'

Screw that. The question is whether Pogba has done enough to earn a new contract with this club, and the correct answer is no, not yet. These last few performances are of the type that we should have been expecting on a regular basis from him. Not just when it suits. Not just when there is a title potentially on the horizon, or when he is at a point in his contract where its renew or sell.

Keep this level up for the rest of the season and he should get his contract, and the adoration of all of our fanbase. Otherwise, still sell him IMO
 

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I do not see a Roy Keane in Pogba or a Paul Scholes. Heck, I will probably be slaughtered for this on here, but I do not even see a JSP level determination and drive from Paul. If the money is reinvested, then I am not against of selling him.
 

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I can see him signing a new contract, the board will look at his performances and think he is worth offering a new contract and I genuinely believe he is not toxic in and around the team like some media outlets have tried to paint it and who has 60-80 million for him during a time when all leagues around europe we will coming off the back of a full season of barely having any revenue from spectators in their stadiums, hell even madrid are acting tight fisted with transfers and contracts.
 

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He strikes me as someone who wants to be loved, and it’s clear he’s never going to be loved by the majority of the fans. He just rubs a lot the wrong way regardless of how he’s playing.
 

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Probably the most villified player that i've seen play at the club. Genuine hate against him has been spewed by our own fans towards him (which includes this forum) after the Mourinho fiasco where he turned the fans against him. But credit to Solskjaer who has displayed incredible man management skills to get the best out of Pogba and proved that he infact is one of his most important players and a extremely popular team mate in the dressing room.
I’m sorry to say this because I wish it wasn’t the case, but I think his race plays a part in why he’s so hated by a portion of fans. Yes he’s asked to leave, but so did Rooney. I think because he’s a confident flashy black lad who comes across a bit arrogant it really rubs some of the “top red” types the wrong way. I guarantee if he was white he would not receive the same level of hate. He’d get some, but nowhere near as much.
 

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I heard that on a podcast but I’ve also heard he actually really likes Manchester and he’s spent a lot of his time here so it would be weird if he didn’t have an attachment to it by now.
Ive seen him literally speak about how Manchester is his city during events outside of Manchester United business. I have no doubt he actually likes it in Manchester, he just wants to win trophies and we've been far away from that recently.
 

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I’m sorry to say this because I wish it wasn’t the case, but I think his race plays a part in why he’s so hated by a portion of fans. Yes he’s asked to leave, but so did Rooney. I think because he’s a confident flashy black lad who comes across a bit arrogant it really rubs some of the “top red” types the wrong way. I guarantee if he was white he would not receive the same level of hate. He’d get some, but nowhere near as much.
Absolutely not the case. Race has nothing to do with it. Its the expectations that he isnt living up to with his undoubted talent. Its his talent being wasted that annoys us all. He has all the ability in the world to be a utterly dominate, unplayable midfielder but he doesnt rise to the levels we all think he could. Also of he did the basics better he'd probably get less stick, i.e. tracking his runner. Upping his workrate and breaking his neck to get back and help his defence. Just stuff like that. Absolutely nothing to do with race.
 

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Cause the fan base is full of cnuts that sit on their arse watching games or typing on forums yet want to judge a man who’s done more for the club than we could all dream of.

The lads poor performances are scrutinised to a point of lunacy while other average players are lauded for the 1 in 10 times they show up where as his best performances are somehow down to everything other than the guys undeniable talent.

That being said, the concept that some boy from France should want to spend his entire career at Manchester United is ridiculous. Ronaldo didn’t, Paul Ince didn’t, Cantona retired with loads in the bank, Schmiechel left when he could have stayed on. He’s been criticised for not holding the club in the same regard as fanatics on this forum which is the height of idiocy.

Go into any Pogba thread & the same cretins are talking about how he thinks as if they’ve spoken to him personally.
I’m sorry to say this because I wish it wasn’t the case, but I think his race plays a part in why he’s so hated by a portion of fans. Yes he’s asked to leave, but so did Rooney. I think because he’s a confident flashy black lad who comes across a bit arrogant it really rubs some of the “top red” types the wrong way. I guarantee if he was white he would not receive the same level of hate. He’d get some, but nowhere near as much.
Goes without saying but I’m glad someone did. Look at the hate Lingard gets, you know a lad that has scored for & played a role in cup wins then contrast it with the ‘local lad’, ‘gives his all’ b*llocks about a McTominay.

I remember it kicking off massively when the first lockdown happened last year rw: Pogba & race with a large number of Caf members letting their true colours show.

All in all, f*ck this fanbase.
 

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I’m sorry to say this because I wish it wasn’t the case, but I think his race plays a part in why he’s so hated by a portion of fans. Yes he’s asked to leave, but so did Rooney. I think because he’s a confident flashy black lad who comes across a bit arrogant it really rubs some of the “top red” types the wrong way. I guarantee if he was white he would not receive the same level of hate. He’d get some, but nowhere near as much.
I can list a ton of reasons why he rubs people up the wrong way and none of them have anything to do with race

1- the way he left the club the first time
2- his price tag and that he's never lived up to it
3- that we've tried god knows how many midfield partners and formations to 'get the best out of him' and still don't know how to to this day
4- his languid playing style
5- his tactical naivety
6- his agent
7- the fact he's spoken openly numerous times himself about wanting to leave or wanting to join other clubs

Nothing to do with skin tone it's that on the pitch he's just not worth the drama off of it
 

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I’m sorry to say this because I wish it wasn’t the case, but I think his race plays a part in why he’s so hated by a portion of fans. Yes he’s asked to leave, but so did Rooney. I think because he’s a confident flashy black lad who comes across a bit arrogant it really rubs some of the “top red” types the wrong way. I guarantee if he was white he would not receive the same level of hate. He’d get some, but nowhere near as much.
Just to be clear, you're suggesting Pogba is "hated" because of his skin colour?

a) It's 2021 not 1821

b) Just no
 

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I’m sorry to say this because I wish it wasn’t the case, but I think his race plays a part in why he’s so hated by a portion of fans. Yes he’s asked to leave, but so did Rooney. I think because he’s a confident flashy black lad who comes across a bit arrogant it really rubs some of the “top red” types the wrong way. I guarantee if he was white he would not receive the same level of hate. He’d get some, but nowhere near as much.
Youre always hating on Utd, does race come into that at all?
 
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I’m sorry to say this because I wish it wasn’t the case, but I think his race plays a part in why he’s so hated by a portion of fans. Yes he’s asked to leave, but so did Rooney. I think because he’s a confident flashy black lad who comes across a bit arrogant it really rubs some of the “top red” types the wrong way. I guarantee if he was white he would not receive the same level of hate. He’d get some, but nowhere near as much.
Shameful, lazy post. Were you in here when the Rooney thing was going on? He got dogs abuse from plenty. Why the need to introduce the race thing? Have you ANYTHING to suggest that any of your fellow Caf members hold Paul's race against him? Or just a vague feeling. Sometimes it's better to keep that shit in your head.
 
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I'm a Pogba fan. I really like the guy. Of course he's been very inconsistent over his tenure here but still, he's a great player.

However, at the end of the season, it is time to part ways. Will forever be drama surrounding him whilst he's here. So hopefully he has won the league at the end of the season and we all part on a high.
 

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Goes without saying but I’m glad someone did. Look at the hate Lingard gets, you know a lad that has scored for & played a role in cup wins then contrast it with the ‘local lad’, ‘gives his all’ b*llocks about a McTominay.

I remember it kicking off massively when the first lockdown happened last year rw: Pogba & race with a large number of Caf members letting their true colours show.

All in all, f*ck this fanbase.
Can't tell if you're serious or you're mocking the poster above.

In the case of the former, would mind pointing out those posts?
 

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Tbf, I'd leave United years ago, and played for other dominating teams, if I were as good as Pogba.
 

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Why would anyone want him to stay after everything that's happened? Just because he's in a good bit of form at the moment? As soon as the chips are down and we are struggling again his dummy will be out and Rioala will be mouthing off. Get rid, get some decent money for him and replcace properly.
 

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As others have said he wants to win the big trophies and as yet we havent won anything since Mourinhos first season, if you class the Europa a big trophy.
He also loves the good weather. When he came back when he was asked what he has missed he said something like not the weather always cold and wet, so if he can play in a warmer climate for a team that always has a chance of the league and Champions league thats a big plus too.
 

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Shameful, lazy post. Were you in here when the Rooney thing was going on? He got dogs abuse from plenty. Why the need to introduce the race thing? Have you ANYTHING to suggest that any of your fellow Caf members hold Paul's race against him? Or just a vague feeling. Sometimes it's better to keep that shit in hour head.
Does @Schmeichel's Cartwheel call anyone racist & does he say he believes his race may play a role?

If I could be arsed to trawl the many Pogba threads, you’ll find people criticising his hairstyle, the way he dresses, the way he spends his money, the way he dances, the way he acts with his family, all number of cultural differences etc. What is lazy is turning a blind eye to the many critical posts that ignore his on field performances yet draw the most negative assumptions for no factual reason. Are those all due to race? no but again, no ones said they are; he simply said it plays a role.

If the last year, or 400+ have shown us anything society is full of racists; the United fanbase of made up of members of that society so needless to say some won’t like Pogba because he’s black. It’s really not a controversial statement.

No one is saying or has said everyone that is critical is solely basing it on race so move on.

Can't tell if you're serious or you're mocking the poster above.

In the case of the former, would mind pointing out those posts?
Not here to be your errand boy lad.

You’ve been around this forum far too long & are far too active to say every criticism is solely based on his on field performances but this is a forum where people defended a guy saying being called ginger was akin to being called a n* so I don’t expect anything more.

I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not but in the case of the former, stick me on ignore please.
 

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Absolutely not the case. Race has nothing to do with it. Its the expectations that he isnt living up to with his undoubted talent. Its his talent being wasted that annoys us all. He has all the ability in the world to be a utterly dominate, unplayable midfielder but he doesnt rise to the levels we all think he could. Also of he did the basics better he'd probably get less stick, i.e. tracking his runner. Upping his workrate and breaking his neck to get back and help his defence. Just stuff like that. Absolutely nothing to do with race.
So you think the backlash would be just as nasty if he was a white man? I’m not saying him being black is the only reason, but I think it contributes, absolutely.