Quite the Venn diagram you have going there!
Television WandaVision
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Another crap episode. Three episodes down and all we get is some nonsensical hints to a plot that hasn't been revealed yet.
That sitcom humor with fake laugh track is really getting on my nerves now.
Get on with the plot you dumbasses!
That sitcom humor with fake laugh track is really getting on my nerves now.
Get on with the plot you dumbasses!
Not surprised
My biggest problem with the show is how short the episodes are. I wouldn't have minded the slow build up to the big reveal or twist or whatever, if they had released the whole thing in one go. These 20 minute episode per week means waiting a whole week to get a few glimpses into the actual story. None of the crap they have shown in the last three episodes really matter (other than the kids maybe). There are a few jokes here and there but otherwise it's pretty bland. I know it's all going to unravel pretty soon, but I'm kind of getting tired of waiting
This Is a weird take given what's already been discussed on this thread
Would it work without marvel naming? Probably not but why are we discussing this hypothetically. Clearly that doesn't matter because of the fact 'it is marvel'. Its 10+ years into a big universe where everything connects and because of that fact they can get away with a bit more on what they are trying
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I get it might not be your cup of tea so I don't want to try to change your mind but it's a weird trying to watch this show pretending marvel and the characters aren't attached to it and knowing it's building to a movie
Two weeks too long?
Of course it wouldn’t work if it wasn’t Marvel it’s a marvel fecking storyline.
I do agree that this approach will put off a lot of viewers these first 3 episodes have been entirely “world” building and there are more hints as to what is being built on.
This will turn into a great storyline 100% and you absolutely need these first 3 episodes to lay the groundwork for what is to come. Maybe you could have changed Episode 1 so that it was more like episode 2 but the whole point is that the viewers experience is mirroring that of Wanda and Vision. Confusion and a clear sense that this isn’t Marvel/As it should be.
You don’t have to be a fan boy to trust that Favreu and co know what they are doing here.
I do agree that this approach will put off a lot of viewers these first 3 episodes have been entirely “world” building and there are more hints as to what is being built on.
This will turn into a great storyline 100% and you absolutely need these first 3 episodes to lay the groundwork for what is to come. Maybe you could have changed Episode 1 so that it was more like episode 2 but the whole point is that the viewers experience is mirroring that of Wanda and Vision. Confusion and a clear sense that this isn’t Marvel/As it should be.
You don’t have to be a fan boy to trust that Favreu and co know what they are doing here.
Agnes?
It's not just about the weeks though, is it. We are 1/3rd of the season in and all we have gotten are some bad jokes and barely minutes of actual story/plot. Building up the story is fine by me, but they should have released more episodes together or something, especially these build up episodes. It would have made the whole thing way more interesting
What genre of show is it? I don't mean what genre you think it might become. I mean, what genre has it been up to this point after 3 episodes? And within that context, how does it measure up against other shows which follow a similar template?
Because I think the answers are kitsch sitcom, and not particularly well. The disappointment comes from feeling that the premise was mis-sold to me as something different.
By any reasonable measure, it's missing the mark. If you're a diehard fan of some other movies, I can see why you might give it more leeway than that. But this shouldn't be a prerequisite for the average viewer of a brand new show.
Because I think the answers are kitsch sitcom, and not particularly well. The disappointment comes from feeling that the premise was mis-sold to me as something different.
By any reasonable measure, it's missing the mark. If you're a diehard fan of some other movies, I can see why you might give it more leeway than that. But this shouldn't be a prerequisite for the average viewer of a brand new show.
I'm enjoying it for what it is. If you think it's bad 3 in we'll you've got at least another 3 to go like it. I'd stop watching if I was you.
Out of interest, are there any aspects you think it's done well enough to make you recommend it to somebody who isn't already a Marvel fan?
I follow the franchise, but I'm not diehard enough to forgive it of all its missteps. I think the first 3 episodes of WandaVision have definitely been one such misstep, but I'll keep watching because I want to be entertained and I think there's a kernel of a good show once the writers decide to share it.
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I would have liked more episodes released together too
From a marketing purpose I can see why it wasn't as they want people to have Disney plus for longer than a week (or whatever the trial is) so that they can look around and see what else is on offer
Having this weekly then followed by winter soldier series weekly is a good way to make people have the channel long term
Personally I'm willing to see how it all goes before judging it as going into the story straight away might mean less content
Agents of shield is/was one of my favorite comic superhero shows but doesn't work without s1 which was easily the weakest
Interesting thought, im wondering what you mean by this
Looking at the trailer is exactly as I thought it would be
personally wouldn't recommend this as a first point for non marvel fans
You can’t judge the show completely out of context especially with the storyline they are exploring. Trust me on this there are some really good characters coming if they are following a particular plot.
I think you’re entirely missing the point of this set up. The whole point is that it’s almost dream like it’s what one would imagine being in that kind of show would be like but with the occasional understanding that it can’t be real. Think of it as a lucid dream.
It’s absolutely not a first point of entry series to Marvel and why would it be that happened in 2008? It doesn’t make any sense to view it that way.
What the studio is doing is unlike any other project in the history of film and media they are creating an entire universe (or universes) to explore.
After three episodes it doesn’t stand on its own two feet. By the end of the season I’d defy anyone to say that’s still true.
Chipping in that I also agree it's gone on too long leaning so heavily on pastiche. It's very boring, even with a mild knowledge of a likely way the story will go and what they're aiming to set up. One and a half episodes, two episodes max, would have been enough before mixing in more clues rather than dragging it out.
Also, these pastiches really just don't have much pull when you're really not familiar with the sources their parodying. The generation/demographic that would be most familiar with them probably aren't the ones actually watching this show.
Also, these pastiches really just don't have much pull when you're really not familiar with the sources their parodying. The generation/demographic that would be most familiar with them probably aren't the ones actually watching this show.
Each to their own, but I’m enjoying the slower build up.
They weren’t going to completely unravel the “perfect” reality that she’s created after 2 episodes. From the trailer it was clear that things would get crazier as each “era” progressed & we’re starting to see that more now.
They weren’t going to completely unravel the “perfect” reality that she’s created after 2 episodes. From the trailer it was clear that things would get crazier as each “era” progressed & we’re starting to see that more now.
How many people are going to still watching and be engaged by then, though? If a show needs an entire season to stand on its own two feet, that's a bad sign. I'm sure some Marvel faithful will be watching, but will it be enough?
What I think will happen is people will switch off then see it be critically acclaimed and then give it another go.
Those familiar with Marvel will stick at it.
Dunno, I'm a huge comic book fan so the Wanda and Vision alternate reality bubbles have already been done a lot in the comics and I'm fine with the show and don't consider any of it a misstep. I see exactly what they're doing and where they've taken it from. I'm all for this experimentation as the comics themselves did the same. I'd say at the moment it's great for the marvel fans, once they've finished it and all eps are available and it can be binged, remember each one is only half an hour, I think that's when it may be better for the non marvel fan.
Same here and I trust them enough to take this storyline where is should go and do it really well as Marvel Studios have generally got the feel for the audience and relative genres/themes of key storylines.
It also helps to have two good actors as the leads.
On a side note, I've been watching the show with 2 others, one semi marvel fan and one who's not a marvel fan at all, and they've both loved it so far.
Its not weird at all. Its called being objective and not a fanboy. If you're going to like anything because it has the Marvel name attatched to it then your opinion is only for those who also will like anything to do with Marvel. For people who dont know if they want to watch the show because they dont autowatch cuz Marvel, an objective look at the show is far more useful to determine if its a good thing to invest time into.
The point is that unless you're a fanboy and would watch anything they churn out then it isnt anyone's cup of tea.
Being objective and not a fanboy? You're definitely baiting and I'm not gonna bite off more than I've already bitten 
Also who uses fanboy 2021.
Also who uses fanboy 2021.
MarvelBeing objective and not a fanboy? You're definitely baiting and I'm not gonna bite off more than I've already bitten
Also who uses fanboy 2021.
Most people will still be watching, Marvel has earned itself a lot of credit with the fanbase and RedCafe's impatience isn't reflective or representative of the fanbase at large.
14 year olds.Being objective and not a fanboy? You're definitely baiting and I'm not gonna bite off more than I've already bitten
Also who uses fanboy 2021.
Yep its too obviousBeing objective and not a fanboy? You're definitely baiting and I'm not gonna bite off more than I've already bitten
Also who uses fanboy 2021.
I'm gonna tag you in another thread just to make a point
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Surely Marvel is interested in more than just the Marvel fanbase watching? Most people who watch Marvel movies aren't hardcore fans or anything, after all, they don't really care about all the lore and theories. They just like superhero movies. Wandavision isn't that.
I'd be really surprised if most people who watched the first episode will still be watching by the last.
Speaking as a nerd I'd agree it's moving too slowly to appeal to non-Marvel hardcore fans and comic readers. I'd predict the last few episodes being pretty bonkers but can see why people are seeing the slow build as off putting, especially with a week gap between episodes. In fairness I will say that it was heavily marketed as being a sitcom going through the decades, but I think releasing all eps at once, or say half a season twice, would have reduced most of the criticism.
Yep, I thought it was going to be this from the trailers so yeah we knew from the marketing.
I've watched so far because I hoped it would move on pretty quickly because unless its hilarious its a bad concept. But its not even laugh funny, its more oh I see what they were going for jokes. I said I'd give it 2 more episodes from the opening day so theres 1 more for me. Its going to have to be transformative and compelling next week for me to change my mind and I doubt anyone thinks thats happening next week. Gonna go ahead and predict 24 minutes of unfunny sitcom, one scene where Wanda or Vision is confused and hints that something might happen before going back to the unfunny sitcom and about 6 minutes at the end where they talk about things being weird again and showing a scene outside of the tv show.
Yeah I'm assuming the cracks in the reality and hints at what's going on are going to increase week by week until it all goes tits up. Hopefully it'll speed up exponentially rather than continuing to dripfeed the cracks until the last couple of episodes.
Again though I'm speaking as someone with background knowledge and therefore an idea of what we're being led to so it's much easier for me to overlook the overdone sitcom elements in comparison to casual or new viewers. Having to wait a week for a 20 minute episode that isn't paced very well is far from ideal.
Given that this will lead into Doctor Strange 2 and will play a big part in the setting up of phase 4 I think they should have done a much better job so far with regard to widespread appeal given it's also exclusively on a streaming network.
There's so much comic book stuff now than even I've lost interest in fervently keeping up with a lot of shows given the sheer volume of them. Don't think they can take things for granted in the Covid era either when it all costs more money to view on another streaming network.
Really liked the third episode. The ending was so damn creepy.
The sitcom stuff is terrible. It's the creepy parts when the illusions break that are engaging to watch. Overall with the number of episodes and length of each it'll probably end up a drag but the story has a potential of being good enough. I just hope the creepy parts of the story increases the more we go on.
I can see both argument
Ideally, I would have preferred a batch release
But at same time I can see why Disney + took this risk
Elizabeth olsen is teasing ep4 is a game changer. Hopefully it is
Yeah. And the little glitch where she changed Vision was so subtle it was like the stream had died for a second.
I think if it wasnt mcu they would have seeded in a few more of such moments to keep the creepiness factor high but are partly relying on built up trust for a slow burn, and I'm ok with it.
Wonder if we actually will see
Mephisto. And how he looks?
As someone who isn't a huge Marvel fan by any stretch (I genuinely started watching this based on Disney's picture of Wanda and Vision together on the app thinking "huh, a black and white sitcom about a woman married to a robot, seems interesting") I'm enjoying this. It's nothing spectacular so far but I like the nostalgia and it's different to anything else on TV at the moment. I've seen Endgame so I did obviously figure out what was going on but I have never even heard of any of the villains mentioned in this thread. I'm interested in where this is heading even if it's taking it's time getting there.
I do think for someone like me though I'd have benefited from waiting until it has all aired and then binging it.
I do think for someone like me though I'd have benefited from waiting until it has all aired and then binging it.
Wait, why are you spoiling a prediction for the next episodes ? Is it leaked or something ?
I have literally no idea on the Marvel universe and only watched this as my G.F forced me to.
Really enjoying it. It is a little frustrating as the 3 episodes could have been done in 2 but its fascinatingly acted/setup.
Really enjoying it. It is a little frustrating as the 3 episodes could have been done in 2 but its fascinatingly acted/setup.
Just in case people arent interested in whats coming, nothing leaked as far as I know.
Oh OK.
Sitcom jokes with a tiny hint of something bigger, this wait better be worth it. Teasing is good for trailers and it's quite risky, using literal seconds at the end to unveil the actual storyline.
I get the Marvel cinematic universe becoming tired material and trying something different will refresh the franchise a bit, so I might stick around few episodes more... unless the show will turn into Friends.
I get the Marvel cinematic universe becoming tired material and trying something different will refresh the franchise a bit, so I might stick around few episodes more... unless the show will turn into Friends.
Why would they be? Their movies bring in huge numbers of people and massive receipts. If they pick up more as they go along, I'm sure they'll be very happy, but they are exploring doing something a bit different.
This is going to be a short, self-contained series. I doubt they are planning on doing many more if any, and it should be considered just like a limited run comic book series - one that eventually gets put out collected together as a trade paperback. And nobody is forcing regular readers of other books to read those and get as much from it as people who are already fans.
I find it odd in this thread that there are people basically demanding to be able to enjoy this without being particularly interested in the 13 years of the MCU leading up to it. And then there are those on the flip side who are telling us with certainty that it will be a classic show. More than likely it'll be a quirky curiosity that will appeal to a limited audience.