He is a talent but he is a bit underwhelming in the U23 so far. Gets too much playing time. Reminds me of Lingard, good technique, a good link-up player, and can hold the ball but not much of a goal threat. Time on his side though but feels like he should play a few U18 games.
Shola Shoretire
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Well personally I'd rather he play more U23 games even if he struggles a bit. He'll learn much more at this level than the U18s. I feel he's outgrown that level.
He got 1 goals and 5 assists in 18 games at U18 level last season, he's obviously not outgrown it and wasn't playing like someone who'd outgrown it last season either. For reference Gomes, who many often cite as the talent bracket Shoretire belongs to, had 12 goals and 6 assists in 21 apperances for the U18s in his debut season and he still had a few more seasons in the U18s despite his stats. If you want to look at a player who'd clearly outgrown U18 level look no further than Greenwood another, he scored 26 goals in 26 appearances, he only got moved up the season after and basically bypassed the U23s entirely.
Shoretire might well end up a fantastic player but I still think it was a step too soon for him, for whatever reason we didn't really give him enough time to find his feet at U18 level before moving him up. Whether this will be better for him in the long run remains to be seen.
Exactly, I can't remember once where he completely dominated a U18 game. Obviously, he should play a few U23 games but I also think that he should play a few U18 games too.
What I mean by having outgrown that level is that once the coaches deemed it fine to promote him to the U23 level, and given he's experienced quite a few games at that level, I feel it'd be a sideways step to go back to the U18s. Whether we promoted him too soon is another debate, but now he's here, I'd rather see him get more game time at this level. He's going to turn 17 soon, so I wouldn't expect him to be dominating games at the U23 level just yet( he's not a Greenwood or Gomes level talent) but I still feel he'll learn more playing at this level.
He’s still very young for U23’s give him another year and then reasses.
Im expecting him to progress much more in 12 months.
Im expecting him to progress much more in 12 months.
Yeah expectations are way too high for a 16 year old playing in the 23s. Don’t expect him to tear up trees this year. Next year the experience will have done him good and I’m sure he will improve.
I guess the question is not wether Shoretire is ‘ready to dominate’ or ‘ready to score’in the U23s, but wether he’s ‘ready to develop better’ there. Some develop better by succesful repetition, some better by challenging problems - and most are somewhere in between.
So another question of that ilk would be - what makes the same youth developers who thought Gomes would develop best in the U18s at 17 and in the U23s at 20, and Greenwood best at the U18s at 17 and in the first team at 18 - what makes them think Shoretire is best served playing with the U23s at 16?
All answers are welcome, except if anyone says ‘it’s because they have never really thought about it’.
I agree, I think the coaches have a good idea which youth team the players are best suited for and will treat it on an individual basis.
They probably have several good ideas, I would be interested to know what they are, but the again, I’ll most likely never know
Maybe they had a change in policy or thinking after those players. Compared to other top clubs, we were a bit slow in regards to promoting our youngsters. We only recently changed that philosophy.
If that’s a conscious decision, it’s interesting. It certainly goes in tandem with the fact that we have the youngest U23 average since a long time.
Yet, it’s is also interesting why, of all the 16, 17 and 18 year olds playing currently with the U18s, why Shoretire in particular is a mainstay in the U23 team despite not tearing the ground up.
Its absolutely baffling to me. Can only be due to agents or parents. I watched a bit in 18s last year and was average at best. In 23s he looks out of place. Had limited impact and is just over 3 months different to Hugill in age.
It’s difficult to imagine parents or agents holding sway over who Wood and Butt decide to promote at which point, though. Can it be that it’s again not a question of impact, but of what Shoretire needs to develop and what he already has?
Think your underestimating the power of agents.
Shoretire is not out of his depth at u23s, he's quietly going about his job adequately chipping in but not living up to massive hype and isn't an explosive player that everyone can pick out as a star yet. He's just turned 17 give him time.
I hope you’re wromg, though I fear you may be right. But I refuse to think about it.
It's a bit far fetched given the large pool of talent we currently have in that age group, he's been highly rated at United for years, i'd imagine it's just apart of the career development plan they set for him.I hope you’re wromg, though I fear you may be right. But I refuse to think about it.
Some astonishingly shit posts here.
Was it something I said?
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Manchester United teen prodigy Shola Shoretire snubs interest from PSG, Bayern Munich and Barcelona to sign his first professional deal at Old Trafford - and the 17-year-old is tipped to make his first-team debut THIS SEASON
Manchester United teen prodigy Shola Shoretire snubs interest from PSG, Bayern Munich and Barcelona to sign his first professional deal at Old Trafford - and the 17-year-old is tipped to make his first-team debut THIS SEASON
That's great news!
I've been enjoying watching Shoretire the last couple of years. He's a busy, technically gifted player and, for someone still so young, he links up well in attacks and is a clever player with good touch and vision.
I can certainly see why the coaches have wanted him developing at U23 level this season, even though he's looked tidy rather than dominant at that level so far. Although, I think there would also have been an argument for, this season, mixing his time with the U23's and U18's so that he could be the main, dominant player some weeks at the younger level and then play more of a learning role when with the U23's?
But either way is fine, and he seems to be developing well. I'd be very surprised to see him in the first team squad this season, but it's great news that he's committed himself to the club and hopefully he'll be getting senior football next year at some level.
Is it about 2 goals in around 27 games last couple of seasons? Anyone seen any dominant u18 performances as I must have missed them.
He wasn't getting many more goals in the U18, that's true. But he was getting on the ball more and being more of a key player than with the U23's so far imo.
But, like I said, I think both are good for his development. It's definitely good to get these better players into the older age groups early. But, as with Hugill in the first half of this season, when they're still only 16/17, there's an argument for appearing for both and being a key player with the U18's at times as well.
Not convinced 23s is best place for his development given limited impact in games. Hugill another level on what I've seen and impact in games been massive.
Pretty sure he had a pre-agreement with United when he turned 16 to sign on his 17th birthday, so a bit of a non-story. And no, he won't make his first-team debut this season.
It's mental, remember reading similar about him a few months ago too. It's like people have heard he's some Messi level talent and then watched one game of him(or just looked at U18 stats and not watched any considering he was definitely looking more than ready for the U23's when he was playing U18) & he's not scored 10 goals so they think he's underwhelming. The kid just turned 17 literally 2 days ago ffs.
I haven't seen one post (I haven't really looked, I must admit) that says that he's poor or something. What people have been saying (and myself too) is that he's kind of underwhelming in the U23 so far and that he would be better off playing some games for the U18. He's very anonymous most of the time and the fact that he has more cards than goals/assists says a lot about a creative player. Obviously a big talent, but does not seem ready to play every game for the U23.
Shoretire was very good against Liverpool less than a week ago - one of his best matches. But it was overlooked because Hugill and Diallo both were brilliant. But Shoretire maybe was our 3rd best player on the day in that game.
I'm talking about the posts who think his agent has influenced him playing for u23s and he is taking a lot of criticism for playing in u23s anyway.
I actually thought this was a thread about Shola Ameobi retiring.
Seems a very talented player to me - very good on the ball. Love the way he turns with the ball and creates space for himself.
To me, he also looks like he is quite a strong lad. Once he finds end product, I think he can be fast tracked into senior football.
To me, he also looks like he is quite a strong lad. Once he finds end product, I think he can be fast tracked into senior football.
The discussion is like Rashford (who was 17 playing for the u18s). Player with a lot of hype in the under ages who wasn't making an explosive impact so fans were going cold on him.
Never understand why people bang on about results, goals and assists are youth level. Sure he could play at 18s and score and assist more, but he'll learn more playing against better players and learning how to make an impact on tougher games.
How is it like Rashford?
Rashford played u18s like you say, so not the same.
Rashford was the top scorer with almost triple the amount of anyone else. So again, not the same.
As above, he was the u18s top scorer by far. A pretty explosive impact id say.
Who was going cold on him? People were rating him highly at 17 and were creaming themselves over an interview from staff who said they’ve been improving his finishing by showing him Ruud videos. The only question was whether he was really a striker, which he wasn’t and still isn’t so was very much reasonable.
Most people aren’t going “cold” on Shoretire either. They’re saying he’d benefit from playing sometimes at a level where he can be the main man and learn to take responsibility and get more ball time. He drifts through u23s matches barely touching the ball some games.
Doesn’t seem like the discussion is the same at all.
Rashford when he was first promoted to u18s was decent but not impactful.
It was his second year he started scoring more but was still not dominant in overall play, only doing more of the finishing (which a lot of average players can do at u18s level in fairness) . Even when he started scoring more, loads of people started doubting his potential because he was not fully expressing himself and it was more 'glimpses' of his technique.
What type of player is Shola and what's his best position. Seen reports of him being a playmaker.
Resident experts I await your assessments with interest.
Resident experts I await your assessments with interest.
Samir Nasri 2.0
He wasn't very good on here the other day but now he's signed a pro contract it's all changed .
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