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He can go feck himself for that summer with LVG
 

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Why is Cavani considered to be a roaring success? Like, seriously. He has five goals in twenty. He's yet to score at Old Trafford. He missed big chances in several big games (PSG, Liverpool, Arsenal - though admittedly this is a bit unfair, he was unlucky against both PSG and Liverpool). I'm not trying to say he's been bad, he's been... decent, exactly what you'd expect from a squad player. On here though... I've even seen someone describe him as "in-form" and that's a weird thing to call a striker who scored one league goal in two months; people regularly say that he makes such a difference when he's playing and I just can't really see that. He's been much better than Martial, sure, but I'm not sure sticking Phil Jones up there would have been any worse than Martial this season.

TL;DR: Cavani is OK but the love he gets is a tad baffling to me.
You’re one of the most pessimistic posters on the forum but even this is a bit of a stretch from you.

Minutes-wise, he has played in the equivalent of 11 full games. 5 goals in 11 games is more than decent. Especially in the context of our other forwards’ performances.
 

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He's doing the most clever thing he can do by using our name. Of course I'd love to see him here but can anyone seriously believe that's what he wants to do? I could see him joining PSG though.
 

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Imagine him and bailly as our 2 centrebacks that'd be brilliant and entertaining.

If he is serious we should be all over him hes still one of the best defenders out there and he's an attacking threat.
 
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Imagine him and bailly as our 2 centrebacks that'd be brilliant and entertaining.

If he is serious we should be all over him hes still one of the best defenders out there and he's an attacking threat.
we would need to be pretty bloody good elsewhere - as in 50% of our matches we would end with 10 men. :lol:
 

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You’re one of the most pessimistic posters on the forum but even this is a bit of a stretch from you.

Minutes-wise, he has played in the equivalent of 11 full games. 5 goals in 11 games is more than decent. Especially in the context of our other forwards’ performances.
I'm just touched you took note of me tbh.
 

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Why is Cavani considered to be a roaring success? Like, seriously. He has five goals in twenty. He's yet to score at Old Trafford. He missed big chances in several big games (PSG, Liverpool, Arsenal - though admittedly this is a bit unfair, he was unlucky against both PSG and Liverpool). I'm not trying to say he's been bad, he's been... decent, exactly what you'd expect from a squad player. On here though... I've even seen someone describe him as "in-form" and that's a weird thing to call a striker who scored one league goal in two months; people regularly say that he makes such a difference when he's playing and I just can't really see that. He's been much better than Martial, sure, but I'm not sure sticking Phil Jones up there would have been any worse than Martial this season.

TL;DR: Cavani is OK but the love he gets is a tad baffling to me.
Unless lockdown has messed me up, there’s no way Cavani has played 20 games for us, surely?!?
 

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Why is Cavani considered to be a roaring success? Like, seriously. He has five goals in twenty. He's yet to score at Old Trafford. He missed big chances in several big games (PSG, Liverpool, Arsenal - though admittedly this is a bit unfair, he was unlucky against both PSG and Liverpool). I'm not trying to say he's been bad, he's been... decent, exactly what you'd expect from a squad player. On here though... I've even seen someone describe him as "in-form" and that's a weird thing to call a striker who scored one league goal in two months; people regularly say that he makes such a difference when he's playing and I just can't really see that. He's been much better than Martial, sure, but I'm not sure sticking Phil Jones up there would have been any worse than Martial this season.

TL;DR: Cavani is OK but the love he gets is a tad baffling to me.
Same.
 

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Ramos is a horrible central defender. I can 100% guarantee that if he were here supporters would turn on him quick. He is a great footballer but quite possibly the most overrated defender in the history of the game. He scores goals and is a good leader, but makes mistakes that would make Phil Jones blush. I didn't want him 4 years ago when he used us to get a new contract and I definitely don't want him now...
:lol: Your talking about one of the best CB’s of his generation. Absolutely integral to multiple multiple CL’s and LaLiga trophies, oh and World Cups.
 

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:lol: Your talking about one of the best CB’s of his generation. Absolutely integral to multiple multiple CL’s and LaLiga trophies, oh and World Cups.
There is no doubt about that but my gut feeling is that Utd wouldn't go in for him again after the farce of 2015, he provides so much leadership and experience but think they see this deal completely different to the Cavani one despite both being of a very similar age
 

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Unless lockdown has messed me up, there’s no way Cavani has played 20 games for us, surely?!?
PL............. 14 games, 4 goals, 2 assists,.. 618 mins played
FA Cup........ 1 game ....90 mins played
EFL Cup.......1 game, 1 goal...90 mins played
CL................4 games, 207 mins played
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TOTAL........20 games, 5 goals, 2 assists...1005 mins played
 

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Why is Cavani considered to be a roaring success? Like, seriously. He has five goals in twenty. He's yet to score at Old Trafford. He missed big chances in several big games (PSG, Liverpool, Arsenal - though admittedly this is a bit unfair, he was unlucky against both PSG and Liverpool). I'm not trying to say he's been bad, he's been... decent, exactly what you'd expect from a squad player. On here though... I've even seen someone describe him as "in-form" and that's a weird thing to call a striker who scored one league goal in two months; people regularly say that he makes such a difference when he's playing and I just can't really see that. He's been much better than Martial, sure, but I'm not sure sticking Phil Jones up there would have been any worse than Martial this season.

TL;DR: Cavani is OK but the love he gets is a tad baffling to me.
I’m not saying he should be up for the Balon D’or or anything but he’s exceeded my expectations.

When you compare him to the other signings of his ilk that we’ve made recently it was hard not to have some trepidation. Schweinsteiger, Sanchez, Falcao etc all came here with huge fanfare (and wages) despite being over the hill. Most were concerned he’d be another player with his prime behind him looking for an easy payday as he coasts into retirement.

Thats been far from the case though - he’s come in and completely shown Martial up just by workrate alone. You see him hassling and harrying opposition players into his own half while Martial can’t even break into a jog even when it’s him who gives the ball away. And he’s doing this while 10 years older! He’s really exposed Martial and shown us the level we should be expecting from our starting number 9. The fact Cavani was brought in as a squad option/experienced head but has given Ole no option but to make him first choice says it all really.
 

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we would need to be pretty bloody good elsewhere - as in 50% of our matches we would end with 10 men. :lol:
were missing that type of shithouse player though.

I don’t think facing mcguire and lindaloff really scares attackers imagine if you knew you’d be coming up against Ramos and bailly.
 

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were missing that type of shithouse player though.

I don’t think facing mcguire and lindaloff really scares attackers imagine if you knew you’d be coming up against Ramos and bailly.
Yeah very true but even if he was to leave Madrid (won't happen) we are still holding a grudge for what happened in 2015
 

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There is no doubt about that but my gut feeling is that Utd wouldn't go in for him again after the farce of 2015, he provides so much leadership and experience but think they see this deal completely different to the Cavani one despite both being of a very similar age
Yeah I can't see it happening either bud. Shame as although he is obviously at the end of his career now he ticks every box when you consider we are desperate for leadership and experience.

There's a real lack of that on the pitch for us. You can see it plain as day when we are having an off game, nobody really being vocal and raising their teammates game. The manager can do little once the players are on the pitch, which is why the best teams always have leaders in the squad.

We are a reasonably talented team and I'm happy with our progress but this is a glaring issue imo. I can't remember a United side so void of any real leaders. Other than Bruno nobody opens their mouths. I'd definitely take him on a 2 year deal if the price was right.
 

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He'd come here and get his first serious injury ever inside the first 3 months. Guaranteed.
 

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I'd love him here.

Not ashamed to say he's my current favourite player outside of Uniteds.

His shithousery knows no bounds, and he's exactly what we need in the backline. A proper winner. Will do anything to win, and to feck with anyone who gets in the way of his team winning.
 

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I'd love him here.

Not ashamed to say he's my current favourite player outside of Uniteds.

His shithousery knows no bounds, and he's exactly what we need in the backline. A proper winner. Will do anything to win, and to feck with anyone who gets in the way of his team winning.
Yup same here :D
 

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I’m not saying he should be up for the Balon D’or or anything but he’s exceeded my expectations.

When you compare him to the other signings of his ilk that we’ve made recently it was hard not to have some trepidation. Schweinsteiger, Sanchez, Falcao etc all came here with huge fanfare (and wages) despite being over the hill. Most were concerned he’d be another player with his prime behind him looking for an easy payday as he coasts into retirement.

Thats been far from the case though - he’s come in and completely shown Martial up just by workrate alone. You see him hassling and harrying opposition players into his own half while Martial can’t even break into a jog even when it’s him who gives the ball away. And he’s doing this while 10 years older! He’s really exposed Martial and shown us the level we should be expecting from our starting number 9. The fact Cavani was brought in as a squad option/experienced head but has given Ole no option but to make him first choice says it all really.
Well, showing up Martial in whatever metric you can think of - apart, perhaps, from Frenchness and sulking - this season is quite easy. Admittedly his goals-per-minute ratio is pretty good, as others have pointed it out. 5 in 11 games is decent. But he also only scored once in his last five starts so he's very much part of the recent problems.

And again, I do think Cavani is a good squad player but the Caf tends to go overboard with him. Whenever we miss a chance and he's not on the pitch, we get a deluge of comments that "Cavani would have scored that" - yet he's out there now and missing those chances himself.

Oh, yeah, this is the Ramos thread. feck Ramos. The one active player I dislike the most apart from Suárez. Wouldn't want him even if he offered to play for free.
 

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:lol: Your talking about one of the best CB’s of his generation. Absolutely integral to multiple multiple CL’s and LaLiga trophies, oh and World Cups.
I know exactly who i'm talking about. And I know for a fact that there are several knowledgable people like myself who can see just how over rated he really is. I mean, the guy has 26 red cards. TWENTY-SIX red cards!!!! Do you realize how obscene that is? To put that into perspective, Vidic was a hard as nails defender and he only had 8 red cards in his career...
 

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It's such a ridiculous post I didn't even see the point of responding. Ramos = Jones ffs :lol:
Depends on what you're looking for. If you want goals from a defender, pick Ramos. I judge my defenders on how well they do at stopping the other team from scoring, not by how many goals they score for us. And while Jones isn't the greatest player in the world, at least he plays defense sometimes. Ramos is a red card waiting to happen. Sorry, but a "world class" defender doesn't have 26 career red cards...
 

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Depends on what you're looking for. If you want goals from a defender, pick Ramos. I judge my defenders on how well they do at stopping the other team from scoring, not by how many goals they score for us. And while Jones isn't the greatest player in the world, at least he plays defense sometimes. Ramos is a red card waiting to happen. Sorry, but a "world class" defender doesn't have 26 career red cards...
He does make more mistakes that you'd ideally want, and he plays with too much aggression at times which gets himself sent off. But comparing him to Phil Jones is one of the most ridiculous comparisons I've ever seen.

Ramos was the defensive base one of the best teams of the last decade has been built on, standing alongside Ronaldo as their key player in winning 4 CL's in five years. A team that generally focuses on attack and leaves their defence quite exposed. Their defence, particularly his highly rated partner for much of that, generally looks absolutely lost any time Ramos isn't there holding their hands so that gives you an idea of how much falls on his shoulders. Yet according to you he's the same as Jones and worse than Maguire.

I admit I haven't watched Real for a while so I have no idea what he's like these days, but if he's still anywhere close to what he was at his peak he'd walk in and easily be our best defender. Maguire in his first season and for the first couple of months of this season made more mistakes than Ramos did, while not bringing anywhere near the positives. Maguire has cut most of those mistakes out the last few months but Ramos' all round play was still miles ahead of him.
 

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I know exactly who i'm talking about. And I know for a fact that there are several knowledgable people like myself who can see just how over rated he really is. I mean, the guy has 26 red cards. TWENTY-SIX red cards!!!! Do you realize how obscene that is? To put that into perspective, Vidic was a hard as nails defender and he only had 8 red cards in his career...
What aspect of a defenders ability is proven through how many red cards they’ve had? Temperament? Sure he’s a hot head but that comes with the sensational leadership and desire he has to win, it’s part of what makes him an elite defender and why he’s been so successful.

You and your ‘knowledgeable’ fellow posters are absolutely kidding yourselves if you think Ramos is not one of the very best of his generation.

His Club and country could not carry a substandard centre back and win what they have.

He’s outlasted dozens of managers and they’ve all chosen him as probably the first name on the team sheet (alongside Ronnie when he was there.)

All these managers were wrong and all the trophies he’s won to prove himself amount to nothing though because SadlerMUFC and his chums off the CAF said so. Ahh riiiiiggghhhtt :smirk:
 

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Ramos' amazing and can still offer 2 quality seasons but I just don't think he'd move to PL at this stage of his career. Italy or PSG maybe.
 

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Only way we would sign him is if we couldn't get one of the French trio. If that was the case he'd make perfect sense to allow us to wait until another option at that level becomes available.

The problem is he'll likely move right at the start of the window, whilst we'll be negotiating for the other 3 much longer due to the amount of interest in them all.
 

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He's an utter bellend in my view, great player, just very very unlikeable. I guess if Ole's looking for his players not to be so nice, this guy is probably a great signing.
 

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This is just bullshit. But if he came here to epl he would get completely shown up at this age.
 

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He does make more mistakes that you'd ideally want, and he plays with too much aggression at times which gets himself sent off. But comparing him to Phil Jones is one of the most ridiculous comparisons I've ever seen.

Ramos was the defensive base one of the best teams of the last decade has been built on, standing alongside Ronaldo as their key player in winning 4 CL's in five years. A team that generally focuses on attack and leaves their defence quite exposed. Their defence, particularly his highly rated partner for much of that, generally looks absolutely lost any time Ramos isn't there holding their hands so that gives you an idea of how much falls on his shoulders. Yet according to you he's the same as Jones and worse than Maguire.

I admit I haven't watched Real for a while so I have no idea what he's like these days, but if he's still anywhere close to what he was at his peak he'd walk in and easily be our best defender. Maguire in his first season and for the first couple of months of this season made more mistakes than Ramos did, while not bringing anywhere near the positives. Maguire has cut most of those mistakes out the last few months but Ramos' all round play was still miles ahead of him.
Maguire got scapegoated more than he made mistakes. If United supporters put the same expectations on Ramos as they do on Maguire, they will turn on Ramos very quickly...
 

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What aspect of a defenders ability is proven through how many red cards they’ve had? Temperament? Sure he’s a hot head but that comes with the sensational leadership and desire he has to win, it’s part of what makes him an elite defender and why he’s been so successful.

You and your ‘knowledgeable’ fellow posters are absolutely kidding yourselves if you think Ramos is not one of the very best of his generation.

His Club and country could not carry a substandard centre back and win what they have.

He’s outlasted dozens of managers and they’ve all chosen him as probably the first name on the team sheet (alongside Ronnie when he was there.)

All these managers were wrong and all the trophies he’s won to prove himself amount to nothing though because SadlerMUFC and his chums off the CAF said so. Ahh riiiiiggghhhtt :smirk:
That is correct sir
 
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