Best Goalkeeper in the league

MZX7

@Vato @Varun @moses @Hectic @Solius
Joined
Jan 19, 2014
Messages
1,975
Location
New York
Now that, after 18 months of scrutiny, it is clear that De Gea isn't the greatest he once was, who holds the crown for the best goalie in the current PL season?

Is it Ederson, Lloris, Pickford or Nick Pope?

Or is it someone else?

Thoughts?
 

paulscholes18

Full Member
Joined
Jan 4, 2013
Messages
20,172
I know he made mistakes when he was in the presence of greatness (Messe Lingod), but Martinez on the whole I would say has been the best keeper this season
 

hobbers

Full Member
Joined
Jun 24, 2013
Messages
28,108
Ederson, Martinez and Schmeichel. And maybe Pope.

Obviously until 2 minutes ago I'd have said Allison as well :lol:
 

Diarm11

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jan 4, 2021
Messages
7
Now that, after 18 months of scrutiny, it is clear that De Gea isn't the greatest he once was, who holds the crown for the best goalie in the current PL season?

Is it Ederson, Lloris, Pickford or Nick Pope?

Or is it someone else?

Thoughts?
Wouldn't have Pickford anywhere near it anyway. Ederson probably top but he gets tested a lot less than most other keepers.
 

Sleigh

Full Member
Joined
Jul 13, 2019
Messages
362
Supports
Leicester City
I personally think it’s Ederson.

I think Pope would be exposed, similar to Pickford. I think the Liverpool collapse has proved how good VVD is.
 

Based Adnan

Full Member
Joined
Aug 4, 2014
Messages
4,098
Despite the game he's just had it's Alison for me, by some distance
 
Joined
Sep 23, 2017
Messages
2,287
Still Alisson, despite that game.

Surprisingly, Pope has been absolutely brilliant in just about every advanced stat for the last two years. Dealing with crosses he's easily number one in the league statistically - which you might expect given his height - but he also way outperforms his expected saves, his 1v1 percentage is (far) higher than any other keeper in the league and he's even third to Alisson and Ederson for 'defensive actions outside the penalty area' - which is the best sweeper keeper metric we've got.

Alisson > Pope > Lloris for me
 

SirMattlives

Full Member
Joined
Sep 3, 2018
Messages
658
All goalies make mistakes but if de Gea had played like Allison today, you can imagine the reaction here. I think Lloris is in the mix.
 

No Spring Chicken

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Oct 21, 2020
Messages
116
Looking at the stats, it's Nick Pope, no question. No 1 in the league at shot stopping (by a mile), No 1 at successfully taking crosses (by a mile), No 2 at successfully sweeping up.
 

Annihilate Now!

...or later, I'm not fussy
Scout
Joined
Nov 4, 2010
Messages
49,877
Location
W.Yorks
Allisson, Ederson and Schmeichel are probably the top 3.

Pope and Lloris to round out the top 5.
 

sullydnl

Ross Kemp's caf ID
Joined
Sep 13, 2012
Messages
34,063
Posted this in the De Gea thread but perhaps belongs here instead:

This PL season, according to OPTA.

Errors leading to chances: Alison 2, Ederson 1, De Gea 0.
Errors leading to goals: Alison 2, Ederson 1, De Gea 1.
Total errors: Alison 4, Ederson 2, De Gea 1.


Since the 18/19 PL season, according to OPTA.

Errors leading to chances: Alison 7, Ederson 6, De Gea 1.
Errors leading to goals: Alison 6, Ederson 4, De Gea 8.
Total errors: Alison 13, Ederson 10, De Gea 9

In the 17/18 season (when Alison wasn't around) Ederson made 6 errors to De Gea's 3 as well.

Our goalkeeper seems to get disproportionate heat for his mistakes while they escape the same scrutiny.
 

izec

Full Member
Joined
Sep 5, 2013
Messages
27,205
Location
Lucilinburhuc
Normal form or over a season and taking the whole GK game, not only reflex saves: Ederson, Alisson, Lloris, Pope, Schmeichel. Martinez is decent too, but he hasnt been starting long enough to judge.
 

ivaldo

Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?
Joined
Nov 15, 2012
Messages
28,699
Posted this in the De Gea thread but perhaps belongs here instead:

This PL season, according to OPTA.

Errors leading to chances: Alison 2, Ederson 1, De Gea 0.
Errors leading to goals: Alison 2, Ederson 1, De Gea 1.
Total errors: Alison 4, Ederson 2, De Gea 1.


Since the 18/19 PL season, according to OPTA.

Errors leading to chances: Alison 7, Ederson 6, De Gea 1.
Errors leading to goals: Alison 6, Ederson 4, De Gea 8.
Total errors: Alison 13, Ederson 10, De Gea 9

In the 17/18 season (when Alison wasn't around) Ederson made 6 errors to De Gea's 3 as well.

Our goalkeeper seems to get disproportionate heat for his mistakes while they escape the same scrutiny.
Interesting. I genuinely can't fathom why anyone would still say Allison.
 

Bojan11

Full Member
Joined
May 16, 2010
Messages
33,113
Currently probably Ederson or Lloris.
Lloris :lol:

You should add De Gea if you are going on past reputation and even then Lloris had a blunder in him. I suppose you have forgotten the Liverpool game because it was only a week ago.
 

criticalanalysis

Full Member
Joined
Apr 12, 2015
Messages
6,103
Posted this in the De Gea thread but perhaps belongs here instead:

This PL season, according to OPTA.

Errors leading to chances: Alison 2, Ederson 1, De Gea 0.
Errors leading to goals: Alison 2, Ederson 1, De Gea 1.
Total errors: Alison 4, Ederson 2, De Gea 1.


Since the 18/19 PL season, according to OPTA.

Errors leading to chances: Alison 7, Ederson 6, De Gea 1.
Errors leading to goals: Alison 6, Ederson 4, De Gea 8.
Total errors: Alison 13, Ederson 10, De Gea 9

In the 17/18 season (when Alison wasn't around) Ederson made 6 errors to De Gea's 3 as well.

Our goalkeeper seems to get disproportionate heat for his mistakes while they escape the same scrutiny.
To be fair, what has those other keepers' performance got to do with De Gea and Utd?

De Gea being poor isn't justified if other keepers are poor too and besides, those other two have much better all around ability that they bring to the team.

It's harsh on De Gea after he's bailed us out in the past but his lack of fundamentals outside of shot stopping and poor form is a genuine concern and rightfully deserves to be criticised.

Also, does yesterday's parry (1st goal) and lack of closing out (3rd goal) come under these OPTA stats because that's the issue with De Gea's game.
 

Spaghetti

Mom's
Joined
Aug 15, 2012
Messages
1,463
Location
Barcelona
I don’t watch a lot of City but they don’t concede many goals.
I watch a bit more of Liverpool so I’d say definitely not Allison.

Based on not very much, Ederson is my pick. And thanks to the OP for giving me a laugh by naming Pickford in the list :)
 

sullydnl

Ross Kemp's caf ID
Joined
Sep 13, 2012
Messages
34,063
To be fair, what has those other keepers' performance got to do with De Gea and Utd?

De Gea being poor isn't justified if other keepers are poor too and besides, those other two have much better all around ability that they bring to the team.

It's harsh on De Gea after he's bailed us out in the past but his lack of fundamentals outside of shot stopping and poor form is a genuine concern and rightfully deserves to be criticised.

Also, does yesterday's parry (1st goal) and lack of closing out (3rd goal) come under these OPTA stats because that's the issue with De Gea's game.
I believe the first goal yesterday was indeed counted as an error for De Gea.

In this context I'm not defending De Gea's general play, just pointing out that his errors get heavily scrutinised while those of Ederson and Alison (who have both made more than him over the last few years) don't, or at least not to the same degree. Which seems relevant as they're being proclaimed the best in the league.
 

Member 101269

Guest
Interesting discussion; goal keeping isn’t what it was. If Ederson is the best it isn’t for goal keeping it’s for defending you isn’t a good keeper
 
Last edited by a moderator:

gazbradley

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Dec 29, 2020
Messages
170
Always think best keeper is a hard one to judge. The best keeper for a top side might not necessarily be the best for sides lower down. Ederson is a perfect example of this, his ability on the ball is second to none and perfect for the way city play but stick him in Burnley’s team and he’d probably look poor.
I like Pope, seems good at the traditional goalkeeping and looks to want to improve the modern parts of the game, hopefully Henderson will be in the conversation in the next couple of years
 

tomaldinho1

Full Member
Joined
Nov 26, 2015
Messages
17,640
I personally think it’s Ederson.

I think Pope would be exposed, similar to Pickford. I think the Liverpool collapse has proved how good VVD is.
No way, think of last season and pretty much every goal United scored. I think 3 of the 4 when we won (across two games) were all Ederson errors.

Alisson if you want a sweeper keeper - probably schmeichel for all rounder.
 

No Spring Chicken

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Oct 21, 2020
Messages
116
Thought this might be of interest, stats for the year to date among first choice goalkeepers

Shot Stopping (PSxG+/-)
Nick Pope
6.4​
Alphonse Areola
5.3​
Emiliano Martínez
4.3
Robert Sánchez
4.1​
Bernd Leno
3.6​
Hugo Lloris
3.5​
Alisson
3.3​
Kasper Schmeichel
3.1​
Illan Meslier
2.1​
Sam Johnstone
1.4​
Ederson
0.6​
Łukasz Fabiański
0.2​
Vicente Guaita
0​
Edouard Mendy
-0.7​
David de Gea
-1.3​
Karl Darlow
-1.6​
Aaron Ramsdale
-2​
Jordan Pickford
-2.9​
Alex McCarthy
-4.3​
Rui Patrício
-5.6​
Sweeping (% interventions)
Alisson
1.39​
Nick Pope
1.24​
Ederson
0.9​
Alex McCarthy
0.81​
Edouard Mendy
0.78​
Bernd Leno
0.69​
Robert Sánchez
0.67​
Illan Meslier
0.65​
Aaron Ramsdale
0.64​
Alphonse Areola
0.62​
Sam Johnstone
0.62​
Jordan Pickford
0.53​
Emiliano Martínez
0.5
Kasper Schmeichel
0.45​
Vicente Guaita
0.45​
Hugo Lloris
0.43​
Łukasz Fabiański
0.36​
David de Gea
0.34​
Karl Darlow
0.09​
Rui Patrício
0.05​
% of crosses taken​
Nick Pope
13.1​
Alphonse Areola
12​
Aaron Ramsdale
10.3​
Karl Darlow
9.3​
Alisson
8.7​
Emiliano Martínez
8.3
Alex McCarthy
8.2​
Jordan Pickford
8.2​
Rui Patrício
8​
Kasper Schmeichel
7.6​
Sam Johnstone
7.2​
Łukasz Fabiański
6.5​
Edouard Mendy
6.1​
Robert Sánchez
6.1​
Illan Meslier
5.4​
Vicente Guaita
5.1​
Ederson
5​
Bernd Leno
4.9​
David de Gea
4.5​
Hugo Lloris
3.6​
 

criticalanalysis

Full Member
Joined
Apr 12, 2015
Messages
6,103
I believe the first goal yesterday was indeed counted as an error for De Gea.

In this context I'm not defending De Gea's general play, just pointing out that his errors get heavily scrutinised while those of Ederson and Alison (who have both made more than him over the last few years) don't, or at least not to the same degree. Which seems relevant as they're being proclaimed the best in the league.
Fair enough but then again, those other two bring more to their team even if their 'mistakes' are in the same vicinity as De Gea's.

I mean if De Gea was claiming crosses, playing sweeper, dictating play on the ground etc then the scrutiny would be less severe.

Edit: the stats above my post prove exactly that.
 

Cheimoon

Made of cheese
Scout
Joined
Jun 22, 2020
Messages
14,334
Location
Canada
Supports
no-one in particular
Posted this in the De Gea thread but perhaps belongs here instead:

This PL season, according to OPTA.

Errors leading to chances: Alison 2, Ederson 1, De Gea 0.
Errors leading to goals: Alison 2, Ederson 1, De Gea 1.
Total errors: Alison 4, Ederson 2, De Gea 1.


Since the 18/19 PL season, according to OPTA.

Errors leading to chances: Alison 7, Ederson 6, De Gea 1.
Errors leading to goals: Alison 6, Ederson 4, De Gea 8.
Total errors: Alison 13, Ederson 10, De Gea 9

In the 17/18 season (when Alison wasn't around) Ederson made 6 errors to De Gea's 3 as well.

Our goalkeeper seems to get disproportionate heat for his mistakes while they escape the same scrutiny.
That's a very limited stat though (like most single stats). For example, goals wouldn't be countes that are caused by the ball being out of reach due to bad positioning, or by the keeper not coming out to claim a cross.

Edit: Interesting what @No Spring Chicken posted above. And pretty dining for De Gea... :eek:
 

FromTheBench

Full Member
Joined
May 3, 2014
Messages
10,478
Posted this in the De Gea thread but perhaps belongs here instead:

This PL season, according to OPTA.

Errors leading to chances: Alison 2, Ederson 1, De Gea 0.
Errors leading to goals: Alison 2, Ederson 1, De Gea 1.
Total errors: Alison 4, Ederson 2, De Gea 1.


Since the 18/19 PL season, according to OPTA.

Errors leading to chances: Alison 7, Ederson 6, De Gea 1.
Errors leading to goals: Alison 6, Ederson 4, De Gea 8.
Total errors: Alison 13, Ederson 10, De Gea 9

In the 17/18 season (when Alison wasn't around) Ederson made 6 errors to De Gea's 3 as well.

Our goalkeeper seems to get disproportionate heat for his mistakes while they escape the same scrutiny.
Those two do more claims of crosses in box and sweeping off the line than De Gea and most of the errors will be doing that i would imagine.

De Gea doesn't even do that hence half his scope of errors reduces there.

Plus that stat seems limited to define what is a error.
 

Leftback99

Might have a bedwetting fetish.
Joined
Jan 11, 2015
Messages
14,304
Thought this might be of interest, stats for the year to date among first choice goalkeepers

Shot Stopping (PSxG+/-)
Nick Pope
6.4​
Alphonse Areola
5.3​
Emiliano Martínez
4.3
Robert Sánchez
4.1​
Bernd Leno
3.6​
Hugo Lloris
3.5​
Alisson
3.3​
Kasper Schmeichel
3.1​
Illan Meslier
2.1​
Sam Johnstone
1.4​
Ederson
0.6​
Łukasz Fabiański
0.2​
Vicente Guaita
0​
Edouard Mendy
-0.7​
David de Gea
-1.3​
Karl Darlow
-1.6​
Aaron Ramsdale
-2​
Jordan Pickford
-2.9​
Alex McCarthy
-4.3​
Rui Patrício
-5.6​
Sweeping (% interventions)
Alisson
1.39​
Nick Pope
1.24​
Ederson
0.9​
Alex McCarthy
0.81​
Edouard Mendy
0.78​
Bernd Leno
0.69​
Robert Sánchez
0.67​
Illan Meslier
0.65​
Aaron Ramsdale
0.64​
Alphonse Areola
0.62​
Sam Johnstone
0.62​
Jordan Pickford
0.53​
Emiliano Martínez
0.5
Kasper Schmeichel
0.45​
Vicente Guaita
0.45​
Hugo Lloris
0.43​
Łukasz Fabiański
0.36​
David de Gea
0.34​
Karl Darlow
0.09​
Rui Patrício
0.05​
% of crosses taken​
Nick Pope
13.1​
Alphonse Areola
12​
Aaron Ramsdale
10.3​
Karl Darlow
9.3​
Alisson
8.7​
Emiliano Martínez
8.3
Alex McCarthy
8.2​
Jordan Pickford
8.2​
Rui Patrício
8​
Kasper Schmeichel
7.6​
Sam Johnstone
7.2​
Łukasz Fabiański
6.5​
Edouard Mendy
6.1​
Robert Sánchez
6.1​
Illan Meslier
5.4​
Vicente Guaita
5.1​
Ederson
5​
Bernd Leno
4.9​
David de Gea
4.5​
Hugo Lloris
3.6​
The one thing De Gea had going for him is shot stopping and that was 3 years ago. Without it he's one of the worst in the PL.
 

FromTheBench

Full Member
Joined
May 3, 2014
Messages
10,478
Thought this might be of interest, stats for the year to date among first choice goalkeepers

Shot Stopping (PSxG+/-)
Nick Pope
6.4​
Alphonse Areola
5.3​
Emiliano Martínez
4.3
Robert Sánchez
4.1​
Bernd Leno
3.6​
Hugo Lloris
3.5​
Alisson
3.3​
Kasper Schmeichel
3.1​
Illan Meslier
2.1​
Sam Johnstone
1.4​
Ederson
0.6​
Łukasz Fabiański
0.2​
Vicente Guaita
0​
Edouard Mendy
-0.7​
David de Gea
-1.3​
Karl Darlow
-1.6​
Aaron Ramsdale
-2​
Jordan Pickford
-2.9​
Alex McCarthy
-4.3​
Rui Patrício
-5.6​
Sweeping (% interventions)
Alisson
1.39​
Nick Pope
1.24​
Ederson
0.9​
Alex McCarthy
0.81​
Edouard Mendy
0.78​
Bernd Leno
0.69​
Robert Sánchez
0.67​
Illan Meslier
0.65​
Aaron Ramsdale
0.64​
Alphonse Areola
0.62​
Sam Johnstone
0.62​
Jordan Pickford
0.53​
Emiliano Martínez
0.5
Kasper Schmeichel
0.45​
Vicente Guaita
0.45​
Hugo Lloris
0.43​
Łukasz Fabiański
0.36​
David de Gea
0.34​
Karl Darlow
0.09​
Rui Patrício
0.05​
% of crosses taken​
Nick Pope
13.1​
Alphonse Areola
12​
Aaron Ramsdale
10.3​
Karl Darlow
9.3​
Alisson
8.7​
Emiliano Martínez
8.3
Alex McCarthy
8.2​
Jordan Pickford
8.2​
Rui Patrício
8​
Kasper Schmeichel
7.6​
Sam Johnstone
7.2​
Łukasz Fabiański
6.5​
Edouard Mendy
6.1​
Robert Sánchez
6.1​
Illan Meslier
5.4​
Vicente Guaita
5.1​
Ederson
5​
Bernd Leno
4.9​
David de Gea
4.5​
Hugo Lloris
3.6​
Going on those stats Nick Pope has been the best easily.
 

El Jefe

Full Member
Joined
Dec 28, 2012
Messages
4,898
It's clearly Alisson IMO. He made high profile errors today but since he's been in the PL, he's been the best keeper.

He's a great shot stopper but is also dominant with crosses and usually superb at playing out from the back. No keeper in the league is as complete as him.
 

TwoSheds

More sheds (and tiles) than you, probably
Joined
Feb 12, 2014
Messages
12,903
Pope, Lloris or Martinez. Ederson is unbelievably good at passing though.
 

Infordin

Full Member
Joined
Sep 7, 2016
Messages
3,900
Supports
Barcelona
The timing of this thread is extremely unfortunate towards Alisson and even De Gea

Also, the people who are picking Lloris are insane
 

Colin Clarke

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Aug 13, 2019
Messages
146
Now that, after 18 months of scrutiny, it is clear that De Gea isn't the greatest he once was, who holds the crown for the best goalie in the current PL season?

Is it Ederson, Lloris, Pickford or Nick Pope?

Or is it someone else?

Thoughts?
At the moment I would go with Martinez off Villa. He has the most points for a keeper on Fantasy football and is a great keeper. I would have said Allison off Liverpool but he was worse today than De Gea was yesterday.
 

bsCallout

New Member
Joined
Dec 21, 2017
Messages
4,278
Thought this might be of interest, stats for the year to date among first choice goalkeepers

Shot Stopping (PSxG+/-)
Nick Pope
6.4​
Alphonse Areola
5.3​
Emiliano Martínez
4.3
Robert Sánchez
4.1​
Bernd Leno
3.6​
Hugo Lloris
3.5​
Alisson
3.3​
Kasper Schmeichel
3.1​
Illan Meslier
2.1​
Sam Johnstone
1.4​
Ederson
0.6​
Łukasz Fabiański
0.2​
Vicente Guaita
0​
Edouard Mendy
-0.7​
David de Gea
-1.3​
Karl Darlow
-1.6​
Aaron Ramsdale
-2​
Jordan Pickford
-2.9​
Alex McCarthy
-4.3​
Rui Patrício
-5.6​
Sweeping (% interventions)
Alisson
1.39​
Nick Pope
1.24​
Ederson
0.9​
Alex McCarthy
0.81​
Edouard Mendy
0.78​
Bernd Leno
0.69​
Robert Sánchez
0.67​
Illan Meslier
0.65​
Aaron Ramsdale
0.64​
Alphonse Areola
0.62​
Sam Johnstone
0.62​
Jordan Pickford
0.53​
Emiliano Martínez
0.5
Kasper Schmeichel
0.45​
Vicente Guaita
0.45​
Hugo Lloris
0.43​
Łukasz Fabiański
0.36​
David de Gea
0.34​
Karl Darlow
0.09​
Rui Patrício
0.05​
% of crosses taken​
Nick Pope
13.1​
Alphonse Areola
12​
Aaron Ramsdale
10.3​
Karl Darlow
9.3​
Alisson
8.7​
Emiliano Martínez
8.3
Alex McCarthy
8.2​
Jordan Pickford
8.2​
Rui Patrício
8​
Kasper Schmeichel
7.6​
Sam Johnstone
7.2​
Łukasz Fabiański
6.5​
Edouard Mendy
6.1​
Robert Sánchez
6.1​
Illan Meslier
5.4​
Vicente Guaita
5.1​
Ederson
5​
Bernd Leno
4.9​
David de Gea
4.5​
Hugo Lloris
3.6​
Wow. Get Pope in.