You should probably add the final position of each year as well.
But he still has to do better than 2nd 86 points 68 goals scored, to be considered an improvement. And win the Europa.
How many times did we bottle when it matters most ? It comes from the manager.Literally the only stat you've got.
We must watch different matches and thinking people differently. I thought we controlled that match against Everton bar brain farts for the goals. And Ole a loser? Come on
81 points. And Mourinho didn't win a single trophy in his second season. And his football was piss boring. And things went straight to hell immediately after.
Everton had more big chances created and was running through our midfield for fun in the second half. What did we create in the second half apart from McT’s goal ? Not much.We must watch different matches and thinking people differently. I thought we controlled that match against Everton bar brain farts for the goals. And Ole a loser? Come on
The Everton match? I thought they had the 3 shots on goal and 3 goals, mainly from mistakes.
Solskajer's a loser? The man's probably won more than our entire team combined.
As a player. Big difference
He is the reason we got to the semi finals too.. Unless we had a different manager to get us there that only you know of.
If comparing points across two different seasons isn't wise, what do you think should be evaluated? Distance in points from the champion?
I think you can only compare relative performances in campaigns yes, for example Ole's relative performance last season vs his relative performance this season.
Do you find our performances entertaining? I'll accept we have some really entertaining ones like our last 2 games. But still we have some boredom fests such as against Arsenal, Chelsea, Sheffield, etc. Its not as if we are a entertainment machine, we still produce very dull performances.
Yes I agree there more good than bad, all Im saying is that eventhough there's more good than bad its not good enough. Im not calling Ole a PE teacher or the worst manager in the league, all Im saying is that he's not between the best. We need someone who is.
So Ole should get credit then, since we actually played some very good football in this game. Our first half was world class in pressing and retention. Moving the ball very well and creating chances. I’m not sure Axel was brought on for his heading, because Everton tried to move the ball. Although I would want Matic myself, it would be totall hypocrisy pretending this sub overshadowed the personal mistakes and how well we controlled the game. Even got back on the front foot after a bad start to the second half. But you are right! Everyone push their own agenda..
Chelsea spent buckets more and are below, Spurs still have a good squad and a more accomplished manager (and are still below), Leicester are the mark of consistency in the Premier League bar City of course, and they are also still below.
We probably do but no manager is going to walk in being a proven winner. Whether you wanted Poch, or want Nagalsmann/Rose etc. they will all come with their own risks anyway. So you might as well trust in Ole while he has us on an upward trajectory at least. I too believe there will be a stage where he's taken us as far as he can but I'm not sure how far away that is.
I think people really need to appreciate how good Dave was in 17/18 season when we compare ourselves to that season. Our xGA that season after 23 games was 28.36, whereas we had conceded just 16 goals. This season, our xGA is 27.40 and we've conceded 30
I don’t think every game is garunteed entertainment, it’s just a feeling that I have that I prefer watching us now and look forward to matches instead of thinking here’s another one.
3+ goal hauls in PL this season:
Its not easy to put on entertaining games this season. Even City are not as entertaining to watch as some claim. I would rather us draw bore against City, Chelsea and not lose than playing well and losing 2/3 nil like City did to Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool.
Yeah he won the famous Norwegian League great
Because we drew a match against Everton which we were leading 2-0 and dominated? Get a grip. Of course there is room for improvement, especially in organizing our defense and upgrading a regressing goalkeeper but saying Ole has lost the plot is knee jerk.
We are improving, thats what matters
The real difference between what Ole is doing and what Jose did do was that we now seem to be building something that will be sustainable.
Chelsea is totally underachieving thats why Lampard was sacked. Spurs is below what their quality should be and Leicester is overachieving in my opinion. Still I dont see why should we focus on them?
I agree, every manager is a risk but I think we have seen enough from Ole to come to the conclusion that he's not going to be a worldclass manager. Theres no shame in that, very few are. But unfortunately for him and for us we are challenging worldclass managers, so I think we need to keep searching for one until we hit gold.
We scored 1/3 of our goals in 2 games (Leeds and Southampton). Again Im not saying we are as boring as LVG football, all Im saying is when someone thinks on spectacular performances they dont think at us. We have really good entertaining games and some really dull boring games.
I totally agree, I rather win than being entertaining. Of course the magic duo is both, but I wouldnt label us as an spectacular team or anything.
Agreed, definitely has to be some easy wins for us defensively out there.
My main point is that improvement some talk about is not clear to see. Points wise is not there, and performance wise I don't see it either. I agree De Gea is a total liability in set pieces, but thats up to Ole, we have Henderson who is a much more aggressive keeper and would solve that problem.
Exactly, we been in rebuild mode since SAF left. But the difference is nobody stoped the expectations for the other managers under that premise. Everyone was asked to win, everyone but Ole. Who for some reason has been given a free pass because were in a rebuild.
Hard to disagree with you, I do think he's building a team for the future. My point is that that team from the future should be managed by a wordclass manager. No disrespect to Ole but I dont think he is or will be worldclass.
But we've scored 3+ goals most number of times as well, so if we are boring then other teams are also boring, in which football might not be the sport for you.
I agree with you, Im not saying all the other teams are spectacular and we are a boredom fest. I wouldnt just label us as particullary entertaining that all, not at least to the level to say that its a highlight of Ole's ternure here. Like saying in a decade "remember how entertaining we were under Ole? those were the good days". Not even close.
I mean if you don't find this season entertaining, then that's your opinion. Honestly, I feel we've been a good watch ever since the Arsenal loss at the very least.
Well I think its a matter of opinion, I wouldnt call us a boring team but wouldnt call us spectacular either. But maybe Im setting the bar really high, for me spectacular is our 2007/2008 team, or Bayern under Heynckes, Barca under Pep or Liverpool with Klopp. Thats what I mean when I say its worthy to highlight a team for their spectacularity. I dont think we are even close to that level of spectacle currently.
Youre setting the bar as low as it can get, specially LVG I would rather see informertials than those matches. Cant remember how many times I felt sleep watching us under LVG, the matches starting at 5-6 a.m. didnt help but feck me that was as boring as it can get.
Yeah, I don't disagree. It was horrible.
You really see the negative in everything. Every post.
