I think he deserves a starting run presently. He looked very assured tonight and I want to see what impact having a proactive keeper has on our backline.
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So many occasions tonight were he came out to claim a cross or set piece where if De Gea had of been in goal it would have been left up to the defenders.
It's not just about the actual claim, it's about possession, if your keeper comes to claim the ball then you also have possession/control of the ball.
If you leave it to your defenders then even if they happen to win the header then it could still fall to an opposition player and you're instantly under pressure again, this is exactly what happens with De Gea pretty much every time a cross comes near him.
If this sounds a bit simple or basic then that's because it is, which is why I'm so baffled that the £375,000 a week statue gets away with not doing it.
It's not just about the actual claim, it's about possession, if your keeper comes to claim the ball then you also have possession/control of the ball.
If you leave it to your defenders then even if they happen to win the header then it could still fall to an opposition player and you're instantly under pressure again, this is exactly what happens with De Gea pretty much every time a cross comes near him.
If this sounds a bit simple or basic then that's because it is, which is why I'm so baffled that the £375,000 a week statue gets away with not doing it.
I mean, then2 fks aren't remotely similar. Everton just about reached the box and there was flick on. Ddg comes for that fk as well I think due to the flight of it
Dealt with 2 low crosses across the 6 yard, caught one and punched the other to safety rather than flap a floppy hand at it straight to the opposition.
Start him Saturday
Let's be honest if De Gea plays in the weekend it due to name only which at this point is ridiculous.
Deano deserves a run for two reasons. One De Geas isn't doing well so he can't do much worse and two he is demonstrating that he is notably better at coming for crosses.
This is De Geas biggest weakness and a contributing factor to the fact we can defend set plays.
Add that to the fact De Geas save percentage is terrible there is no reason to not give Henderson a run.
Deano deserves a run for two reasons. One De Geas isn't doing well so he can't do much worse and two he is demonstrating that he is notably better at coming for crosses.
This is De Geas biggest weakness and a contributing factor to the fact we can defend set plays.
Add that to the fact De Geas save percentage is terrible there is no reason to not give Henderson a run.
Didn't have much to do but he was solid when he needed to be. Came for crosses that he should and a good punch that got some distance in a similar situation as De Gea was weak in against Everton.
Yeah when he made that punch I thought to myself why couldn't you have been in goal on Sat when we were 2-0 up, then even had the balls to beat that West Ham attacker with the ball at his feet late in extra time too whilst still only 1-0. There is no doubt he will be tested much more than the game tonight but his handling seemed very assured particularly when he came and collected that free kick into the box.
I don't think he's quite up to it, but he is better than De Gea and should at least get the rest of the season to stake a claim for #1.
Start him.
A keeper that actually comes for crosses. Imagine that.
Yeah makes you feel more confident doesn't he
So nobody has a gif of his Messi impersonation at the end?
I think he is. He was possibly the best keeper in the PL last season (definitely one of the best with Alisson and Pope), and without him, Sheff Utd have dropped from 9th to 20th.
With us, he’s only made one mistake, remained solid throughout including some top class saves against Luton, Brighton and Sheff Utd and actually isn’t a complete coward who can come for crosses and ‘fight’ the attackers in the air. He can overplay sometimes (I did like the cojones to dribble in the 119th minute at only 1-0 though), but he’ll be able to cut that out as he gets older. He can also distribute well.
The guy’s got the lot and will improve. I want him to be our keeper for the next 15 years.
I thought this was the Dean Henderson thread? Grow up.
Dean played well yesterday, assured performance and a clean sheet.
Thought he was excellent last night. Didn't have much to do but really didn't put a foot wrong.
The fact he actually come off his lines makes a massive, massive difference. Takes so much pressure off the team.
Should start at the weekend.
The fact he actually come off his lines makes a massive, massive difference. Takes so much pressure off the team.
Should start at the weekend.
I wouldn’t mind seeing him start against West Brom because let’s face it they’ll be targeting De Gea and that really gives me the fear whereas with Henderson you just know he isn’t going to get bullied so easily.
Whether Ole sees it like that though is another matter.
Whether Ole sees it like that though is another matter.
Had a good game last night. Done what was asked of him well.
I'd like to see him get a run of games to see if he can stake a claim. That's the only way we are going to find out if he is good enough long term.
I'd like to see him get a run of games to see if he can stake a claim. That's the only way we are going to find out if he is good enough long term.
Yeah very different free kicks. May DDG could close down DCL quicker but there's no way he could have come caught the ball.
Clean sheet yesterday. Time OGS gave him a run.
The thing with Henderson is that his reflexes wont be as good and we will probably let a goal from open play.
However, we will be better off from corners and in general having a goalkeeper that atleast tries to control his box.
Henderson is exceptionally young and is the type of goalkeeper that gets better with significant age and experience. De gea is the opposite getting worse due to agility and reflexes being something that goes down with age.
Hope we give him the chance to grow rather than benching him as soon as a goal goes in (unless it's big mistakes).
However, we will be better off from corners and in general having a goalkeeper that atleast tries to control his box.
Henderson is exceptionally young and is the type of goalkeeper that gets better with significant age and experience. De gea is the opposite getting worse due to agility and reflexes being something that goes down with age.
Hope we give him the chance to grow rather than benching him as soon as a goal goes in (unless it's big mistakes).
While barely tested, it was a calm performance from him.
Think he deserves a chance till the end of the season now and see what he does before deciding if we need to dip into the market. That way providing he stays fit we can judge off approximately another 20-25 games this season, depending on how far we go in the Europa League and FA Cup and if we will then play DDG as the cup keeper if Henderson becomes our PL keeper.
What is clear however is that he is a United fan who will do what it takes to make it at this club. He will definitely be more of a vocal leader than DDG ever was and from what I have seen, while not as great as other top goalkeepers, his distribution is better than Dave too. Oh and also he isn't glued to his goal-line unable to claim any loose balls...
Think he deserves a chance till the end of the season now and see what he does before deciding if we need to dip into the market. That way providing he stays fit we can judge off approximately another 20-25 games this season, depending on how far we go in the Europa League and FA Cup and if we will then play DDG as the cup keeper if Henderson becomes our PL keeper.
What is clear however is that he is a United fan who will do what it takes to make it at this club. He will definitely be more of a vocal leader than DDG ever was and from what I have seen, while not as great as other top goalkeepers, his distribution is better than Dave too. Oh and also he isn't glued to his goal-line unable to claim any loose balls...
Solid performance. Nothing outstanding, but did the basics, very proactive, looked comfortable with the ball and strong in the air. Decent.
Long term, I'm not sure Henderson is the answer, but I'd like to see him genuinely compete with De Gea in the short term and see what that brings. It seems to be the only position on the pitch where this doesn't happen other than cup rotation. I see no real benefit of sticking with De Gea every week just because he's De Gea, because his stats are very poor this season. Henderson has done well, so give him the next few games, see how he does.
If a keeper knows a couple of poor games will see him lose his position, you'd imagine it lights a fire under them.
Long term, I'm not sure Henderson is the answer, but I'd like to see him genuinely compete with De Gea in the short term and see what that brings. It seems to be the only position on the pitch where this doesn't happen other than cup rotation. I see no real benefit of sticking with De Gea every week just because he's De Gea, because his stats are very poor this season. Henderson has done well, so give him the next few games, see how he does.
If a keeper knows a couple of poor games will see him lose his position, you'd imagine it lights a fire under them.
I genuinely must be missing something why are so many people saying they don't trust him etc? He's not really put a foot wrong aside from one error.
I didnt like it. He should have just prodded it to nobody in the space like DDG did vs Sheff United since apparently thats the only thing that can happen. Or so I read in some places.
I keep reading that Henderson is not the answer. Whether that is the case, we wont know until he gets a run of games.
What we do know however, after the 2 year dip, is that DDG is not as good as he once was and has regressed overall, but he can be be as good as he was (a few games here and there) but thats not enough.
We need to do what Chelsea did a few years ago when they replaced Cech with Courtois. We need to do the same
Exactly, one (albeit bad) error and people say he's had his chance. Whereas Dave has made plenty of errors over the past few seasons and keeps being picked.
A run of games will surely allow that all important confidence factor to be built up in the case of Henderson
He's solid in the air - not among the elite at claiming crosses - like Pope for example - but solid nonetheless. The contrast with De Gea is of course enormous - he's among the aerially weakest keepers around.
He's a very good shot stopper (again, not quite elite like Oblak or peak De Gea), but very good.
The area where we haven't really seen enough of him to judge is his distribution - at Sheffield United he was clearly instructed to keep things simple and hoof it long (last season, 78% of his passes and 97% of his goal kicks were longer than 40 yards - both figures were the highest in the Premier League - compare that to someone like Ederson who kicks it long only 24% of the time). Solskjaer doesn't seem particularly focussed on building up from the back, but Henderson will be required to do more of it than he has been used to.
The other area where we need to have a look at him is his his ability to sweep up in behind the defence. Once again, his time at Sheffield (where he was bottom half of the league for defensive actions outside his penalty area) is probably not a fair way to judge him. Solskjaer is never going to be as insistent on a high line as some of his contemporaries, but this will again be something Henderson needs to add to his game if we wants to be top keeper at a side that wants to press high up the field and win possession early.
I do agree that he needs to be given a proper chance of nailing down the #1 spot and with De Gea's wretched form, I'd start Henderson for remainder of the season to show what he can (or indeed can't) do.
It is time to pass the mantle to Dean but we need to be a little bit clever with how we approach it. I would certainly give him a few more PL games through the remainder of the season but publicly we have to maintain the illusion the DDG is number one until the transfer window opens. I doubt the market for Dave is going to be more than tepid but if we clearly signal he is done here then we will be screwed on any transfer. Cross your fingers Dave is spectacular at the Euros and PSG decide to throw money at us.
I'd play him until the end of the season. We need to find out if he's the real deal or not. He's to good to be sitting on the bench, and if he's not good enough to start he needs to move on.
No chance. DDG never comes for those.
Should be starting against WBA.
They'll be pumping long balls and he's a hell of a lot more confident in the air than DDG.
West Ham had a long ball free kick at the end of the match just like Everton did, and he came out and caught it like it was nothing. Wish DDG still had that bravery.
They'll be pumping long balls and he's a hell of a lot more confident in the air than DDG.
West Ham had a long ball free kick at the end of the match just like Everton did, and he came out and caught it like it was nothing. Wish DDG still had that bravery.
Genuinely believe he's a top keeper. People forget how young he is too. I think he gives that defence so much more confidence.
If I was Dean I’d be working proper hard on my aerial game, catching and commanding the box. It’s his best way to oust De Gea by far.
Hopefully Dean is given a run of 5 or 10 games, we need to try our options at this point.
Agree with this. He is a proactive keeper who showed his quality last season. He will only get much better from here.
I really like what DDG did for us, in the past. But unfortunately his best years were when we were at our worst post fergie. Maybe that helped cos it was him being attacked left right and centre so he could show off his saving ability. But his issues are when we arent attacked all game, and then that one or two (or three vs Everton) that the opposition have an attack, he loses concentration.
The ridiculous defending of De Gea's mistakes. He's our Pepe Reina nowadays.
Henderson deserves his chance and a run. With WBA next, that would be perfect.
I agree. But I doubt Ole does. At the very least he should play this weekend. Next is Europa anyway, where he's likely to play, so get a few games in a row. And WBA will definitely target DDG. Big Sam doesn't miss such opportunities.
I think some people underestimate just how big a weapon it is when your goalkeeper can gobble up crosses and dominate the box. It’s an understated weapon, certainly.
At the moment, Maguire and Lindelof have to win pretty much every cross that goes into our box. That isn’t really sustainable and the maths will tell you that you will ultimately concede more goals.
Take the free kick clip that has been posted on the previous page: If Henderson doesn’t collect that ball then Maguire has to win the header at the back post. That means the ball is still in circulation and there is still a chance West Ham get a break from the clearance. De Gea just absolves himself of all responsibility and leaves it up to the defenders. This is more or less every cross in every game.
Henderson might not have the reflexes De Gea has but I’m struggling to think of many goalkeepers that ever have. He’s still a solid pair of hands and more than capable of some great saves. We aren’t finding another De Gea in terms of shot stopping so we have to reevaluate our expectations and address the glaring issues our current #1 has. Henderson coming in might go some way towards doing that
At the moment, Maguire and Lindelof have to win pretty much every cross that goes into our box. That isn’t really sustainable and the maths will tell you that you will ultimately concede more goals.
Take the free kick clip that has been posted on the previous page: If Henderson doesn’t collect that ball then Maguire has to win the header at the back post. That means the ball is still in circulation and there is still a chance West Ham get a break from the clearance. De Gea just absolves himself of all responsibility and leaves it up to the defenders. This is more or less every cross in every game.
Henderson might not have the reflexes De Gea has but I’m struggling to think of many goalkeepers that ever have. He’s still a solid pair of hands and more than capable of some great saves. We aren’t finding another De Gea in terms of shot stopping so we have to reevaluate our expectations and address the glaring issues our current #1 has. Henderson coming in might go some way towards doing that
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