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I like to see him with Cavani up top and see how he does. Also at somepoint him and bruno in the same XI. Maybe at home games against so called easier opposition.it’s because our forwards aren’t consistently good at passing or creating space and chances. They also ignore his runs a lot and chose the more selfish route. In lots of games this season they look just like 3 random strikers thrown on the pitch to nick a result without much thought for chemistry and balance. I don’t see the unity in the play. It also didn’t help that our best player is rarely on the pitch with him. We are always useless without Bruno these days VDB probably isn’t going to come in and thrive in a situation like that. He needs to start getting games as the season goes on but he’s not gelling well enough to get the minutes he needs. No panic from me. If he doesn’t gel better next season I’m sure he’ll move on.
He was purchased as he was a "bargain" at £40mil. A player who was due to sign for Real Madrid until Covid happened. Not for one moment do i think he was a Ole request. I think the club knew Pogba was going to leave, didnt want to be held to ransom when he did and bought DVB as a replacement. Not a direct replacement as they are different types of player but as a replacement for the longer term. Give him a season to settle in.How come people believe that VdB was forced onto Ole by the Board? Why on Earth would they spend a lot of money in a player who is not really needed during pandemic time? I am sure VdB has been purchased at Ole's request and thus Ole does need to bear responsibility for getting the most out of him. As Ole himself said previously no player can come into the team or leave it without his final say.
Yeah, I would ignore such speculation. But he always said VDB would need time to adjust and, it seems, Ole knew what he was talking about.How come people believe that VdB was forced onto Ole by the Board? Why on Earth would they spend a lot of money in a player who is not really needed during pandemic time? I am sure VdB has been purchased at Ole's request and thus Ole does need to bear responsibility for getting the most out of him. As Ole himself said previously no player can come into the team or leave it without his final say.
It's odd. I don't know why we needed that sort of player considering we already have Bruno. A more playmaking AM would have added so much more.This.
Complaining about him not being a playmaker is just talking about the wrong player.
He needs to play with a playmaker and creative players in the team because VDB is a clinical player in the final third who makes runs as a shadow striker.
That's why people say he suits teams with a system, able to control possession and play at their own tempo. We are largely the opposite, our most creative player plays as an AM (not deep) whilst we value the counterattack when we dont have the ball and when we do have the ball we are trying to get the ball to our most capable player like Rashford and Bruno Fernandes to dribble past the defensive line or create something or shoot on site. VDB is making the runs as a shadow striker but our players dont see him just as much as the opposition dont (arguably not having the passing ability to reach him from deep either ie Fred & Mctomminay vs De Jong) and leaves him looking like he is running away from the ball all the time.
I'd suggest anyone that still doesn't get this go watch even 2 minutes of his Ajax highlights because it's obvious what he brings and what he won't deliver.He can settle until the we've all been washed away by rising sea levels, Donny van de Beek always does what he did in all his matches for United so far. He plays a short and riskfree pass to a team mate and runs towards the box. It has nothing to do with settling in. That's just what he does and all he does. It's what he did at Ajax too. He's not a classical 10, he's most definitely not a 6 or whatever a defensive midfielder is called, he just complemented Ajax'playstyle with Tadic as a false 9 who would drop deeper and switch positions with him. That's why he keeps getting in the way of Cavani / Martial / Rashford.
He's not a bad player (nor a very good player), he just has an extremely limited toolkit which is not suited for this level. I hope he can somehow add some more dimensions to his game, but the way he place does not have anything to do with him having to settle. it's like expecting Robben to stop cutting inside once he's settled in a bit. Not going to happen.
That's exactly what he is and the player I was expecting Donny to be.
Watching his goals for Ajax, he does come across as a penalty box predator. More of a shadow striker than a playmaker.
That's always been his playstyle. At Ajax he was a sort of bumper between De Jong and Tadic / Ziyech. De Jong plays it to him he bumps it to Ziyech, runs into the box gets it back and scores or taps it to someone else who scores. He will never be the one to play the incisive pass or dribble past a player. He works well in tandem with a ball retaining striker he likes to receive the ball with the back to the goal and link up with an oncoming Vd Beek. This type of play is obviously not suited to the way United are set up and you'd be crazy to tailor your team to Donny vd Beek as he's simply not that good.Definitely needs time. I've got plenty of patience with him still and I like the things he can offer.
Seems odd how rarely he runs with the ball though. Seems to almost be a bumper that people can pass it into and get it back but I never really see him running with it. Always seems to play the pass from exactly where he received it.
Tha'ts because he is.
Watching his goals for Ajax, he does come across as a penalty box predator. More of a shadow striker than a playmaker.
We saw it on his debut as well vs Crystal palace.Watching his goals for Ajax, he does come across as a penalty box predator. More of a shadow striker than a playmaker.
That will always be the narrative while he flatters to deceive.How come people believe that VdB was forced onto Ole by the Board? Why on Earth would they spend a lot of money in a player who is not really needed during pandemic time? I am sure VdB has been purchased at Ole's request and thus Ole does need to bear responsibility for getting the most out of him. As Ole himself said previously no player can come into the team or leave it without his final say.
If he's intelligent enough as a footballer (which he clearly is), maybe he can reinvent himself in a new role. I can see him playing in a sort of Carrick/Xavi sort of role if he learns to discipline himself a bit better with regards to all the runs he makes. Not running around flying into tackles, but receiving the ball from defenders and making 100% sure the ball progresses. This was what he did and did extremely well against Leipzig when we won 5-0.He can settle until the we've all been washed away by rising sea levels, Donny van de Beek always does what he did in all his matches for United so far. He plays a short and riskfree pass to a team mate and runs towards the box. It has nothing to do with settling in. That's just what he does and all he does. It's what he did at Ajax too. He's not a classical 10, he's most definitely not a 6 or whatever a defensive midfielder is called, he just complemented Ajax'playstyle with Tadic as a false 9 who would drop deeper and switch positions with him. That's why he keeps getting in the way of Cavani / Martial / Rashford.
He's not a bad player (nor a very good player), he just has an extremely limited toolkit which is not suited for this level. I hope he can somehow add some more dimensions to his game, but the way he place does not have anything to do with him having to settle. it's like expecting Robben to stop cutting inside once he's settled in a bit. Not going to happen.
Based on the media reports around the time he signed, which heavily indicated that Ole saw him playing as a #10 and being a goal threat, I think our scouting team knew what they were getting.That's always been his playstyle. At Ajax he was a sort of bumper between De Jong and Tadic / Ziyech. De Jong plays it to him he bumps it to Ziyech, runs into the box gets it back and scores or taps it to someone else who scores. He will never be the one to play the incisive pass or dribble past a player. He works well in tandem with a ball retaining striker he likes to receive the ball with the back to the goal and link up with an oncoming Vd Beek. This type of play is obviously not suited to the way United are set up and you'd be crazy to tailor your team to Donny vd Beek as he's simply not that good.
Sometimes I really wonder how football scouts do their job.
He's a bright kid for sure, but you also need the physical talent to reinvent yourself. Louis van Gaal's teammates at Sparta famously said that Louis saw every opportunity for a brilliant pass, but his feet simply couldn't make it happen, because he was shit.If he's intelligent enough as a footballer (which he clearly is), maybe he can reinvent himself in a new role. I can see him playing in a sort of Carrick/Xavi sort of role if he learns to discipline himself a bit better with regards to all the runs he makes. Not running around flying into tackles, but receiving the ball from defenders and making 100% sure the ball progresses. This was what he did and did extremely well against Leipzig when we won 5-0.
Everyone's played with someone like that. It's so rare to see someone with the brains and the physique. Imagine Juan Mata's brain in Romelu Lukaku's body for instance! The closest person to Donny in possible playstyle is, ironically, Juan Mata but that seems to be a type of player that doesn't really get utilised anymore.He's a bright kid for sure, but you also need the physical talent to reinvent yourself. Louis van Gaal's teammates at Sparta famously said that Louis saw every opportunity for a brilliant pass, but his feet simply couldn't make it happen, because he was shit.
Which begs the question — why on earth did we sign him?At Ajax he was never involved in the build up.. He was a very clean and neat player in the final phase of the field, where he was very aggressive and clinical (also in the small spaces) towards the goal. However the build up was fully handled by Frenkie, Daley (Lasse Schone to a lesser extent) and Ziyech higher up the field.
I dont get why anyone here claims he is or should be a playmaker? Thats not who you bought?
That would be like asking Poga to manmark Mbappe for 90 minutes
Completely disagree. Juan Mata had dribbling ability and the technique for a pass in a way van De Beek never will. Maybe a less physical Aaron Ramsey is a closer comparison.Everyone's played with someone like that. It's so rare to see someone with the brains and the physique. Imagine Juan Mata's brain in Romelu Lukaku's body for instance! The closest person to Donny in possible playstyle is, ironically, Juan Mata but that seems to be a type of player that doesn't really get utilised anymore.
We have a transfer board, we ALL know this now.He was purchased as he was a "bargain" at £40mil. A player who was due to sign for Real Madrid until Covid happened. Not for one moment do i think he was a Ole request. I think the club knew Pogba was going to leave, didnt want to be held to ransom when he did and bought DVB as a replacement. Not a direct replacement as they are different types of player but as a replacement for the longer term. Give him a season to settle in.
I was just about to add that to my post.I reckon against the weaker sides I'd like to see VdB play with McT or Fred in the midfield with Bruno in front. I think we would get better use out of VdB from a deeper position rather than further up the pitch.
What are you on about? Clubs buying players that arent in the managers own list happens all the time. Most recently Villa Boas at Marseille. Lampard at Chelsea. Emery at Arsenal.We have a transfer board, we ALL know this now.
He was clearly put forward by some members of the board and Ole chose to trust them rather than veto. That’s all.
Maybe he put Bruno forward, or maybe other members of the transfer board did? feck knows but I think it’s good there’s trust on that board, you’ll never be 100% right on signings.
We know he has a veto man, stop chatting bollocks.What are you on about? Clubs buying players that arent in the managers own list happens all the time. Most recently Villa Boas at Marseille. Lampard at Chelsea. Emery at Arsenal.
If woodward and matt judge along with the head of scouting thought DVB was too good an opportunity to pass up, they would have probably told Ole whats happening but would Ole really be able to say no? He wanted Haaland and Utd didnt do that transfer so he went to Dortmund. Mourinho had players on his list that he didnt get. Sometimes a manager doesnt agree with the scouting department targets.
Ole got Simon Wells (scout) to report to him directly at Utd. That in itself should tell you something.
