Anywhere else on the pitch and it isn't even a debate if it's a foul or not.
Refs & VAR 2020/2021 Discussion
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Spot on, how can lindelof challenge for a ball if there’s a hand in his face?
It’s ridiculous seeing players win fouls on the pitch for similar nudges etc.
Never a foul. A hand brushed his face, for feck sake. It's still a contact sport.
Contact doesn't automatically equal a foul.
The real bullshit was calling for half time during that counter.
Contact doesn't automatically equal a foul.
The real bullshit was calling for half time during that counter.
Except he wasn't trying to challenge for the ball.
Lindelof is pretty pathetic, and should have been more dominant and in control of the situation, but there's no possible way attacking the ball by covering the defenders eyes isn't unlawfully gaining an advantage. I really don't understand that one at all?
Maybe its one of those ridiculous limitations of VAR where Moss can't make any call because its not a "clear and obvious error", but the likeliest thing is that Pawson hasn't seen it.
The inconsistency in officiating this season has been a joke.
Maybe its one of those ridiculous limitations of VAR where Moss can't make any call because its not a "clear and obvious error", but the likeliest thing is that Pawson hasn't seen it.
The inconsistency in officiating this season has been a joke.
Hand pressing into entire face and using it as leverage is a foul. Which he definetly was.
Does he get there without illegally holding Lindelof back? I doubt it.
It was more of a foul than Maguires a few weeks back. And that was disallowed.
Think that says more about how stupid the Maguire decision was.
Probably came to the correct decision with that one, but how have they failed to do the basic thing of checking offside there. 
Correct decision but he looked offside & they didn’t even check that?!
What a bloody farce
Offside and a foul, VAR got neither.
That’s how VAR should work. Send the ref over if there’s any kind of doubt. None of this clear and obvious stuff.
The "foul" didn't seem like a clear and obvious error. There is an arm on Harry's shoulder, he just doesn't go down like a sniper has taken him out like Mo Salah. It did however look offside, but they didn't check it. Weird
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Basically the offside offence only occurs when Maguire gets involved in play, so if the foul was deemed to occur before he had tried to play or challenge for the ball then it would be a penalty. Pretty damn subjective at what point he's challenging for the ball though.
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Basically the offside offence only occurs when Maguire gets involved in play, so if the foul was deemed to occur before he had tried to play or challenge for the ball then it would be a penalty. Pretty damn subjective at what point he's challenging for the ball though.
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Two decisions there clear as day on camera and they get both wrong. Three today and all wrong so far. It's not VAR that's the problem.
It's just mind boggling that the commentators, the director and anyone at home can clearly see what should happen (give offside, don't even worry about it being a foul or not), yet the highly paid professionals in the referee booth are completely off the mark! Yet again. Do they only have a radio in there or something?
Exactly. That’s why I get so annoyed when people say VAR is rubbish. If used correctly it would work. Referees don’t know what they’re are doing. Should be a full time job, with people as fit as the players. I can’t understand how you can have someone as fat as Jon Moss refereeing top level sport.
What does being fat have to do with it? Unless you've become blind due to diabetes, anyone could have gotten that right if they had been looking at the right footage
How can this industry accept shocking decisions every week. There need to be questions asked in tv. Why not getting every referee explain decisions after every game. You really can't understand why and how they are making decisions they make.
They seem to just make up rules every game.
They seem to just make up rules every game.
He's obviously challenging for the ball. It's another example of Johnson trying to twist the laws beyond all sense.
Because it’s a clear sign he’s not fit enough to ref a match. He can’t keep up with play. Anyone involved in top level football, on the pitch, shouldn’t have a waist like he does.
Thought they could only change it if it was clear and obvious.. It clearly wasn't an obvious error.
It depends on what the ref initially thought happened. If he thought the WBA defender had tripped Maguire then it is an obvious error
Yeah I long for the day one of our forwards gets away with grabbing hold of a defenders face and covering their eyes and getting away with it. Same lad later fouled Harry and once again got away with it. Some bizarre decisions in that game, VAR was pretty useless once more.
Peekaboo is not a foul?
It's about as clear a foul as you can expect. Not that we'd have won anyway
"Brushed his face". He has his fecking hand covering Lindeloefs eyes
That's amazing.Premier league surely putting a statement out later again. It's obviously a mistake not to just give the offside. Further review of the supposed foul after was wrong.
That's mental. Was it even looked at"Brushed his face". He has his fecking hand covering Lindeloefs eyes
Arsenal - Leeds. VAR involved and referee changed his penalty decision. Don’t understand why it wasn’t a penalty. At least it wasn’t a clear and obvious mistake by the referee. Why does VAR intervene in situations like that?
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That really shows up how poor VAR can be. Shockkng decision.
Bloody hell that's a foul.
How.does var not spot that
I guess if its Klopp,Pep etc they coach their players to go over in a heap. We are punished for not cheating or complaining to the refs.
Obviously it's a foul, but if you pause at 0.01, that has to be the longest human arm I've ever seen.
He bashes him on the back of the head his forearm before he covers Lindelof's eyes with his hands.
We'll probably get a note in a couple of weeks saying it was the wrong decision, so it's ok.
A draw was a fair result, but we're naturally going to compare contentious aerial duels to Maguire vs Burnley, and this one was a much clearer foul.
We'll probably get a note in a couple of weeks saying it was the wrong decision, so it's ok.
A draw was a fair result, but we're naturally going to compare contentious aerial duels to Maguire vs Burnley, and this one was a much clearer foul.