Why the heck #OLEOUT is trending again?

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We struggle against weak teams and park the bus against strong teams. How it is trending?? How??
 

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I'd make peace with that happening no matter what. The very people who said we'd struggle will now complain that we didn't win the league. If we won the league they'd say it was because other teams were off the boil. It's a self fulfilling righteousness that makes you wonder when they actually enjoy the sport.

Saying that I'm generally very pro ole, but stumbling over the line to 4th from where we were in December would be really concerning. 32 points or so from the last 42, with a cup would be good and would mean we could really enjoy looking back on the season barring a terrible blip
Would generally agree with your 2nd paragraph, I think it’s got to be a solid top 4 finish with a marked improvement in play. Not a last ditch attempt after countless games where the result may as well simply be a flip of a coin.

That’s what concerns me, how many games in the league can you look back on this season and say the result was never in doubt, probably count on one hand.

For all the talk of champions winning scrappy, that’s in the minority of the games, not the vast majority...
 
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How can we expect to challenge for the title without a title quality squad? Why do we expect United to do much better than Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham and Leicester without a significant better squad?
Back here again really? We just went full circle.

Our squad is miles better than Leicesters and Spurs ffs, as I said 12 hours ago, Spurs squad is so shit it looks likely to get another manager sacked, the second in 15 months, they picked up just 59 points last season.

And no-one expected a title challenge this season, so that’s just more strawmans to add to your basket.
 

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Let’s be honest here we are very close to dropping out the top four after being miles ahead of 5th. We have dropped 7 points against Sheffield United, West Brom, Arsenal and lost 2 points to another last minute equaliser. It was a favourable run of games where we have dropped 9 points.

The football at times is dire. I don’t think we dominate teams like other top sides but when you have top class players like Bruno, he bails you out quite a lot.

I think we are suffering from fatigue now. Ole has barely rotated in the league, and some of the players look knackered. Players like De Gea, Maguire, Rashford and Martial are Ole’s favourites. All four have had questionable form throughout the season but are never dropped.

Social media always overreact. When we were top we had daft threads started apologising to Ole. I said at the time I’d rather celebrate if we won a trophy at the end of the season. I got called miserable when in fact I was being realistic. A few weeks later we are now on a downward trajectory again. That has been Ole’s tenure, lots of ups and downs. He’s doing better than I expected but this season in particular I still question:

Why we always start games so poorly. The need to come back into game was always going to cost us in the end.

The amount of goals conceded from set pieces and crosses. And knowing this is Lindelof’s biggest weakness why he always starts against teams with tall, strong forwards.

Playing strong sides in cup games knowing the fixture pile up this season. If he goes even half strength in the Europa our league form is going to fall off a cliff.

He’s right to be questioned, even if our league positions appears to be progress. It’s only progress if we actually finish 2nd at the end of the season. But can we truly be happy with that if City win the league 20 points ahead again? For some that was enough reason to sack Mourinho.
 
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Is there an Ole out thread? I don't see any. As for the squad yes we have a better squad than most clubs. Certainly much more than enough to beat teams like WBA and Sheffield United.
 

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Is there an Ole out thread? I don't see any. As for the squad yes we have a better squad than most clubs. Certainly much more than enough to beat teams like WBA and Sheffield United.
They closed it because they thought Ole is going to win the league :lol: .
 

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Would generally agree with your 2nd paragraph, I think it’s got to be a solid top 4 finish with a marked improvement in play. Not a last ditch attempt after countless games where the result may as well simply be a flip of a coin.

That’s what concerns me, how many games in the league can you look back on this season and say the result was never in doubt, probably count on one hand.

For all the talk of champions winning scrappy, that’s in the minority of the games, not the vast majority...
Ya definitely the last third of the season will be key. Very few comfortable wins its true. 3 or 4
 

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The man has to go if we have any chance of reclaiming our former glory.
It will be a while before we can reclaim our glory imho. Structural problems need higher authority to understand them and take actions to correct them. Will require Glazers to react, which they won’t. So it is what is no matter how painful it is for us
 

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It will be a while before we can reclaim our glory imho. Structural problems need higher authority to understand them and take actions to correct them. Will require Glazers to react, which they won’t. So it is what is no matter how painful it is for us
Forget about the past glory. I would be happy if we win a trophy and be in the CL this season.
As for the Glazers, they have spent a lot of money on the team. I really can't understand how Maguire and DVB came to United. On whose recommendation I wonder?
 

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Forget about the past glory. I would be happy if we win a trophy and be in the CL this season.
As for the Glazers, they have spent a lot of money on the team. I really can't understand how Maguire and DVB came to United. On whose recommendation I wonder?
Sorry to clarify I didnt state any opinion on whether Glazers have done enough so far. All I wanted to say is current situation requires them to act.. and it always should start with manager of the situation ( Thats woodward)
 

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Back here again really? We just went full circle.

Our squad is miles better than Leicesters and Spurs ffs, as I said 12 hours ago, Spurs squad is so shit it looks likely to get another manager sacked, the second in 15 months, they picked up just 59 points last season.

And no-one expected a title challenge this season, so that’s just more strawmans to add to your basket.
Nothing new, no constructive arguments = no need to reply.
 

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Nothing new, no constructive arguments = no need to reply.
You could really be describing the entire United forum with this post, sadly. Not many posters seem to be enjoy being a United fan anymore
 

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I really don’t know how long we will be stuck with him. I just think what we’ve seen this season is our limits under him, we have no chances at winning any trophies and we have been given plenty of evidence in how often we’ve bottled semi finals and other important games, his man management of the squad is particularly awful this season as well.

the worry is we will probably give him another contract extension after this season.
 

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It's very easy for the Ole out discussion to start again, mainly because he hasn't proved he's a top manager yet. You ask Liverpool fans about Klopp or City fans about Pep and you'll find the majority are not only happy with them but are confident of future success. Excluding fans like sammsky, no United fan can confidently believe we'll be winning the league or CL under Ole. There's the hope it happens, but that's all it is hope.

That's the game Ole is playing right now, every match, month and season is a trial to prove whether he's the right man. Managers at top clubs would normally have a history or body of work to fall back on when there's doubt, this is why Mourinho still had a strong following when he was struggling with us. He was a proven winner and people's belief that he could turn it around was based on this.

Ole has no such luxuries which means success has to come relatively quickly. This is what Pep, Zidane and Conte were able to do and very quickly removed all doubt that might've been present at the time of appointment. Ole has done good things but so far under his tenure what can we actually point to as evidence of him being successful? I'm not saying he's been bad but until he achieves something more meaningful than a top 4 spot, the jury will always be out with him.
 

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99% of managers inherit a shitshow and 99% do a lot less with it than Ole has. You don’t see progress, okay, but many of us do.

I rarely find us dull to watch. Lucky me, I suppose. But we’re not the finished article and I don’t think a reasonable person expects the finished article yet, is the point.
Do really 99% do a lot less than Ole has? You talk as if we had the shittiest team in the league and we are punching over our weight. We clearly have a top 4 squad (at least) in the league, and thats exactly where we at. I dont see any amazing achievement in that, its average.

To say 99% managers would do a lot less is overreacting to say the least. To call the finished article is absurd, when can you call a team the finished article besides when they win everything? Every single window teams buy and sell players, it never ends. Talking about a team in the making as if we were somehow in a different situation to other clubs is absurd.

Please detail the progress you see, Im serious. We have a way worst defensive record than last season and in attack we still depend on Bruno to create some magic. Why do you think there's clear progress? Please don't reference Mourinho's last term, we all know that was shitty and thats why he was sacked, I'm referring to progress from last season under Ole.
 

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There are varying degrees of shit show though obviously. Tuchel for example hasn't inherited one. In fact he has come in to an enviable position. A manager taking on United today wouldn't be getting a shitshow IMO. I personally don't feel that this was the case with Ole. Our squad needed a lot of work and the club needed to be stabilised. It was a hot mess.
Very debatable that one about Tuchel, some may say this United team was second the season before and only needed some peace in the dressing room to start punching again while Chelsea had a major crisis with one year without signigs followed by another of failed signings such as Kepa, Timo and Havertz. At the end of the day the so called crisis of ManUtd was the dressing room turning against Mourinho. Thats was it, its not a big deal really it happens quite often in several teams.


The problem is that our fanbase have now become very reactive to what really only amounts to small pockets of results. We have hit a rough patch, but its only very recently that we were on a run of 10W & 3D and everybody was either satisfied (to the point of giddiness) or just not posting. Right now the view is that everything is falling apart and change is essential. Its one extreme to the other.
Don't you think that kind of facts speak for themselves, I mean what does it say about a manager that had 10W and 3D and suddenly hits a rough patch and the pressure starts? I think its because those people were always doubtful but the results kept them quiet. As soon as the results are gone the doubts rise.

That's because the only thing holding faith in the manager its the results, those people (including me) can't see a coherent style nor significant improvement. Its only natural this happens specially when we all know the hot and cold rollercoaster were in under Ole. Great run for a couple of games then shitty for 2 months then back to great form and so on.

Ultimately it comes down to how an individual perceives progress. If we end up 2nd this season that is undoubtedly progress in my view, and if we keep reaching semifinals at the same rate we will very likely start to win some of those trophies, maybe even a lot of them.
I agree with the difference being how we perceive progress, if we were second because we improved then he'll yeah progress. If we end second because other teams fall behind then no.

I would rather end 3rd with a consistent style and around 85 points behind City and Liverpool rather than end second 15-20 points behind City and with all the other teams breathing down my neck. Truth is were are not clearly second, we are just 4 points away from being 5th. With our current form we could very well be 5th by end of the month.

Us finishing 3rd last season with the final game deciding weather we were 3rd or 5th say it all about if we are or not the best 3rd team in the league. If fact just as now, we are not clearly anything, we are contenders for top 4. We can end up there as easily as we can end outside. Thats how slim those margins are and why I dont think judging by we end second or whatever is a clear sign if improvement. I think its not, I think if you're not 1rst then the best way to measure improvement is how points away from being first are you.

I just dont get the constant need for evalution. Every soundbite coming out from the club since Ole day 1 has been 'long term project', and that is what this is. So far its pretty clear that the club feels that this project is on course, and I personally agree with that point of view. This is football though, so success or failure is always on a knife-edge and quite often down to very small and often uncontrollable moments, and lately we've been on the wrong side of those moments. Like 99% of all teams we arent good enough to not be affected by those incidents.

This forum has just become one giant drama queen though. People can't possibly just enjoy the season, with all of its ups and downs, and evaluate things at the proper time, which in this case is in May
What does long project means? Isn't every manager a long project? I mean they all sign for more than one season. Besides interim managers pretty much every other manager signs for around 3 year. I think long project is mentioned here as some kind of excuse to dont expect anything in the short or medium term because this is a long project. Fortunately for us it doesnt work that way, results are expected always doesn't matter if this is a short, medium or long term project.
 

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Do really 99% do a lot less than Ole has? You talk as if we had the shittiest team in the league and we are punching over our weight. We clearly have a top 4 squad (at least) in the league, and thats exactly where we at. I dont see any amazing achievement in that, its average.

To say 99% managers would do a lot less is overreacting to say the least. To call the finished article is absurd, when can you call a team the finished article besides when they win everything? Every single window teams buy and sell players, it never ends. Talking about a team in the making as if we were somehow in a different situation to other clubs is absurd.

Please detail the progress you see, Im serious. We have a way worst defensive record than last season and in attack we still depend on Bruno to create some magic. Why do you think there's clear progress? Please don't reference Mourinho's last term, we all know that was shitty and thats why he was sacked, I'm referring to progress from last season under Ole.
I’m enjoying it more, that’s good enough for me.
 

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If Ole left the club tomorrow, would any Premier League side seriously hire him or is that curtains for him in England? I don't think he's got the tactical nous to negotiate a relegation battle and none of the top teams would want him.
 

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I’m enjoying it more, that’s good enough for me.
You didn't answer any on my questions. But well then please don't call progress just say you enjoy it more than before and thats enough for you.
 

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If Ole left the club tomorrow, would any Premier League side seriously hire him or is that curtains for him in England? I don't think he's got the tactical nous to negotiate a relegation battle and none of the top teams would want him.
You're probably right. They like to keep recycling "top" managers like Tuchel, Mourinho and Conte.
 

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I have no clue as to if we will be 2nd, 3rd or drop from the top 4 places. All I know is that apart from a few games like Leeds and a man down Southampton we have not played well in the PL. I would rather lose to teams like City than to Sheffield United and Crystal Palace.
He is no managerial or I should say coaching genius to coach one of the world's biggest clubs.
 

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It's kind of crazy how far we have fallen that we are on course for 73 points in the league and about to play Europa League round of 32 after getting eliminated from the cl and yet the mood around Ole is pretty positive. I like Ole and he has done some nice things but he's been here a while now & we are nowhere near being a top team
 

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You're probably right. They like to keep recycling "top" managers like Tuchel, Mourinho and Conte.
I feel this is meant as sarcasm but Tuchel is right on our tail, Mou is one of the most successful managers ever (and is easily our most successful post SAF manager) and Conte is properly elite.
 

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I feel this is meant as sarcasm but Tuchel is right on our tail, Mou is one of the most successful managers ever (and is easily our most successful post SAF manager) and Conte is properly elite.
My point is that a top manager is not always the only answer. Otherwise we'd have been successful under prior "top" managers like Mourinho and Van Ghoul. What we need more is investment in the squad. Lindelof is terrible, and we still don't have a proper RW (i like Greenwood but he's really a sub material). Also need a CDM. We could bring in a Tuchel but this squad isn't winning the EPL or UCL.

Mourinho's reign was generally poor. 2nd place and the Europa League is really nothing to get excited about.
 

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I really don’t know what to think about him. I mean, we are second in the PL which isn’t too bad. Is he a good coach or just a random guy with £800 millions worth of players?
 

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My point is that a top manager is not always the only answer. Otherwise we'd have been successful under prior "top" managers like Mourinho and Van Ghoul. What we need more is investment in the squad. Lindelof is terrible, and we still don't have a proper RW (i like Greenwood but he's really a sub material). Also need a CDM. We could bring in a Tuchel but this squad isn't winning the EPL or UCL.

Again is Ole the right guy to give this money to though considering he bought Maguire who hasn't solved any problems and also bough VDB who can't get a game
 

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Again is Ole the right guy to give this money to though considering he bought Maguire who hasn't solved any problems and also bough VDB who can't get a game
Not sure tbh, but the answer isn't hiring another top manager for now. Do you really think he's the one that pushed for VDB? Doesn't seem like it.
 

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That's the "top" manager Conte who is currently leading the Serie A, yes?
He's a good manager, not saying he isn't. What i'm saying is that if we just replaced Ole with Conte we'd not be in any better position. City would still have a far superior squad and would be above us.
 

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Not sure tbh, but the answer isn't hiring another top manager for now. Do you really think he's the one that pushed for VDB? Doesn't seem like it.
I'm sure he wasn't his first choice, but it doesn't mean he didn't push for him once it was clear other options (like Grealish) were off the table.

He obviousy doesn't like what he sees from VDB so far. Doesn't mean he didn't want him.
 

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My point is that a top manager is not always the only answer. Otherwise we'd have been successful under prior "top" managers like Mourinho and Van Ghoul. What we need more is investment in the squad. Lindelof is terrible, and we still don't have a proper RW (i like Greenwood but he's really a sub material). Also need a CDM. We could bring in a Tuchel but this squad isn't winning the EPL or UCL.

Mourinho's reign was generally poor. 2nd place and the Europa League is really nothing to get excited about.
Surely we’ve learnt from previous managers this is 100% not the time to throw money at more players? We have a good squad and we need to start treating managers meritocratically - they have to earn the right to spend vast sums on players.

Woodward essentially showed the door to Mou when he curtailed his third year spending and I actually really respect him for doing that. People won’t like this but at the moment Ole is in a precarious position - he’s spent what £300m and the only unanimously good signing is Bruno. I actually really rate AWB but seems I’m in minority.

Point is are we playing attacking football and creating lots of chances? No. Are we defensively strong? No. What are you backing and believing in when you give Ole more money right now? Are we good in high pressure games? No.

Let’s see where we finish the season and then decide because it’s been long enough for his philosophy to be imprinted on the team.