Glad he's doing well 
Chelsea appoint Thomas Tuchel
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Yep, honestly 5 post a day is all I need here
While that's a point one element that Tuchel has over Ole / Mourinho is that he's a very good coach. Chelsea look well drilled at the instant of his influence. Solskjaer has been here for two years with no defined style, Mourinho was in exactly the same boots. The key should always be to identify a manager by what they bring to the table, I've no idea of Tuchel's man management but his ability to give a personality to the team is something the best and most sustained managers offer.
Chelsea could potentially by all accounts be the next team up to challenge City / Liverpool if the manager can give the team a foundation to build from.
He got Kepa to keep a clean sheet in a league match. Biggest achievement so far.
I wonder if he pays attention to the pressers of other teams. A few managers have been criticized lately for down playing expectations. He was asked now that he has made it back to the top 4 if the top 4 is the goal this season, or do you press on? He said we press on, one game at a time. We do not get distracted, we work hard on the next match and do not accept 99% from anyone.
i enjoy how focused he is on every match. He was asked about AM in the CL and said, ask me Monday, Southampton is our next game.
I was, and still am a fan of Lampard, but I really like what I am seeing from Tuchel. He knows the pitfalls from experience and stays focused.
i enjoy how focused he is on every match. He was asked about AM in the CL and said, ask me Monday, Southampton is our next game.
I was, and still am a fan of Lampard, but I really like what I am seeing from Tuchel. He knows the pitfalls from experience and stays focused.
Indeed, I am.
The new manager bounce you can forget. Watching Chelsea now compared with under Lampard is night and day. Hudson-Odoi is a different player. Tuchel moves him to RW and bingo! Kovacic in CM produced, last night against Newcastle, one of the best performances I've seen from a midfielder this season. He's also moved Werner out wide and there were touches of Hazard out on that left flank. Another aspect is the squad of players he has to do with. Bringing on James for Hudson-Odoi for example. Imo the best RB in the PL right now on the bench! Kante coming in for Mount isn't too bad either.
Again, that can come down to new manager bounce surely? You played like this mere days into Tuchels reign.
I get it, you want to feel like you have found the answer and its not another 2 year project to challenge but lets just wait and see.
You still that lack punch up front imo.
I think they'll finish ahead of us. He has changed the way they are playing - good managers can make a difference quite quickly and he has the added new manger bounce.
We have Chelsea away following the Soceidad second leg - that could be when they overtake us.
I won't be surprised to see the chavs finishing above united this season. I do consider Tuchel to be a much better manager than Ole.
Tuchel has made a decent start, though Chelsea would have been favourite to win all the games he’s has managed so far. Beating a Spurs team without Kane is not too difficult.
Interested to see how Chelsea get on against the better teams.
Interested to see how Chelsea get on against the better teams.
Im glad someone said it, he should of been man of the match last night. He's been brilliant under Tuchel.
His best decision so far is resisting the temptation to shoe horn Kante back in.
Lampard doing that last season derailed us 2 arguably 3 times.
I didn't mean to say Soton are a top side, just that those three fixtures one after the other will be tough. Madrid and United will be top sides to play against.
I moved to Munich 1 and half years ago, before that I never stepped foot in Germany. Just happen to be a United and Germany fan since '96
Yea I meant home as in Chelsea home.
Tuchel is in a great position as he probably won't be held to the gargantuan amounts spent in the transfer window like Lampard was. He can quietly go about his business and use any old excuse if and when they slip up. Dangerous.
So how long before we place Tuchel in the “Arteta tier” of great PL managers way way ahead of Solskjær until he has a bad patch and then get demoted back into the “meh” tier?
He has won trophies and took a team to a UCL final, so I think you would have to say he is ahead Ole at the moment and Arteta should never be mentioned in the same breath
Tuchel has a very defined plan for each player in each game. Lampard did not. If you want to call that a new manager bounce....ok.
Tuchel will have his first true test against Southampton...... Anthony Taylor is the referee.
Don't disagree with any of that frankly. I've just learnt my lesson to not judge a coach during the honeymoon phase as that is not what you usually see from the same coach after 6 months or 1 year into the job (For better or worse)
Let's wait until he is facing few tougher oppositions. I remember some Chelsea fans in here also said the same thing about Lampard earlier this season, as soon as you started playing against the top 10 sides, the Chelsea fans view about him changed (some hate to admit it). Sometimes I checked PSG's online site and they showed some frustration with Tuchel's selection. To be fair, they got good point as I remember he played Herrera, Gueye & Marquinhos aka no creativity in midfield with their creative midfield like Paredes & Draxler on the bench, Atalanta was just miles the better team in that match until Tuchel decided to bring those two and Mbappe on.
Yeah mainly with PSG and it shouldn't be that difficult to get to a CL final with a squad costing a gazillion Euro's.
It's actually harder to not win the league with PSG, as the match fixing would be too obvious
I also love how reaching a CL final(not even winning) with a team that is among the top 3 favorites now is considered a triumph
Let's be real if you lot made a CL final some of you would demand a statue of Ole in Manchester.It's actually harder to not win the league with PSG, as the match fixing would be too obvious
I also love how reaching a CL final(not even winning) with a team that is among the top 3 favorites now is considered a triumph
Also if it's impossible to blow the league in Paris, why did Ancelotti and Emery?
You might not agree with what they're doing but saying they don't have a set style is just nonsense.
Ole has a pretty clear tactical template - you can see it pretty clearly in transitions (both offence -> defence and defence -> offence) and after the defence is set.
Mourinho has his vision of playing football as well, I think it's even clearer than Ole to see and has been talked about endlessly.
He won a cup at Dortmund and hes the first manager to take that PSG side to the final.
Also dont remember many UCL finalists with budget squads
They had an easy run to the final in a one legged tournament which they still lost anyway. Its not that big of a brag tbh
Absolute rubbish
They had a tougher run than Bayern and outplayed them in the final. Don't understand why this is a stick used to beat Tuchel with to be quite honest.
A non deserved win v Atalanta and a win Leipzig whos top scorer decided not to stay in because he wanted a move to Chelsea.
All the time they eased back into match fitness since their league was cancelled in March as their opposition played tiring, condensed corona led league campaigns.
Thats before the CL was moved to 1 tie knockout on neutral ground.
If youre taking history making from that shitheap of a situation then I dont know what to tell you.
I mean no second leg v Barca after winning 4-0 and theyre through, no second leg v Utd and they get through as well.
But hey, no other manager could do it etc etc
Also Spurs had a budget squad not 1 final before. Atletico got there twice somehow with Dortmund not long before that. Hell Juve got there as well and they did nothing bit sign freebies.
Its a unique end of a tournament that doesnt hold a candle to tournmants past. Its almost a different competition.
But.. Rubbish
Love those moments on the caf when someone's achievements are entirely worthless, because he coaches/plays for the wrong team now.
All the teams you mentioned reaching the final had top managers. Pochettino, Simeone, Klopp, Alegri - Tuchel being in that company is rarified air.
Also you're hand-waving the disadvantages a manager had to cope with in the CL bubble. If anything, a single-legged format favours the weaker team given the higher variance from a one-off result.
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Managers can't really win really.
If they overachieve on a small budget it's "show us your medals" yet the managers who can put an array of them on the table the narrative is "yeah but Shannon from Scunthorpe and her dog could have won most of those with the money spent".
It seems to be rated managers have to win with little resources, oh wait Ranieri did that and no one rates him either.
Seems there's a section of football fans who will find any slight chink in a managers armour to use to "prove" they ain't all that!
But not with the situation we had last season. Its an anomoly with a huge asterisk next to it. Even then its not a win, its just reaching a final.
And yes it would favour weaker teams hence that PSG run to the final. That kind of proces my point with the tournmant becoming more open
Nobody is saying hes a bad manager but theres only 1 elite manager on your list.
If you have to beat Leipzig and Atalanta in 1 off games to reach a final then thats a very favourable run. Theres no disputing that.
Yes rubbish. You beat whats in front of you and he got that PSG side to their first final (where many other managers failed after spending millions) and he did it whilst having his hands tied in the market and players like Cavani not being replaced properly.
Your point was that it wasnt that great an achievement (yet all the managers that proceeded him failed)
And Bayern beat the weakest Barcelona in years and Lyon in the one off ties, and a
PSG was the favourite in the quarterfinals and the semis and still progressed - hence the format didn't favour them. It's easier for the better team to win over two legs as opposed to one. This isn't even up for dispute.
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The German cup yes, but many average managers can win a domestic cup.
From 2000 to now the teams that weren't mega spenders that got to the CL final or won it include; Leverkusen, Monaco, Porto, Liverpool 2005, Arsenal, Dortmund, Atletico, Tottenham.
But even then, every team has not spent anywhere near what PSG have on their squad. Notincluding Real Madrid, Barca, Chelsea, Man United and Man City.
Wait - Bayern beat 'a Napoli side in transition' in the RO16?
Did we traumatize you so much you're suppressing the memory?
It's the truth. Not to mention their players were fresh when the tournament started compared to other clubs from other leagues - for example Atalanta? Some of their players were literally getting cramps after 60min of play vs PSG.
It is really annoying. Same as these pointless cross-comparisons that are totally irrelevant to the topic at hand. So many threads get derailed and you have to look harder and harder to find good discussion.