BayernFan87
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Glad he's doing well
Yep, honestly 5 post a day is all I need hereWere you always a new member?
While that's a point one element that Tuchel has over Ole / Mourinho is that he's a very good coach. Chelsea look well drilled at the instant of his influence. Solskjaer has been here for two years with no defined style, Mourinho was in exactly the same boots. The key should always be to identify a manager by what they bring to the table, I've no idea of Tuchel's man management but his ability to give a personality to the team is something the best and most sustained managers offer.No point judging him now. Everyone knows about the new manager bounce. Ole after Mourinho ring a bell anyone? We looked like we'd win the league with that form and then reality set in after a period of time. Let's revisit this in a few months time when he isn't a 'new' managed in the eyes of the players and see how they are playing
Again, that can come down to new manager bounce surely? You played like this mere days into Tuchels reign.if you think nothing has changed in how we are playing, I can only assume you are not watching. Our midfield play has completely changed. Our link between the back line and the midfield has completely changed. The transition to get back on defence has completely changed. The biggest thing to change is control, the team is maintaining control and that is what will keep winning against lesser teams instead of dropping points to relegation teams. The real test to finishing top 4 will be beating the teams we should beat. I dont think we are quite there yet to challenge for the league, but good enough to beat those we should and get better. We have more than enough talent, Tuchel just needs to give that talent clear direction one game at a time.
I think they'll finish ahead of us. He has changed the way they are playing - good managers can make a difference quite quickly and he has the added new manger bounce.Only 4 points behind us. He is doing alright there with there so far.
Wonder will he catch us?
Im glad someone said it, he should of been man of the match last night. He's been brilliant under Tuchel.The new manager bounce you can forget. Watching Chelsea now compared with under Lampard is night and day. Hudson-Odoi is a different player. Tuchel moves him to RW and bingo! Kovacic in CM produced, last night against Newcastle, one of the best performances I've seen from a midfielder this season. He's also moved Werner out wide and there were touches of Hazard out on that left flank. Another aspect is the squad of players he has to do with. Bringing on James for Hudson-Odoi for example. Imo the best RB in the PL right now on the bench! Kante coming in for Mount isn't too bad either.
His best decision so far is resisting the temptation to shoe horn Kante back in.Im glad someone said it, he should of been man of the match last night. He's been brilliant under Tuchel.
I didn't mean to say Soton are a top side, just that those three fixtures one after the other will be tough. Madrid and United will be top sides to play against.Not a top side, if spurs arent
I moved to Munich 1 and half years ago, before that I never stepped foot in Germany. Just happen to be a United and Germany fan since '96Wait, you're a Man United supporter?
How did that happen if you don't mind me asking? Don't think I've known a German Man United fan before! Always interesting to see how people from around the world end up supporting someone.
Unless you're a Manc who moved to Germany, in which case, meh!
Yea I meant home as in Chelsea home.Chelsea United match will be in London.
He has won trophies and took a team to a UCL final, so I think you would have to say he is ahead Ole at the moment and Arteta should never be mentioned in the same breathSo how long before we place Tuchel in the “Arteta tier” of great PL managers way way ahead of Solskjær until he has a bad patch and then get demoted back into the “meh” tier?
Tuchel has a very defined plan for each player in each game. Lampard did not. If you want to call that a new manager bounce....ok.Again, that can come down to new manager bounce surely? You played like this mere days into Tuchels reign.
I get it, you want to feel like you have found the answer and its not another 2 year project to challenge but lets just wait and see.
You still that lack punch up front imo.
Don't disagree with any of that frankly. I've just learnt my lesson to not judge a coach during the honeymoon phase as that is not what you usually see from the same coach after 6 months or 1 year into the job (For better or worse)While that's a point one element that Tuchel has over Ole / Mourinho is that he's a very good coach. Chelsea look well drilled at the instant of his influence. Solskjaer has been here for two years with no defined style, Mourinho was in exactly the same boots. The key should always be to identify a manager by what they bring to the table, I've no idea of Tuchel's man management but his ability to give a personality to the team is something the best and most sustained managers offer.
Chelsea could potentially by all accounts be the next team up to challenge City / Liverpool if the manager can give the team a foundation to build from.
Let's wait until he is facing few tougher oppositions. I remember some Chelsea fans in here also said the same thing about Lampard earlier this season, as soon as you started playing against the top 10 sides, the Chelsea fans view about him changed (some hate to admit it). Sometimes I checked PSG's online site and they showed some frustration with Tuchel's selection. To be fair, they got good point as I remember he played Herrera, Gueye & Marquinhos aka no creativity in midfield with their creative midfield like Paredes & Draxler on the bench, Atalanta was just miles the better team in that match until Tuchel decided to bring those two and Mbappe on.Tuchel has a very defined plan for each player in each game. Lampard did not. If you want to call that a new manager bounce....ok.
Yeah mainly with PSG and it shouldn't be that difficult to get to a CL final with a squad costing a gazillion Euro's.He has won trophies and took a team to a UCL final, so I think you would have to say he is ahead Ole at the moment and Arteta should never be mentioned in the same breath
It's actually harder to not win the league with PSG, as the match fixing would be too obviousYeah mainly with PSG and it shouldn't be that difficult to get to a CL final with a squad costing a gazillion Euro's.
Let's be real if you lot made a CL final some of you would demand a statue of Ole in Manchester.It's actually harder to not win the league with PSG, as the match fixing would be too obvious
I also love how reaching a CL final(not even winning) with a team that is among the top 3 favorites now is considered a triumph
You might not agree with what they're doing but saying they don't have a set style is just nonsense.Solskjaer has been here for two years with no defined style, Mourinho was in exactly the same boots.
He won a cup at Dortmund and hes the first manager to take that PSG side to the final.Yeah mainly with PSG and it shouldn't be that difficult to get to a CL final with a squad costing a gazillion Euro's.
They had an easy run to the final in a one legged tournament which they still lost anyway. Its not that big of a brag tbhHe won a cup at Dortmund and hes the first manager to take that PSG side to the final.
Also dont remember many UCL finalists with budget squads
Absolute rubbishThey had an easy run to the final in a one legged tournament which they still lost anyway. Its not that big of a brag tbh
They had a tougher run than Bayern and outplayed them in the final. Don't understand why this is a stick used to beat Tuchel with to be quite honest.They had an easy run to the final in a one legged tournament which they still lost anyway. Its not that big of a brag tbh
A non deserved win v Atalanta and a win Leipzig whos top scorer decided not to stay in because he wanted a move to Chelsea.Absolute rubbish
All the teams you mentioned reaching the final had top managers. Pochettino, Simeone, Klopp, Alegri - Tuchel being in that company is rarified air.A non deserved win v Atalanta and a win Leipzig whos top scorer decided not to stay in because he wanted a move to Chelsea.
All the time they eased back into match fitness since their league was cancelled in March as their opposition played tiring, condensed corona led league campaigns.
Thats before the CL was moved to 1 tie knockout on neutral ground.
If youre taking history making from that shitheap of a situation then I dont know what to tell you.
I mean no second leg v Barca after winning 4-0 and theyre through, no second leg v Utd and they get through as well.
But hey, no other manager could do it etc etc
Also Spurs had a budget squad not 1 final before. Atletico got there twice somehow with Dortmund not long before that. Hell Juve got there as well and they did nothing bit sign freebies.
Its a unique end of a tournament that doesnt hold a candle to tournmants past. Its almost a different competition.
But.. Rubbish
Managers can't really win really.Love those moments on the caf when someone's achievements are entirely worthless, because he coaches/plays for the wrong team now.
But not with the situation we had last season. Its an anomoly with a huge asterisk next to it. Even then its not a win, its just reaching a final.All the teams you mentioned reaching the final had top managers. Pochettino, Klopp, Alegri - Tuchel being in that company is rarified air.
Also you're hand-waving the disadvantages a manager had to cope with in the CL bubble. If anything, a single-legged format favours the weaker team given the higher variance from a one-off result.
Yes rubbish. You beat whats in front of you and he got that PSG side to their first final (where many other managers failed after spending millions) and he did it whilst having his hands tied in the market and players like Cavani not being replaced properly.A non deserved win v Atalanta and a win Leipzig whos top scorer decided not to stay in because he wanted a move to Chelsea.
All the time they eased back into match fitness since their league was cancelled in March as their opposition played tiring, condensed corona led league campaigns.
Thats before the CL was moved to 1 tie knockout on neutral ground.
If youre taking history making from that shitheap of a situation then I dont know what to tell you.
I mean no second leg v Barca after winning 4-0 and theyre through, no second leg v Utd and they get through as well.
But hey, no other manager could do it etc etc
Also Spurs had a budget squad not 1 final before. Atletico got there twice somehow with Dortmund not long before that. Hell Juve got there as well and they did nothing bit sign freebies.
Its a unique end of a tournament that doesnt hold a candle to tournmants past. Its almost a different competition.
But.. Rubbish
And Bayern beat the weakest Barcelona in years and Lyon in the one off ties, and aBut not with the situation we had last season. Its an anomoly with a huge asterisk next to it. Even then its not a win, its just reaching a final.
And yes it would favour weaker teams hence that PSG run to the final. That kind of proces my point with the tournmant becoming more open
Nobody is saying hes a bad manager but theres only 1 elite manager on your list.
If you have to beat Leipzig and Atalanta in 1 off games to reach a final then thats a very favourable run. Theres no disputing that.
The German cup yes, but many average managers can win a domestic cup.He won a cup at Dortmund and hes the first manager to take that PSG side to the final.
Also dont remember many UCL finalists with budget squads
Wait - Bayern beat 'a Napoli side in transition' in the RO16?And Bayern beat the weakest Barcelona in years and Lyon in the one off ties, and a Napoli side in transition in the RO16. PSG had Dortmund, Atalanta, and Leipzig. Of the two, PSG had the harder route all things considered.
PSG was the favourite in the quarterfinals and the semis and still progressed - hence the format didn't favour them. It's easier for the better team to win over two legs as opposed to one. This isn't even up for dispute.
It's the truth. Not to mention their players were fresh when the tournament started compared to other clubs from other leagues - for example Atalanta? Some of their players were literally getting cramps after 60min of play vs PSG.Absolute rubbish
It is really annoying. Same as these pointless cross-comparisons that are totally irrelevant to the topic at hand. So many threads get derailed and you have to look harder and harder to find good discussion.Love those moments on the caf when someone's achievements are entirely worthless, because he coaches/plays for the wrong team now.