The only way this partnership gets broken up is an injury and that is ridiculous
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Wouldn't have mattered what the score was today he needs to make Bailly a league starter and Henderson a chance to prove he is capable of being our regular GK too, how will he ever know if he's up to the task on a regular basis if all he ever gets is starts in cup games.
I thought Ole was lucky today, his refusal to give the Maguire and Bailly partnership a run keeps us looking edgy and deep, and how Martial wasn't hooked at half time for Mason is baffling. James popped up with a goal out of nothing, it wasn't like we were playing any better in the 2nd half and there was no sign of a personnel change coming.
I have now just accepted he will never have it to make the big calls in a game
Was this a big game?
Yeah but what calls did he make that were big is my point
Every game I keep waiting for a sub. And keep waiting. Always seems if they come on, they are changed out way too late.
I'm not sure what your point is to be honest.
Martial isn't ideal as a CF this season after looking like he'd cracked it last year. Ole's discussed Mason and the positions he can play and it seems he's not exactly ready to be the CF just yet. Cavani would likely have played if he was fit.
Bailly only had his first game after being out injured so we don't know if he was fit to play a full game.
Our bench isn't looking too good at the moment so the only gripe I have is that I think Henderson needs to come in but the players he kept on the pitch did enough to win the game.
My point is he needed to be bold and give Deano a chance in goal, Mason starting in the front three ahead of Tony and Bailly ahead of Victor but because he played the three of them on Thurs then that was never gonna happen
I agree on Henderson. Today was the day to make that big decision with much harder games on the horizon.
I disagree on Bailly - was his first game back after an injury and he played the full 90 three days ago. Made sense to go with Lindelof today.
I don’t, and probably never will, understand the slow nature of the substitutions. Greenwood should have been on at half-time for Martial.
He’s not dropping De Gea. He’s not dropping Lindelof.
Deal with it!
Deal with it!
Thought we were fine today and getting 3 points after a EL game is always good. Newcastle are utter dog shite and we did gift them too many chances in the first half. Thought we improved second half and finished the game strong. I still have huge concerns over DDG and our CB's, though.
The team is clearly knackered. We looked well off the pace and its not Solksjaer who is at fault here. He can obviously rotate more but then he risks giving away free points which will be devastating to see, especially after the progress we have made since project restart.
His match management still isn't unto the mark as I feel that he relies too much on the players already on the pitch. That works when you have a group of PL winners out there on the pitch, not a team that's trying to make its mark. Also his key attacking talent is not in form and in some cases (like Martial) look well past it. We also lost Pogba at a time he was really playing well.
The argument that we rely on moments is simplistic. Yes, we do. To an extent. There is nothing wrong with that really. Teams that play on moments are more adaptable and don't run out of ideas when they aren't able to recruit the type of players that work the system or when the coach that made it happen leaves suddenly. It has to be a combination of coaching and moments to be consistently successful.
His match management still isn't unto the mark as I feel that he relies too much on the players already on the pitch. That works when you have a group of PL winners out there on the pitch, not a team that's trying to make its mark. Also his key attacking talent is not in form and in some cases (like Martial) look well past it. We also lost Pogba at a time he was really playing well.
The argument that we rely on moments is simplistic. Yes, we do. To an extent. There is nothing wrong with that really. Teams that play on moments are more adaptable and don't run out of ideas when they aren't able to recruit the type of players that work the system or when the coach that made it happen leaves suddenly. It has to be a combination of coaching and moments to be consistently successful.
You people aren't seriously complaining after that, are you? You see the other teams who played in Europe this week and seen how they have been? We've been on a ridiculous schedule (much like the rest of the continent) and honestly, a dip in performances and results is bound to occur at some point. Take the rough with the smooth and see where we're at, at the end of the season.
We're well placed and if we can get through the next 6 games with c.13-15 points, I think we'll be fine come the season's end.
We're well placed and if we can get through the next 6 games with c.13-15 points, I think we'll be fine come the season's end.
Our overall performance was really bad in Newcastle game for the varied reasons. But it’s a masterpiece for Ole to give Shola the run out. It not only awards a young talent and encourages the other youngsters, but also send out a signal to the first team players new generation is coming, you’ve better to raising your game!
Most goals scored of any team in the league, I think it’s 16 times we’ve had 3 goals or more in a match?
... no patterns of play though ...
... no patterns of play though ...
Same old Ole today. Same tactics every game no matter who we are playing. Newcastle at home and they had more shots on goal than us for the first 70 minutes, again counter attacking, this time against Newcastle at home.
When James scored they gave up and we were better but for 70 minutes Sam was in control. Very important win but very lucky to get it.
When James scored they gave up and we were better but for 70 minutes Sam was in control. Very important win but very lucky to get it.
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how lucky is Ole! He gets lucky every time we win. What’s up with this Ole gentleman
I could have sworn we won tonight but reading this thread I’m starting to doubt myself. I might have to ask Lucky Ole
Ostrichville.
Casinos hate himhow lucky is Ole! He gets lucky every time we win. What’s up with this Ole gentleman
I'm one of his biggest doubters on here it seems, but I don't understand the sentiment in here. I think we actually played some decent stuff at times that game. Happier with that performance
It will be mostle overlooked because of the result but today we saw the same problems we've seen all season. Lack of ideas in attack just waiting for the individual magic to pop up, shaky in defense, struggling to build from the back under the slightest preassure and terrible at defending set pieces.
Surely you mean happy with the result? The performance was average at best, first half being really poor.
The lack of defending on set pieces is getting more ridiculous and really should be setting alarm bells ringing about the need to bring in a coach who specialises in this area rather than just promoting the Utd old boys club
Everyone can see that it is time for Henderson except for him. I would like a reporter to have the courage to ask him why he won't select Henderson as our first choice.
Its clear we've been found out and we're being targeted. It doesn't take much to realize how easy is to hurt us on set pieces. What I dont understand is how our coaches can't correct it, I mean its like groundhog day.
Surely they must realize we are really weak at defending them? Whatever they are coaching on them its not working.
We conceded another one today and could had been 2.
I agree, for all that can be criticized to Ole one thing he's good at is at keeping the squad happy.
For good or for bad I think he fears that dropping Lindelof or specially De Gea would upset the squad harmony.
I think the transition will be made, if it happens, on the summer not before. Is clear Ole prioritize the squad harmony over everything, even performances.
Yeah that could indeed be the case
Bailly played on Thursday and will probably start again thus Thursday. I’m ok with Ole going with Lindelof for this match. I agree he needs to anoint Bailly as his first choice, but Bailly needs to do his part by staying fit.
As for Hendo, it’s too soon for him to replace Dave.
So how long is he expected to wait then
Performance is really poor, no doubt about it. But it’s not because we were lack of efforts. It was our midfield. But we didn’t have any option really because everyone else have been unavailable.
Putting effort is the least we can expect from any professional athlete, just putting effort doesnt comes even close to what we should expect to say we are satisfied with a performance.
Not like it’s Ole fault but let‘s not single out player who does more than he others.
Like what @PlayerOne said, Lindelof did nothing much in that match compare to Maguire. To be fair, this is often the case with Lindelof and Maguire. Maguire always get involved everywhere more in progressive ball and also defensively than Lindelof, while Lindelof prefer to be passive which is why Maguire can be caught to make more mistakes since he committed to do more than his partnership Lindelof.
My eyes, the stats and also even whoscored rating show it
He will play cups and maybe the odd PL game through the season. In the summer they will possibly look to see if they can sell one of them.
If we want any chance of selling De Gea (or possibly on a free due to his salary) we can't drop him mid season.
Though they might consider one more season of this if De Gea is solid rest of the season.
Wouldn't use a rating system that reckons that Martial performance was better than almost the whole Newcastle team to back up my argument to be honest.
Well, I used 3 things, my eyes, stats & rating all together not just rating. In case if you miss the stats posted by someone in previous page, here.Wouldn't use a rating system that reckons that Martial performance was better than almost the whole Newcastle team to back up my argument to be honest.
For Lindelof
0 Duels attempted
0 Aerials duels attempted
0 tackles attempted
0 interceptions
3 clearances
3 recoveries
For Maguire
12 duels attempted
6/6 aerial duels won
2 tackles attempted
1 interception
3 clearances
11 recoveries
Those bold decision are just personal preference from some fans not all of them. They are not bold decision that must be made or something we cannot Understand why Ole didn’t make the decision.
Although, my personal preference is to play Bailly over Lindelof but it’s been proven that Ole prefers pair of CB that can play together for long period than pair of centre back that can’t last long due to one of them is injury prone which I can understand why he made the choice.
Sometime we also need to be reasonable and understand. End of the day job well done for getting 3 points. My God it was miles better than watching Arsenal vs City.
It wasn't great the whole way through, but at times, we played some decent quick stuff through a compact defence. Hardly anything I would bet my house on, but it was a welcomed change over the consistent slow, lethargic football we play
Granted, I didn't catch the first half, I tuned in towards the end of the first half, so can't comment on that.
That's interesting.
The first half was quite poor and we were very shaky at the back at times. I think it's coloured our perception of the whole game.
The performance was definitely better second half and there was only ever going to be one winner, barring an absolute howler.
I've seen posters claim Newcastle dominated us or were 'in control' which is nonsense.
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