Zlatan tells LeBron James to stay out of politics...

[lex talionis]

Idiotic take by Zlatan.

Have a go a LeBron for the substance of his views if you like, but don’t challenge his right to publicly state his views.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

https://lakersdaily.com/zlatan-ibra...peak-about-politics-do-what-youre-good-doing/

Zlatan's quote:


Couldn't disagree more with him to be honest. If Rashford stayed out of politics we'd have (even more) children starving. They aren't experts on politics of course, but they can make a positive difference and maybe inspire the mind of an expert on politics.

Nonsense comment. Politics is part of and impacts all of our lives and ideally one should be active in that regard. The whole "shut up if you arent in the field" rubbish is usually just a defense mechanism for those don't want criticism from the outside.

He also says " it is better to avoid certain topics and do what you’re good doing, otherwise you risk doing something wrongly ", which is a bit cowardly isn't it. I have respect if anything for those who risk becoming a target from the high and mighty when they don't need to. It's funny, for all of Ibra's persona, he doesn't come across as brave at all in this regard, nowhere near someone like our own Rashford for that matter.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I fixed that for you.

I like it

 

[FrankDrebin]

Dumbass take from Zlatan.

 

[Rightnr]

I disagree with him but it's it's a fair position to take. By the reaction here, you'd think Zlatan said something outrageous.

I believe a lot of people share his views and they're probably mostly justified. Rashford and others like him are an exception.

I don't follow the NBA and James closely but I do know he kowtowed to the Chinese CCP, so anything he says about American politics is a bit hypothetical to me.

 

[JPRouve]

Do you think he's wrong if it would be in regards to LeBron's comments over China/Hong Kong? or anything political that isn't about racial justice?

How do you know what he thinks? I think it could've and maybe should've been clarified in the interview by the person who interviewed him.

But it's equally dishonest to say that his answer has any relation to BLM/racial justice when that simply hasn't been clarified and in regards to what Zlatan said in previous interviews himself, contradictory.

He is wrong 100% of the time, everyone should be able to talk about politics wherever they want, the topic is irrelevant, if I disagree with them then I will express my disagreement but no one should think that your status in society should prevent you from talking or being involved in politics. That's how we ended up with feckwits leading us.

I don't really know why you ask how I know what he thinks, you are the one trying to qualify what he meant while I'm saying that his target's main topic is social justice, the fact that Ibrahimovic didn't exclude social justice politics is on him and since he didn't exclude it, I have to assume that he includes it until he says otherwise. You are the only one trying to think for Ibrahimovic and doing it in a way that saves his backside.

 

[VorZakone]

That's a dumb take by Zlatan. If celebrities can drive positive changes, why not?

I'm not saying they should, it's their personal choice whether to get involved in certain causes or not. But when they do choose to get involved, there's nothing wrong with it.

 

[Dante]

I never warmed to Ibrahimovic, and this kind of bullshit isn't helping.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Political in the UK, yes.

So it was political.

Because your government has stripped away basic human needs and rights for your most exposed citizens.

It shouldn't be though for any modern democracy that follows the UN Convention on the rights of the child.

That happens all over the world. Let's not pretend it's a UK problem. Regardless, it's clear there was politics involved given he took on.. politicians. So him getting involved in politics has been hugely beneficial and greatly admired. The modern democracy, UN stuff isn't relevant. The world isn't a Utopia.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

I always hate when people say "stay out of politics" especially when it's politicians who regularly dictate living standards, our NHS, infrastructure, the economy, health and safety, technology grants and a plethora of other things that they're not experts on.

 

[Dante]

Everything is politics. Including freedom of speech. Which is the right Ibrahmiovic is attacking LeBron for exercising.

 

[horsechoker]

Weird take.

*round of applause *

 

[SwedishFish]

So it was political.


That happens all over the world. Let's not pretend it's a UK problem. Regardless, it's clear there was politics involved given he took on.. politicians. So him getting involved in politics has been hugely beneficial and greatly admired. The modern democracy, UN stuff isn't relevant. The world isn't a Utopia.

The world isn't a utopia, but we've not had a discussion about whether feeding young children in need is something that should be done and enabled by the government in Scandinavia during the pandemic. Go figure.

Just because something is of political importance in the UK doesn't mean it corresponds to the rest of Europe.

Taking a stand to support the WFPs cause to feed hungry children across the world isn't relevant? How is it different?

Feeding children around the world should be a non-starter and not a political issue and that is my firm belief. Rashford did well to take the fight for children across the UK but it's sad and damning for the UK that he even had to do it in all honesty.

 

[TsuWave]

Zlatan is an insufferable human being.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

The world isn't a utopia, but we've not had a discussion about whether feeding young children in need is something that should be done and enabled by the government in Scandinavia during the pandemic. Go figure.

Just because something is of political importance in the UK doesn't mean it corresponds to the rest of Europe.

Taking a stand to support the WFPs cause to feed hungry children across the world isn't relevant? How is it different?

Feeding children around the world should be a non-starter and not a political issue and that is my firm belief. Rashford did well to take the fight for children across the UK but it's sad and damning for the UK that he even had to do it in all honesty.

How the feck does it matter? It was in the UK FFS. Thanks for waving your "Scandanavia is so nice" dick around for us all to see but in a lot of places injustices are a plenty. A lot of things that SHOULD be done and SHOULD be non-starters, simply are not. And having a "firm belief" does sweet feck all. However, getting out there and trying to make a difference can actually work.

 

[Greck]

I know many people love the guy and all, but it would be great if people realised that Ibrahimovic is an idiot.

Never understood people stroking his ego either. The guy now thinks of himself as a demigod.

On the issue I also noticed people don't really mind players talking about politics if they agree with it.

 

[SwedishFish]

How the feck does it matter? It was in the UK FFS. Thanks for waving your "Scandanavia is so nice" dick around for us all to see but in a lot of places injustices are a plenty. A lot of things that SHOULD be done and SHOULD be non-starters, simply are not. And having a "firm belief" does sweet feck all. However, getting out there and trying to make a difference can actually work.

No need to get salty darling.

Yes there are injustices all over the world. Zlatan actually made something for the WFP to put the focus on the injustices across the world regarding hungry children. I don't think that's a political matter or that it should be. I consider it a basic human right, no matter where you are in the world.

The UK is a western democracy and should in my opinion be held to a higher standard considering that they, unlike many other countries actually have the chance to provide for their children and initially simply chose not to.

I don't think Rashford should've been politicized because of that, somehow it became a political issue in the UK. I really honestly don't know why.

 

[RedDevil@84]

That's a stupid theory. If you vote, you automatically are involved in politics. And you should. Politicians take decisions that affect your lives. Everyone should be involved in politics.

 

[DoomSlayer]

I'll be honest, that's a dumb statement and I don't get what the context is or the need for saying it.

Still, Ibra is a legend and a proper character. Hopefully he doesn't play or is off his game against us in the EL.

 

[RedDevil@84]

I know many people love the guy and all, but it would be great if people realised that Ibrahimovic is an idiot.

Jeez. This kind of cockiness and loud mouth drives him, but he is not an actual a**hole in real life who thinks he is above all others. Else no one would want him anywhere near the team. He is still a good team player and a good influence in the dressing room.
All the chuck norris stuff he comes up with is an act.

 

[micmac]

Zlatan says shite to stir people up....but to be fair to him Lebron is thicker than concrete...you need to follow him to understand some of his views...

 

[The Firestarter]

he is not an actual a**hole in real life who thinks he is above all others. Else no one would want him anywhere near the team.

Yeah, because football players are signed based on how nice they are and not actual talent. Fantastic take.

 

[DoomSlayer]

Yeah, because football players are signed based on how nice they are and not actual talent. Fantastic take.

Pogba loves Zlatan, and Pogba is supposed to be the nicest guy around, according to his fans.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Yeah, because football players are signed based on how nice they are and not actual talent. Fantastic take.

All team mates would love to play alongside an absolute a**hole. Fantastic take.

 

[The Firestarter]

All team mates would love to play alongside an absolute a**hole. Fantastic take.

Yeah, they are paid millions to do so, even if they get Kicked on the head or thrown in a bin

 

[Superden]

I disagree with him but it's it's a fair position to take. By the reaction here, you'd think Zlatan said something outrageous.

I believe a lot of people share his views and they're probably mostly justified. Rashford and others like him are an exception.

I don't follow the NBA and James closely but I do know he kowtowed to the Chinese CCP, so anything he says about American politics is a bit hypothetical to me.

a fair position to take? people mostly justified in sharing his views?

in my intelligent and highly considered opinion thats a load of baloney. and then the having an opinion on one issue (china) disqualifying him (lebron) from having an opinion on anything else (americal civil rights), being a cherry baloney on a baloney cake.

 

[Cast5]

Don’t think he’s said anything that controversial to be honest, I don’t agree with him but he’s not killed anyone.

 

[ariveded]

Zlatan is correct. The big celebs should use their influence on actual things and on-ground actions. Not make it personal driven, or hatred against certain politicians.

Irrespective of your political opinions, one should respect the elected leaders.

 

[JPRouve]

Zlatan is correct. The big celebs should use their influence on actual things and on-ground actions. Not make it personal driven, or hatred against certain politicians.

Irrespective of your political opinions, one should respect the elected leaders.

How about, no? Being elected doesn't make you or your political views respectable and anyone opposing them should do it even and in particular when said leader is elected.

 

[Hansi Fick]

Zlatan is correct. The big celebs should use their influence on actual things and on-ground actions. Not make it personal driven, or hatred against certain politicians.

Irrespective of your political opinions, one should respect the elected leaders.

This. Charlie Chaplin should have left Hitler alone, maintain respect and don't make it personal.

 

[Cheimoon]

No need to get salty darling.

Yes there are injustices all over the world. Zlatan actually made something for the WFP to put the focus on the injustices across the world regarding hungry children. I don't think that's a political matter or that it should be. I consider it a basic human right, no matter where you are in the world.

The UK is a western democracy and should in my opinion be held to a higher standard considering that they, unlike many other countries actually have the chance to provide for their children and initially simply chose not to.

I don't think Rashford should've been politicized because of that, somehow it became a political issue in the UK. I really honestly don't know why.

On the bolded: because they aren't at that situation yet. Of course school-food programs shouldn't be a political issue, but as long as there is no societal consensus on how an issue should be tackled, it is. No-one in the 'western' world would now say that child labour is a political issue, but some 150 years, when it was being banned, it absolutely was. And I suppose it probably still is in countries where children are still involved in e.g. the textile industry. What you think about that changes absolutely nothing about the on-the-ground reality that this is or was a political issue in the relevant time and place.

Case in point: while no-one wants kids to go hungry, you can discuss how best to solve that. As long as there is no widespread consensus that school food programs and its at-home replacement in times of school closures are a must-have, then this is a political question in the relevant jurisdiction. You can certainly lament that (as you're doing), but you can't say that this is not the reality just because you don't think it should be, or because it isn't somewhere else. And therefore, Rashford advocating for the program in the UK so that UK politicians will adopt it, was political activism.

Is this another "republicans buy sneakers too" type of statement ?

Doesn't seem like it to me. Zlatan doesn't seem to be speaking about athletes' economic interests.

 

[Zlatattack]

If that's all he has to say he should probably just stick to promoting brand Zlatan.

 

[SirAF]

Poor form by Zlatan, imo.

 

[Zlatattack]

It's statements like this that differentiate great athletes and great men. Anyone who thinks someone of status should refrain from politics goes down in my opinion. At a time where politics is crammed with elitist representatives of capitalism we need more voices speaking for the masses not less.

 

[Pexbo]

Don’t think he’s said anything that controversial to be honest, I don’t agree with him but he’s not killed anyone.

Can we change the thread title and opening post please and then can everyone stop mentioning in every single reply that Zlatan has killed someone because as @Cast5 here clearly states - he has not killed anyone.

 

[Zlatan Ibrahomovic]

@Zlatan Ibrahomovic probably would.

You're absolutely right. Celebreties, be it hollywood or sports stars, are often out of touch with 'reality' and the lives of 'ordinary people'. That's why, often at times, most celebreties come across as virtue signalling when they participate in politics, to further their brand.

I am not aware of what the basket ball player in question has done or participated in. If it is charity, like the work Rashford has done, it's a different thing. And of course, some people want to make everything about politics, that that's a different thing for me. But regarding his statement about sports starts and celebreties engaging in politics, i think he's right.

 

[The Firestarter]

You're absolutely right. Celebreties, be it hollywood or sports stars, are often out of touch with 'reality' and the lives of 'ordinary people'. That's why, often at times, most celebreties come across as virtue signalling when they participate in politics, to further their brand.

I am not aware of what the basket ball player in question has done or participated in. If it is charity, like the work Rashford has done, it's a different thing. And of course, some people want to make everything about politics, that that's a different thing for me. But regarding his statement about sports starts and celebreties engaging in politics, i think he's right.

I knew you wouldn't disappoint when I randomly selected your username!

 

[Gazza]

That's a strange take because politics is something that we all do and should all do, we are members and actors of society, no one should be a bystander and let "politicians" do politics.

Perfectly worded

 

[Rightnr]

a fair position to take? people mostly justified in sharing his views?

in my intelligent and highly considered opinion thats a load of baloney. and then the having an opinion on one issue (china) disqualifying him (lebron) from having an opinion on anything else (americal civil rights), being a cherry baloney on a baloney cake.

I can't half make out wtf you're trying to say but let me try to respond.

LeBron James was bending over backwards to support a regime which is frankly disgusting and people turn a blind eye to it due to money and nothing else.

To then go and play the freedom fighter in the US is in my opinion pathetic and even if he's correct, that opinion just won't hold as much weight if he was consistently acting in a moral way.

I never said he's not allowed to have an opinion but I'm saying that opinion means little because he's shown his true colours in the past. I think this is the danger with expressing political views and not being able to back it up with all your actions.

It might sound harsh but these people might end up harming the argument in normal people (those who don't pay too much attention outside of the headline news). This is what politics is and that's why being a politician is not for everyone. In that sense, I can see Zlatan's point.

Sometimes it's better to be quiet than open your mouth spout nonsense.

 

[Zen86]

Just look at Kanye West as an example of the good that celebrities can do in politics.