Bundesliga-tax aside, these are insane numbers man. His decision making in the final third is quite clearly at a ridiculously high level
Is Jadon Sancho really worth the 100 plus million fee?
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The way deals are structured with a smaller up front fee and installments, with fans starting to get back in the stands and a full blown Euros, I think we will if Haaland, Mbappe or maybe Sancho move.
‘Now, whether WE spend 100m on a single player, that’s another story.
Imagine how extra deadly we'd be in games like today with Sancho 
it would be cheating.
it would be cheating.No way anyone's paying £100m for Sancho. Firstly Corona, secondly there's no demand. Who aside from United would pay £70m+ for him? Most teams have young wide players. Haaland or Mbappe definitely I could see if say Real come in for them.
Fyi I've seen a lot of Sancho's goals this season for Dortmund, something like half of them have been easy counter attacks with free shots. I think he'd struggle to get half the goals he does in the Bundesliga in the PL against tighter defences.
That said he is a good player, and I'd be happy for us to sign him, but people overrate him too much. I'm hoping they dont make CL and look to offload him for around £50m, because that's a fair value given the amount of risk that would be involved for us as to whether he steps up or not in the PL. Anything above £70m is a a Lukaku type risk, and Lukaku was more proven at that.
My guess is that he'll get time in the England squad this summer, Dortmund need to sell anyway because they can't afford not to -- the wages they pay their aging stars is too much.
Whether he is "worth" 100m or 90m or 70m is not really a debate, it's purely an opinion driven by market economics. We just paid 34m for Diallo if you include add ons for an unproven teenager with 3 senior team appearances... It's mental to think that Sancho would be sold for 50m given his track record. I just explained how installments work -- it allows you to finance a deal over time.
You're really not taking into account forecasting and how finance works. Top clubs have a pretty good idea of their expected revenues once there are full stadiums with fans, the TV money, merchandising, etc.
True, you do have a point r.e. that we could pay £100m over time. Our revenue hasn't even really been hit because we had CL this season vs Europa last.
I just don't see anyone else coming in with £100m for Sancho. No one has the need. And for us it doesn't make sense to pay that much - Dortmund may need to sell for cheaper especially if they miss out on CL. And if we wait one year to the summer of 2022, he'll only have a year left on his contrsct. I think it'd be lunacy to spend anything close to £100m on him give the risks involved. We can afford it, but that doesn't mean we should pay it.
our revenue hasn’t taken a hit? We used to take circa £5m per home game.
our revenue has probably been hit more than any other club in the world. There are a couple of clubs with higher attendances, but given the ticket prices, I would expect our matchday revenue to be the highest, if not certainty in the top 3.
Just off the top of my head, the revenue for the last 6 months or whatever came out a couple of days ago. It was like a 8% decrease vs the year before, because while we had no fans, the CL group stage revenue is far higher than Europa.
The 2 PL games of this week should be enough to tell us that when there is space when we are playing against top teams we can create chances while we struggle against a low block. Haaland is a great striker but will not help us create chances. Sancho is who we need this year to unlock packed defences outside the top 6.
Haaland would be great to bring in next summer once we have won the title
Haaland would be great to bring in next summer once we have won the title
Still really want to sign him but almost certain we will need to sell an asset in order to fund a move
I think we also have better alternatives in the striker position than we do on the right wing. Sancho solves a more pressing need in this team so it'd be nice to see us go back in for him in the summer, although I kind of get the feeling that ship might've sailed.The 2 PL games of this week should be enough to tell us that when there is space when we are playing against top teams we can create chances while we struggle against a low block. Haaland is a great striker but will not help us create chances. Sancho is who we need this year to unlock packed defences outside the top 6.
Haaland would be great to bring in next summer once we have won the title
Is Sancho actually good at unlocking a low block, though? Genuine question, I've not seen full matches from him this season so wondering. Highlights make it look like most of his goals and assists come on the counter or at the very least when attacking at pace. Also it seems to me that very few weaker Bundesliga teams can really park the bus the way so many PL sides can.The 2 PL games of this week should be enough to tell us that when there is space when we are playing against top teams we can create chances while we struggle against a low block. Haaland is a great striker but will not help us create chances. Sancho is who we need this year to unlock packed defences outside the top 6.
Haaland would be great to bring in next summer once we have won the title
Sancho has pace, tricks for days and is inventive in combination play with STs, CMs and FBs. I am convinced that had we bought Sancho last summer we would have been leading the title race this year.
(Although Diallo is nowhere near ready, he is like Sancho too and this is the reason that Ole should get over his fear and throw him in against the low block).
Sancho plus a pacey quality centre back and keeping Pogba takes us up a whole new level, I just don’t see Dortmund selling Haaland unless they don’t qualify for the Champions League in which case they’d most likely have a fire sale.
If we sign Sancho then we’ve got Sancho, Diallo and Pellestri for the right wing and Cavani, Greenwood and Martial for the centre forward spot which for me is enough for two starting spots between the six of them.
If we sign Sancho then we’ve got Sancho, Diallo and Pellestri for the right wing and Cavani, Greenwood and Martial for the centre forward spot which for me is enough for two starting spots between the six of them.
Is he worth 100mil?
Depends who you ask really, but in my opinion, transfer fees has gone crazy since Neymar.
But the most important question I think is, does he bring a quality we need in the team?
I say yes, his creativity will add another dimension to our team.
And let's say we agree that he has a quality that the team needs, then do we pay 100M for him, or not?
I say no, because I don't think the club can't afford him at this fee, with the finances of the club post Covid19, it's not feasible to pay such fees for players anymore.
Depends who you ask really, but in my opinion, transfer fees has gone crazy since Neymar.
But the most important question I think is, does he bring a quality we need in the team?
I say yes, his creativity will add another dimension to our team.
And let's say we agree that he has a quality that the team needs, then do we pay 100M for him, or not?
I say no, because I don't think the club can't afford him at this fee, with the finances of the club post Covid19, it's not feasible to pay such fees for players anymore.
Can we please have the thread title changed so people stop answering a question that doesn't need to be answered? He won't be sold for 100m.
Haha I know right..... For the love of God change the title. Maybe to "Is Sancho what we need for the RW?"
Sure, this is all clearly true. I'm just wondering if we've actually see him score/create goals against a low block much for Dortmund, because all the ones I see come on the break or on the run.
They keep saying they're gonna sell him this summer, but, no one seems to want him. We were the only club in for him last season. I don't think Chelsea want him, they have enough players in those positions. So, it's really only us. I don't even think we're interested anymore.
This one is very strange.
This one is very strange.
I think it would be a huge mistake for us not to sign Sancho. I know everybody has decided Amad is the new Messi but we don't exactly have evidence to support that notion yet and in the meantime we are cracking on a decade of playing without a natural right sided attacker, we have shoehorned everybody bar bloody Phil Jones into the right wing slot as some point or another and it has cost us hugely. Sancho solves the problem at a stroke and if Amad does make the grade then so much the better because you need 2 players for every position anyway.
Dortmund need to sell, their hardball tactics last year backfired as they gambled that fans would be back in the grounds and this summer would be business as usual but now they are staring at financial disaster and there is no money around.
Instead of having this enforced fire sale that everyone is so convinced they’ll have would they not just loan the money off the banks like us and every other big club has? I don’t think any of the major clubs are sweating that much beyond telling the fans maybe they won’t be spending much but who will beyond city and chelsea?
People thinking we are going to get Sancho for anything under 90 million have been kidding themselves all season. Fans will be back next season and Dortmund aren’t going to fold and just give away one of their best players because their strategy to get us to buy Sancho early so they could find a replacement for him before their preseason didn’t come off. I don’t think it was anything more sinister than telling us to get our shit together and finally make a bid last summer after 2 years of solid speculation but everyone here was acting like Dortmund were selfish to not just roll over and give him away to us. Here we are after another season with no creativity but we might save 20 million on his fee from last summer? It doesn’t even make sense to be happy or smug about that if your club is serious about winning stuff. He’s been used to good effect in the CL and the further they go in that competition the more money they make and the less likely they are to have to sell unless they want to, especially if they qualify for it again this season. I hope we are in for him again but I’m not sure the club will spend that kind of money.
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I just based this off the quotes from the club itself. They did state that they would not reduce their ask last season because they did not think Covid was going to have that much impact on the market. More recently they have stated they need to sell to balance the books, their financial results are not looking too clever and they realize the market is not ideal. I believe they are determined to keep Haland for another year and the player himself has indicated he wants to stay another season before moving whereas they seem ready to cut bait with Sancho who is also keen on a move.
I am not smug that the price might have come down, count me in the group of fans who feel that had we bitten the bullet last summer we would be top of the table right now. I just think it would be bordering on criminally negligent to ignore the position again and there is not a better option out there.
A week without hot 'new' Sancho info. My life is beginning to feel empty.
Desperate bump for more searing insight.
It won't happen if people don't get on board!
Desperate bump for more searing insight.
It won't happen if people don't get on board!
Here's the maser plan.
Whilst all the major clubs are battling out for Haaland, swoop in with a huge Sancho bid. This is accepted and he signs due to no-one else being in for him.
Dortmund then don't need to sell Haaland for another season, at which point he is yearning to be re-united with his one and only Jadon.
Bulletproof.
Whilst all the major clubs are battling out for Haaland, swoop in with a huge Sancho bid. This is accepted and he signs due to no-one else being in for him.
Dortmund then don't need to sell Haaland for another season, at which point he is yearning to be re-united with his one and only Jadon.
Bulletproof.
Imagine if we had sancho instead of james in the right tonight. The immediate impact pogba had tonight shows just how much technical ability can lift us. I would prioritise a new getting new technical ability into the team at cm or rw (or potentially a cf) over a cb
We need him or Graelish for the wings
He really isn’t that good without space. He’s going to struggle here like the rest because it is obvious we need a player who can create a yard of space himself or can draw 2-3 defenders to unlock packed defenses.
Sancho is not that player - and hes def not worth a 100m if he cant do that for us.
Grealish is.
We will obviously make the wrong choice here as always.
This is my concern about Sancho, although I don't actually watch him play full games much. We can't assume that just because he's a gifted dribbler he's good at breaking down low blocks. Dortmund score so many of their goals in free-flowing or counter-attacking moves.
I would say it's not really valid to compare him to Grealish as a prospective signing, though. Yes, Grealish is better, at least this season. There's hardly a more in-form player in world football at the moment. But Sancho plays in our most obviously vacant position, whereas Grealish would be competing for games with some of our best players, and makes much less sense as a signing.
Big fan of grealish but he doesnt play on the right and guessing he would cost more than sancho
Not gonna lie it's worrying if he has problems shining when facing teams set up in low blocks because that is our achilles heel
Ask yourself this. If at the beginning of the season we spent £120m on Sancho would our front 3 be better?
Compare that to what we signed. Not a single player we bought features at the moment. Cavani is injured but his style of play doesn’t really suit the team. Had we bought Sancho, this summer I would say we were a CB and CF from really challenging for silverware. Now we still have two of the most expensive positions to sort out, on top of a CB. We probably have to make a choice between a CF or RW this summer.
Compare that to what we signed. Not a single player we bought features at the moment. Cavani is injured but his style of play doesn’t really suit the team. Had we bought Sancho, this summer I would say we were a CB and CF from really challenging for silverware. Now we still have two of the most expensive positions to sort out, on top of a CB. We probably have to make a choice between a CF or RW this summer.
Yeah, I like Grealish a lot, and I think he'd be a huge upgrade on the left, but Sancho covers both wings to great effect and can affect a game on either wings.
We would be mad to turn our noses up at him.
If you swap him with Dan James from the Milan game we comfortably win the game 2/3-0, that’s the difference.
Doesn’t suit the team? Please explain this expert insight...
Ask yourselves this, if we can afford one of Sancho or Grealish, both at 100M. Who would you sign?
Fast, counter attacking football hence Ole prefers using Martial even when he’s out of form.
Cavani is an expert in movement and finding gaps in defence. Are our wingers (Dan James and Greenwood from the right in particular) capable of taking advantage of that?
I think Grealish brings more to our team at the moment as I think he’s just the more reliable performer. Yes he’s older, but he’s definitely not old, and frankly if we’re to compete we don’t need more potential to our already youthful side.
I think that Grealish would bring new aspects to our game, someone who can dictate the pace and enhance our ability in possession whereas I think Sancho would play into the strenghts we already have although to a higher calibre of course.
Both of them are arguably most comfortable as LWs but we’ve got a rather fluid set up in attack anyways so I don’t think this would be much of an issue in games.
With Pogba looking like he might stay after all, Sancho makes the most sense to us unless we were open to changing into a narrower shape than we currently employ.
I like the look of both of these teams to be honest, especially if we were to bring a competent DM;
Rashford Greenwood
Bruno
Pogba - Grealish
Mctominay/Fred
Shaw Maguire Lindelof AWB
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Martial
Rashford Bruno Sancho
Mctominay Pogba
Shaw Maguire Lindelof AWB
I think the bigger mistake, one we've made a lot lately, is signing for a position that's already covered. Massive money for Grealish when we have Rashford in that role? Still leaving a big decade long gap on the right. Madness.
I get the temptation, he's a great player but you sign where most needed to begin with. Then you can add a bit of luxury by overstocking in certain positions.
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