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Would Moyes have really done any worse?
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Moyes wouldn't have done much worse.
He would have done spectacularly worse. By this stage of the 10 year Moyes plan we'd have been hoping to crack the top 12.
He would have done spectacularly worse. By this stage of the 10 year Moyes plan we'd have been hoping to crack the top 12.
If Moyes had remained manager and was given the funds and time to do his thing we’d have put in a title challenge by now.
Thread of the year.
Moyesy was a disaster
Moyesy was a disaster
Hes having a great season with West ham for sure but hes been utterly shite at every single club he's been to since he got the united job before this season. One good season in a decade does not mean he would have remained anything other than a disaster for us
Are you on a wum? He took the defending champions who didn't lose any top players to 7th. Worse case scenario should have been 2nd or 3rd that would have been forgivable but fecking 7th?
I’m all for free speech, but this is a ridiculous thread.
What Moyes does with West Ham is no more relevant to United than what he did with Everton was. The job was too much for him and he shat the bed. Fergie asking us all to be good to him allowed him months longer than he should've had but to be brutally honest, he should've been shown the door the day he sacked 25 years worth of coaches who knew exactly how to win titles.
It’s my sheer curiosity on whether this is a serious thread or not but I’ll bite, absolutely not as Moyes overachieved at Everton as he’s a mid table club level manager at best and he’s having a great season at West Ham but has everyone forgotten everything that happened when manager for us and every other thing in between this season as I haven’t ?
Keep piling on him. He deserves it.
Go in the PS5 thread too and let him know. @esmufc07 and @horsechoker create wum threads constantly and get away with it, I have been trying to stop them with little help from @oates or @Crackers.
Go in the PS5 thread too and let him know. @esmufc07 and @horsechoker create wum threads constantly and get away with it, I have been trying to stop them with little help from @oates or @Crackers.
There was always going to be a significant drop off after SAF left, just look at 01/02 when he announced his retirement and how much our performance levels dropped.
Nah.
Reason why we dropped off that season was we sold our best defender and replaced him with a 50 year old. Our attacking play from that season was amazing, we just couldn’t defend with Blanc being too slow. Then we had the problem of trying to fit Veron and moving Scholes to a position he didn’t like. Arsenal were also pretty good that season, but if we kept Stam we would have won the league.
I’d just about managed to forgot about the horror show that was Blanc
More than happy to help you in this unHoly War against these barbarians but letting me know would be an idea.
One of Fergies worst decisions.
Yo
You could give Moyes Messi and Ronaldo and he wouldn't make a title challenge. Conversely, take teams that should be mid table/top 10 to top 6.
What about what he did with Real Sociedad? What about Sunderland? What about his first stint with West Ham?
A purple patch with the Hammers this season means nothing. A good manager but should be no where near a club the size of Manchester United.
A purple patch with the Hammers this season means nothing. A good manager but should be no where near a club the size of Manchester United.
OK you are joking, phew!
Seriously if there was an event for fans in my area and Jose or LvG were there I would try everything to meet them.
If Moyes was there I would not leave my house in order to not bump into him even by mistake.
I really despise him.
Moyes could have made us a good team - but he would have done it with a team that we could not love. He would have made us solid defensively with a couple of really tall midfielders who are good at set-pieces, not the kind of football I want.
Why do we like to look back? Ole is the man in charge let’s all cheer him in while he is here, ffs.
Leave me out of this
You're on yer own pal
He can't really do worse than him, does he?
We are still recovering from him 8 years later. Hes the worst thing to happen to the club in my lifetime, how on earth could it possibly be better if he were still here? Unless you mean better for our opponents.
What a car crash of a thread FFS
One to be added for worst thread of the year in December .
One to be added for worst thread of the year in December .
He's be telling us to look at City and see what a wonderful example they are.
This is either an excellent troll, or the worst OP I've ever seen on Redcafe.
I agree that we should have stuck by him. We started losing the run off ourselves when we showed him the door without letting him get his feet under the table.
Maybe, maybe not but going from runaway champions to finishing 3rd or 4th is a significant drop off. Going from 11 points clear to 7th and only winning what was it 2 scrappy games against the top 10 that season is falling off a fecking cliff with lead boots.
To quote a Sunderland fan when Moyes was in the process of sinking them too. I hope both Moyes ears turn into arse holes and he shits all over his own shoulders.
Aside from this being an obvious WUM, Moyes isn't doing anything at West Ham that he didn't do at Everton. It was a mistake hiring him then, and him managing to get back his Everton level after years of being shite doesn't retroactively make it any less so.
The players Moyes inherited thought he was beneath them. It was never going to work. All he could do in the long term was turn us into Everton.
He’s now working with players who are prepared to listen to him and they’re currently 7th with a game in hand and a shot at top four which is fine because that’s his level.
He’s now working with players who are prepared to listen to him and they’re currently 7th with a game in hand and a shot at top four which is fine because that’s his level.
Yup. With proper amounts of funds I could definitely see Moyesy signing Lukaku for a hefty sum.
Mata would have more time on the pitch and at some point we could have a more serious try at Bale, but not much of effect in the end. Rooney probably staying till the rest of career.
Fellaini would still be the game plan and we'd be hitting 200 crosses a game as a winning strategy.
Sounds like fun.
Sounds like fun.
Moyes was sacked from Manchester United, Real Sociedad, Sunderland (relegated) (Also 2017: Moyes was fined £30,000 quid for threatening to SLAP a female BBC reporter after thinking the mic was off - So yeah, A+ character there) in succession. He had to take a lot of L since he left Everton.
There is no denying that West Ham are in fact performnig well above their perceived station, and Moyes should have his fair share of plaudits for that. But he was steering the club towards absolute disaster, from which we have never since fully recovered.
So nay, I don't believe so.
From what I remember Moyes was actually trying to play Fellaini here as DMF which was absolutely daft.
It was LVG who started using him as more of an attacking option.
Pretty weird when you think about it.
I'm sure that at some point he'd have come to the conclusion that lumping balls at a treetop would be a better alternative than lumping balls into space.
Although, with Moyes you could never be sure.
He was certainly a strange experience(if we minus the depressive experience) during his time here.
Elvis is a scouser.
Only manager post SAF that didn't get to overhaul the squad...would've done better than van Gaal or even Mourinho imo. Yeah, I know it's not cool not to hate on him. Was great at Everton...would've liked to see him sign Kroos and Cavani like he wanted to.
Hope you warmed up before that reach fella. Holy shit that's long.