He won’t be backed regardless of the contract situation. I highly doubt we’ll spend more than £50 million this summer.
Solskjaer's contract
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Signing better players is paramount to this happening so as long as that does happen then we should expect that. If it doesn't then we shouldn't expect that. It's a pretty clear and simple science that some really like to over complicate.
It actually would be.
The first time we've finished in the top 4 in successive seasons since Fergie, technically that's progress. Thing's don't happen overnight when you shop for better bench players in the summer instead of better first team players. Big summer incoming, we need some quality first team players to push on.
What's this based on? Despite United saying they want three big signings this summer and year on year?
It’s my own opinion mate. Ole has already tried to temper supporter expectations with his recent comments about spending.
Who has left the club in the last two years who you think Ole was instrumental in getting out the door? Fred Flinstone could have been made manager instead and it wouldn't have made one bit of difference to, for example, the career paths of Sanchez, Darmian, Pereira, TFM, CBJ or Rojo. The only player I'd give Ole credit to for moving on, which benefited the club in the long run, was Lukaku. Because that is the only player we sold who other managers might have rather kept and built a team around. The rest were earmarked for departure long before Ole came.Managers have very little to do with moving on players? Are you joking?
Who told you this?
And then there are other players like Herrera, Young, Smalling and Lingard who all moved on despite Ole's apparent preference at the time being for them to stay.
Just vibes I am getting when reading articles from people like Whitwell & Ducker who are pretty well connected, also didn't feel very good when Cooper described these appointments as a evolution rather than revolution
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Good thing we tied him down now, all the European Giants were circling im sure!
You said managers have little to do with moving on players they don’t want, A completely false statement that you made up to bash Ole, Ole has cleared out the majority of the dead wood that Mourinho failed to do. Mourinho didn’t sell them because he knew their experience would bring him short term success (Bad for the future).
Ole told Smalling he wasn’t going to be first choice and if he wanted to leave he could, that’s apparently nothing to do with Ole though? Lingard hadn’t hardly been picked to play in months before we loaned him out.
Managers have everything to do with players who are moved on, I wonder why we got rid of Schweinsteiger, was it because Mourinho was making him train on his own or what was it in your opinion?
If a Manager who has the trust of his board tells them that a player isn’t in their plans and they aren’t going to use them, most of the time they’ll be loaned or sold if a move is beneficial to the player and club.
Can’t believe I’m even arguing about this “Managers have little to do with moving players on” what a daft statement.
You completely fail to comprehend the difference between a manager making obvious squad decisions and the immensely difficult job (partly because of our catastrophic approach to player contracts) of actually moving the players on. We were trying to get rid of the likes of Rojo and Darmian long before Ole turned up. Sanchez was on his way regardless of who was made permanent manager. You think Ole deserves some sort of special credit for them leaving? Or for clearly not-Prem standard youth products like Pereira, CBJ or TFM getting moved on after their opportunities for loan moves dried up? Absolutely not.
"Cleared out the deadwood" is a vacuous catchphrase used way too often around here. A club is never free of deadwood, there's always a handful of players that fall under that category, there was before Ole turned up and there still is today. And the next manager will no doubt be looking at James, Donny and AWB, and let's face it probably Maguire too, as deadwood, in the same way that Ole looked at Smalling, Matic and Lukaku.
No no mate Ole is totally different he shipped out Smalling, TFM, Rojo, Alexis, Lukaku, Darmian, Valencia, Young, Fellaini and Herrera. Clearly getting rid of deadwood.
I mean Mourinho shipped out Blind, Johnstone, Januzaj, Mhikitaryan, Rooney, Ibrahimovic, Varela, Schneiderlin, Depay, McNair, Blackett, Victor Valdes and Varela.
LVG sold Di Maria, Chicharito, Evans, RVP, Nani, Rafael, Angelo Henriquez, Cleverley, Welbeck, Kawaga, Buttner, Bebe, Evra, Macheda, Vidic and Ferdinand.
But that's totally different, they just shipped out players nothing like the wonderful job Ole is doing shipping out deadwood. Impressive by Ole, amazing he's done it really.
At the start of the season you said you couldn’t see us qualifying for top four based on our squad and manager.
We have literally blown away your expectations and you are still moaning. Despite doing ten times better than you thought; you’ve doubled down on wanting Ole out. Because Ole doing a good job would mean you were wrong.
Look back at what you posted at the start of the season and now. Realise the progress we’ve made and just.. embrace it.
Maguire and AWB as deadwood for our next manager?
Do you lot actually believe some of the things you write?
You can literally see from the list of players there the difference in what Ole has done. I have no idea how you think this list supports your point. For a start two of Mourinho’s “dead wood” were signed by him.
You think it's inconceivable that our next manager might look at AWB and Maguire in the same vein that Ole looked at Smalling and Lukaku when he took the job? Deadwood isn't the right word, obviously doesn't apply to any of the four, but "not in the managers plans" certainly does. I think it's very likely the next manager will see their signings as mistakes to be corrected. Much like how I thought Mourinho's signings of Matic and Lukaku would turn into mistakes to be corrected sooner rather than later. Luckily for Maguire he's going to prove too costly a mistake for anyone to correct any time soon.
There's no difference beyond the quick turnaround of Di Maria and Mkhitaryan. This forum was raving about LVG moving on Welbeck, Cleverley, Buttner, Bebe, Macheda, and even Nani, at the time. And about him phasing out the older players. Exactly the same fallacy then as we're seeing now. Because almost exactly the same outgoings would have happened regardless of who was managing.
The bottom line is that all of the players who have left under Ole would have left in exactly the same fashion and timeframe under any other manager, except for Lukaku and Smalling, and to think otherwise is clearly delusional.
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Maguire could be a look in for team of the season and AWB is a young full back who has a very promising future.
Smalling had a couple of periods of excellent form under LVG and Mourinho, where he was talked about as being a shout for tots. Lukaku scored 27 goals in his first season with us. Ole still deemed them surplus to requirements.
If a new manager came in and wanted to revitalise the back four, pretending money was no object for a second, would anyone be tearing their hair out at AWB and Maguire being replaced? Nope, not a chance. Probably not even as much of a fuss as when LVG sold Evans and Welbeck.
Despite what people think, Solskjaer's first summer wasn't that bad. We got Maguire, James, Wan-Bissaka, and Bruno (January). Then last summer we didn't do that much business due to COVID, and we weren't the only one's being careful with our spending. Every club that isn't backed by someone who's oil rich was in the same position.
Recruitment has been a lot better under him, and if the board don't allow the same level of purchasing they did in his first season we'll be looking at all most a complete rebuild the following summer and the writing off of next season.
Well that's because revolution would be ripping up the floorboards and doing things completely differently, the current method and long term thought process is working. Evolution is just a better way of doing the things we're currently doing. It would be silly to just scrap it and start again.
What's he supposed to say?
"We're going big this year lads, fecking huge in fact. Like Big Sam on a 18-30's holiday. Get your cocks out in anticipation. Jadon lad, Jackie boy, we're coming for you both, start packing your suitcases!"
Any talk of United having money to spend just pushes the prices we pay up further. It's fecking stupid for Solskajer to even discuss the topic of transfers.
I appreciate where you're coming from and agree that there are definite signs of progress in some areas. Still, we should be playing CL football right now and that monumental balls up falls on the manager's shoulders. After that clusterfeck, we need to progress as far as is possible in the Europa League to make amends. He's taken us to 4 (?) semi-finals now and we've crapped out of every time. He needs to show he's able to elevate the team and himself to that next level by actually getting to a final and ideally winning something. He's been here for nearly 3 years now. I also have fairly big concerns regarding some of our transfers. The integration of Van de Beek, in particular, has been quite peculiar and speaks to our continued misfiring in the transfer market. This summer and next season are absolutely make or break and I really hope he can do it (assuming we finish strong this season).In fairness I have totally lost the plot in this thread a little
I’m extremely doubtful Ole is the man to win us titles but the disrespect he receives for the job he’s done so far is ludicrous and it is starting to seriously piss me off. Finishing 3rd last year with Pogba and Rashford out for most of the season and Bruno only there for half of it was actually overachieving. Andreas Pereira was first choice for christ sake. There was a thread on here saying we could be relegated!!! Same with finishing 2nd this year, after the clusterfeck of the summer we’d have snapped that up at the start of the season. Instead people are trying to rewrite history and insist we should be challenging city for the title. It’s bollocks. He is getting what he should out of the squad whilst slowly integrating young talent and improving it. We’re in a far better place than when he arrived and as long as there are signs of progress he deserves to stay.
Been doing a bit of thinking and this whole thing seemed odd. There is no pressure from the fans to give Ole a new contract just like when he became a permanent manager.
So why now?
I think the answer is Halaand. Someone leaked the news yesterday that he is our main priority this summer and that we're going all out for him. Now when you couple that with the fact that Ole is getting a new contract, it all makes sense.
Something tells me that our club has been in touch with Halaand's representatives and one of the the assurances was that Ole should be our manager for the long haul. Ole was one of Halaand's original mentors plus that would 100% guarantee him that he'd be a key player for us.
If you think about it this way it makes more sense why our club decided to renew Ole's contract mid season with so many competitions in balance and Top4 not yet secured. Though I'm fairly certain that we won't announce the new deal until we have Top4 all wrapped up. That and I imagine Halaand would require that we're playing in the CL next season if he decides to come.
So why now?
I think the answer is Halaand. Someone leaked the news yesterday that he is our main priority this summer and that we're going all out for him. Now when you couple that with the fact that Ole is getting a new contract, it all makes sense.
Something tells me that our club has been in touch with Halaand's representatives and one of the the assurances was that Ole should be our manager for the long haul. Ole was one of Halaand's original mentors plus that would 100% guarantee him that he'd be a key player for us.
If you think about it this way it makes more sense why our club decided to renew Ole's contract mid season with so many competitions in balance and Top4 not yet secured. Though I'm fairly certain that we won't announce the new deal until we have Top4 all wrapped up. That and I imagine Halaand would require that we're playing in the CL next season if he decides to come.
Tin foil hats on. C*cks out. Thats some quality transfer mupperty right there
What evidence do you have on that? Just an opinion?
To make it clear, we are extending his contract to convince Haaland? What if he does not sign for us? Alternatively, he signs, we turn shite and sack Ole. What happens next?
ffs! He’s doing a good job so far and deserves another summer minimum.
That’s a cracking and original joke! Did you come up with this yourself?! Amazing!
Haha exactly this. Some fans need to chill on trying to find things Ole’s ‘done’. Judge him on coaching, what we see on the pitch and trophies.
He’s not the coach. He’s the manager of Manchester United. If people can’t acknowledge the progress we have made in every dept since he arrived and have optimism for the future for further development then I have to wonder if these people are paying enough attention. We are a force to be reckoned with again. We’ve got our pride back, we are doing the right things on and off the pitch. We can’t play like the Harlem globe trotters every game.
AWB and Maguire are both excellent, would be madness to get rid of them.
You would even argue that Lukaku, Smalling and Herrera would still make our team stronger were they here. The real deadwood is still here on the medical couch.
How does Herrera make the team stronger when you essentially have two facsimiles to him in Fred and McTominay, who are more reliable to stay fit?
What is the source that leaked that little gem of information?
No I don’t think they would at all. Lukaku is a machine for Inter but was not doing it for us and still wrong fit. The other two, plain “no”.
Specifically on transfers, which is what the poster was talking about, I don’t understand why people praise managers (in general not just Ole) for players leaving who are already on their way out/the club is trying to sell.
Lukaku we should praise Ole for - that was clearly an active decision by him (that Lukaku would not be first choice and so Ole let him look for a new club). Smalling also falls into this category.
But players like Sanchez, Rojo etc. Who Judge has been trying to move on since pre Ole are not something to praise/criticise a manager for. We also know how transfers work at United and so it’s strange logic to say the least.
I think we need to be more daring like chelsea with managerial decisions and replace ole. Ole has done well but does anyone believe we will ever be the best under him? If not then why drag it out unless we are club content to play it safe, ambitious sides don't do that, just look at psg, bayern, barca, chelsea, real madrid etc.. who have not been content with being second best under certain managers.
The players clearly like Ole, so it might not be anything more than simply providing them with a bit of reassurance and stability. Unless you've lost the dressing room, not knowing whether your manager is sticking around can be rather unsettling. There might well be contract negotiations hanging on it as well.
It's Luckhurst, not the most reliable but the article reads like a brief.
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You're asking me as if I'm Woodward.
The idea is that Ole is going to get a contract extension at the end of the season. But instead we're giving it to him now before we begin the negotiations for Halaand.
This bit really annoys me he is here much closer to 2 years than 3. Less than 2 years and 3 months total, less than 2 as permanent manager
I don't know why it annoys me but it does.
Kane gets a mention as well eh?It's Luckhurst, not the most reliable but the article reads like a brief.
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You're asking me as if I'm Woodward.
The idea is that Ole is going to get a contract extension at the end of the season. But instead we're giving it to him now before we begin the negotiations for Halaand.
Sounds like a load of shite to me but I am sure it will be amped up even more once the season is over and there is not even matches to talk about.
Christ. Of all the interesting points of debate to be had about Ole and the club and that's what you contribute! This is his third season in charge. People will say this is Tuchel's first season in charge. Big expectations in less than generous timeframes are unavoidable at big clubs. He's been here long enough now that we need to see results. I don't know how I'd make it through the day (or bother reading/posting on a forum) if small things like that annoyed me to be honest.