Was he injured in the Liverpool final too ?
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Yeah he had sustained an ankle injury just before in the clasico that forced him off at HT. He wasn't at 100% in time for the Liverpool game.
The problem with statistics is they don't tell the whole story do they? For instance, they tell you that he scored so many but do they tell you how? A tap in is a goal as is a top corner curler. Same thing with assists; a simple pass that leaves the goalscorer alot to do is an assist as is a through pass taking out 4 or 5 players; In both goals and assists the former typify Cristiano, the later typify Messi.
PS: He was fit for all 3 finals, just excuses.
So he is injury prone then?
Messi needs 19 minutes longer on the pitch to score a goal in a KO round. It's a difference, but not a huge difference - not the same difference as Messi having 39% more MOTM awards as Ronaldo in the same competition.
Thats a ko right there
Running away after hes done everything worth doing. What was left to accomplish there?
This isn't even debatable
Paying taxes?
Messi in his most prolific seasons scored more tap-ins than Ronaldo. Ronaldo in his best Madrid seasons scored goals from ranges and angles Messi could only dream of
Not true at all.
Messi has scored 586 goals with his magical left foot and 91 with his right foot. Out of these goals, 70 were from outside the box and 491 from inside the box. He has scored 90 goals from the penalty spot
Talking about goal distribution, Ronaldo has 473 goals with his right foot and 135 with his left foot. He has scored 497 goals from inside the box and 58 from outside the box.
Messi has always been better from long range than Ronaldo and not just from free kicks.
Long range counts from anything outside the box. Messi’s main zone is within 20-25 yards. He has rarely scored many 35 yard+ goals like Ronaldo has scored such has his strikes against the likes of Porto, Arsenal, Osasuna, Atletico, Portsmouth, Denmark, etc
In the 2 motm he won during 2008 and 2017 final, all you could emphasis is “anonymous”. You are clearly bias and such negativity is blinding you from talking any sense. So, let’s just stop it here.
By the way, 4 goals in final vs 2
5 wins in final vs 3
2 motm vs 2
It’s clear the former has “done” more than the later in CL finals.
No matter how blind you are, you still have to deal with this as a fact.
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I didn't knew goals from outside the box are tap ins, if they aren't 35 yards.
Of couse group stage goals are just as important as knockout stage.
You're sticking to Ronaldo being the worst player on the pitch in the very same match Karius gifted Madrid the CL?
How he did greatly to help his team get to that final, when he didn’t play any games any minutes in the 2 semi, didn’t play any games any minutes in 2 quarters, and only play 30 mins in last 16? Throughout that campaign he only scored 1 goal too, is that what you as regarded “great” to you, whereas whatever Ronaldo did to win CL as top scorer every time in his winning campaign was poor to you?
It’s getting too ridiculous to a point that scoring most goals to win CL is poor contribution if it’s Ronaldo, whereas sitting on bench watching his teammates winning CL throughout all the knockout stages is great contribution if it’s Messi. You really need to sort out your own double standard as it’s way too extreme. I know you have your own agenda here, but at least try to be more subtle.
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Successfully defend a La Liga title?
He was injured, but go ahead. Keep telling yourself what you want if that makes you feel better. There’s no point in arguing with someone with an agenda.
450 goals. Non existent contribution. FOUR HUNDRED FIFTY GOALS! That's 1 goals per game.
Ok , you got me
To be fair, the way all players in Spain seem to get done for some kind of tax issue, id be off too. Bit dodgy how that issue comes up with all the high earners. Must be to fund Barca's transfersPaying taxes?
Hardly gonna make him to stay is it over winning a title in another league.
How do you justify Messi dwarfing Ronaldo in MOTM awards?Of couse group stage goals are just as important as knockout stage.
If Ronaldo has been 'undebatably' better than Messi in the CL, it's strange that Messi has 24 more MOTM awards than him. That's a huge gap.
This thread is worse than the Brexit thread.
Thing with Cristiano in his later Madrid years is that even when he decided the game, he usually didn't even look like the best player on the pitch that evening. If you took a look at every action he had on the ball and rate it, you'd probably count like 30-40 actions, three to four of them very good ones (usually resulting in goals), 20-30 decent to average ones (side way passes etc.) and 3-4 bad ones (misplaced passes, bad touches, unnecessary shots). A Modric on the other hand probably had 5-10 very good plays, 50+ decent to average ones and 1-2 bad ones if at all. Kroos, Marcelo, etc. are similar stories. If you somehow forgot all players and what you associated with them and randomly watched one of those Madrid vs. Bayern or Madrid vs. Juventus quarter/semi finals, then you wouldn't say Cristiano was the best player on the pitch, even if he scored two goals. And if you would,
And that's why I don't get the glorification. I'm far more impressed by the stuff that Ronaldo did earlier in his career than what he did during Madrid's three consecutive CL wins. Lewandowski was just as good last season but he's nowhere close to the CR7 between 2008 and 2013. Goals and trophies aren't everything folks.
And that's why I don't get the glorification. I'm far more impressed by the stuff that Ronaldo did earlier in his career than what he did during Madrid's three consecutive CL wins. Lewandowski was just as good last season but he's nowhere close to the CR7 between 2008 and 2013. Goals and trophies aren't everything folks.
Every Ronaldo or Messi thread is twitter levels of awful.
Completely agree. Sadly it's become a game about stats for many fans.
He was a starter for most of the group stages, and toyed with Mourinho's Chelsea on the round of 16. Read Mourinho's report and tell me Messi wasnt important in that team:
https://www.sportbible.com/football...on-barcelona-from-0506-is-remarkable-20190911
Look at the emphasis that report puts on Messi.
And btw, you are arguing different things here. Im talking about finals, and you bring up whole CL campaigns. Yes, he was top scorer on a lot of CL seasons, and that is an amazing feat, but ultimately he played very average on most of those finals, you cant say Messi played average or bad in any CL final he has played.
In fact, Messi's performance vs United in 2011 is something that CR7 hasnt done in any final whatsoever of any tournament. And this is what we are arguing, that Messi has been a better finals player than CR7.
Only reason this has been going for almost 3 pages is because you cant admit this simple fact, and you keep arguing in circles about goals, penalties, etc. You cant really tell me with a straight face that CR7 has performed better on the CL finals than Messi.
Didn't think the Ronaldo fanboys could be anymore hilarious until the posts in here by Bebestation and his comments about his kid and growth.
Then MrEleson claims Ronaldo was 40% fit in CL finals and Messi scores tap ins. Deary me.
Then MrEleson claims Ronaldo was 40% fit in CL finals and Messi scores tap ins. Deary me.
He scored the goal in the 20th minute. You are complaining that someone was 'anonymous' in a CL final in which they scored two goals, after having scored 3 goals in the semifinals and 5 in the quarterfinals.
I don't really understand why people always have to go to these completely untenable and unjustifiable extremes when they talk about these guys.
Ronaldo has an incredible CL record. He's the top goalscorer, has won most titles than anyone currently active, has the first second and (i think) third goalscoring records in the competition.
You want to argue that stats aren't everything, fine, go wild. But to try and argue that, somehow, being the top goalscorer and top CL winner is actually masking the fact that he is a mediocre player who doesn't contribute, is completely deranged.
Ronaldo has an incredible CL record. He's the top goalscorer, has won most titles than anyone currently active, has the first second and (i think) third goalscoring records in the competition.
You want to argue that stats aren't everything, fine, go wild. But to try and argue that, somehow, being the top goalscorer and top CL winner is actually masking the fact that he is a mediocre player who doesn't contribute, is completely deranged.
Sure, I guess for the cr7 50cents army, going to Juve to win Serie A is a bigger challenge than staying in Real Madrid and challenge Barca and A.Madrid for the La Liga. Afterall, CR7 won 2 La Liga titles in 9 seasons with Real Madrid, but him going to Juve and getting freebie titles is more challenging according to them.
He said without scoring, you just answered his “without scoring” with how many cr7 scores. Yup he got you
MoTM awards are the equivalent of having judges judge football like they do diving.
Tribalism. Neither side can see the forest for the trees.
Yeah and Messi has been judged to have been the best player on the pitch far more than Cristiano in the CL. 39% times more.. that's a lot.
You still sticking to your undebatable claim?
I mean, that just goes to show that goals are a bad criterion to judge a player. During tgeir CL winning years, Madrid fielded an absolutely amazing team, both individually and collectively, and they had an all time great striker as the cherry on the cake. That's a match made in heaven and it lead to ridiculois heights for Cristiano in terms of goal scoring. But who really followed him closely will agree that he wasn't as good as between 2008 and 2013. That player in that team would be even better than what we witnessed.
Not every great in history got to play in such a squad. The same goes for Messi by the way. So I think it's a bit short sighted to just see the goal and trophy records and derive something from it. People should be comparing players, not goal records and trophy cabinets.
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If you take away Ronaldo's goals his stats at Real actually read very poorly....that is a unique criticism in fairness.
When did Ronaldo and Curtis Jackson raise an army?
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