Solskjaer's contract

[devilish]

you still don’t get it.

a £65m player should be a Hit with his new club, that’s not a surprise, and not something to beat the club up about.

the other three you mentioned all went on loan, with a view to being sold (with smalling already sold).

do you think it would reflect better on the club, if they all went away and were poor?

You don't get it. We lost a proven goalscorer, 2 years had passed and while Lukaku is dragging Inter to a league title we're left with no one capable of putting the ball in the net. We sold of Smalling and we still moaning of a tall, rapid CB that can make Maguire look good. These players would have been handy if Ole could adapt his tactics to them, something he couldn't. As said, do you think that Sir Alex always had the perfect squad? He wanted Batistuta and Shearer but he had to settle for Cole who was a totally different player both in terms of talent and skillset. Still he kept winning left, right and centre. That's what a top manager does.

As said I am Ole out lite. I can see his qualities and they shouldn't be underestimated because they are the building blocks of what a top manager in this day and age must have. However he need people around him with the experience to challenge him intellectually

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

You don't get it. We lost a proven goalscorer, 2 years had passed and while Lukaku is dragging Inter to a league title we're left with no one capable of putting the ball in the net. We sold of Smalling and we still moaning of a tall, rapid CB that can make Maguire look good. These players would have been handy if Ole could adapt his tactics to them, something he couldn't. As said, do you think that Sir Alex always had the perfect squad? He wanted Batistuta and Shearer but he had to settle for Cole who was a totally different player both in terms of talent and skillset. Still he kept winning left, right and centre. That's what a top manager does.

As said I am Ole out lite. I can see his qualities and they shouldn't be underestimated because they are the building blocks of what a top manager in this day and age must have. However he need people around him with the experience to challenge him intellectually

you are intolerable.

so you want Lingard and Dalot back at United?

you think we were wrong to sell Lukaku?

no one cares about your ‘Ole out lite’ phraseology.

you actually think Ole should have adapted his tactics around Lukaku and Smalling? How about Fellaini and Sanchez. Both have had some success at their new clubs.

your argument seems to be that OGS should have came in and just played the same way as Jose with Jose’s players. You know that’s bonkers don’t you?

your analogies/ comparisons to SAF are illogical and irrelevant.

a far better analysis of SAF, would be that he was unafraid to move on players who were no longer useful or didn’t have the right attitude, which is exactly what OGS had done

As usual your bleak and negative outlook blinds you from a rational analysis, and you wrap yourself up in ideas to justify your negativity.

 

[devilish]

you are intolerable.

so you want Lingard and Dalot back at United?

you think we were wrong to sell Lukaku?

no one cares about your ‘Ole out lite’ phraseology.

you actually think Ole should have adapted his tactics around Lukaku and Smalling? How about Fellaini and Sanchez. Both have had some success at their new clubs.

your argument seems to be that OGS should have came in and just played the same way as Jose with Jose’s players. You know that’s bonkers don’t you?

your analogies/ comparisons to SAF are illogical and irrelevant.

a far better analysis of SAF, would be that he was unafraid to move on players who were no longer useful or didn’t have the right attitude, which is exactly what OGS had done

As usual your bleak and negative outlook blinds you from a rational analysis, and you wrap yourself up in ideas to justify your negativity.

why all this hostility and negativity against me?. I thought we're having an adult conversation here. Also if you don't care about my argument why discussing them in the first place? I won't be dragged into yet another endless tit for tat with someone with too much time in his hands who probably think that winning an argument on redcafe is the best he can achieve. It bores me. So sure, whatever.

 

[matsdf]

It's interesting to see people say we're a dull team. We're second in goals scored in the league, we scored 15 goals in 6 games (only beaten by Barcelona and Bayern) in a pretty tough group in the CL. In La Liga only Barcelona have outscored us.

Yes we have stagnated a bit lately, but that might very well be down to us having played a ton of games this season. You have to take a look at other teams as well. There are plenty of good teams that strugle way more than we do.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

why all this hostility and negativity against me?. I thought we're having an adult conversation here. Also if you don't care about my argument why discussing them in the first place? I won't be dragged into yet another endless tit for tat with someone with too much time in his hands who probably think that winning an argument on redcafe is the best he can achieve. It bores me. So sure, whatever.

I’ve replied a couple of times on this thread to you, and questioned your points, and you’ve chosen to ignore what I actually said. That’s your right, but dined the help a discussion.

I don’t think you actually read what other people post. I didn’t say I didn’t care about your argument, I said that about your ‘Ole out lite’ moniker.

you do unfortunately perpetuate a picture of doom and gloom throughout the forum.

You flip flop spectacularly when it comes to players. If I did have time, I’d search for your opinion on Lingard and Dalot - I would bet that you didn’t want them at the club, And you were questioning them. Yet now they are out on loan you use that as a stick to beat the manager with.

I will ignore your personal attack, as I’m more than comfortable in my life achievements, which I don’t need to state, or to argue with you about, nor do I need to stoop, and attempt to belittle you in the same way on an anonymous forum.

 

[Bilbo]

What would your thoughts be if instead of Ole taking over when he did we employed someone with no affiliation to the club and we are in the exact same position we're in now.

It's probably true we've played some of our best football since SAF but those games are very few and far between with the majority of the games falling below the standard expected from us as a club. A rebuild can only be used as an excuse for so long and many on here think the time already given with our standard of play generally isn't where we think it should be which I know is where your opinion differs but would you have the same patience if it was big Sam sitting in the hotseat and not Ole?

What you're implying here is that I'm unable to see the situation clearly because we have a former player in charge. Its an accusation that is levelled towards his supporters a lot. By extension then I'd also have endless patience if it were Keane, Neville, Stam, Bruce or countless other former players that could have found themselves managing the club. I can say with all honesty that it doesn't make an ounce of difference to me. Ole wasn't one of my top 5 favourite players, and I never followed his career after he left us, so this 'fanboy' angle isn't a factor at all.

With regards to the style of football I sometimes feel like this forum is living in an alternate reality, where the team haven't played twice a week every single week this season and more than every other team in Europe. The expectations of this place have always been beyond what anyone could realistically expect of any manager.

 

[devilish]

I’ve replied a couple of times on this thread to you, and questioned your points, and you’ve chosen to ignore what I actually said. That’s your right, but dined the help a discussion.

I don’t think you actually read what other people post. I didn’t say I didn’t care about your argument, I said that about your ‘Ole out lite’ moniker.

you do unfortunately perpetuate a picture of doom and gloom throughout the forum.

You flip flop spectacularly when it comes to players. If I did have time, I’d search for your opinion on Lingard and Dalot - I would bet that you didn’t want them at the club, And you were questioning them. Yet now they are out on loan you use that as a stick to beat the manager with.

I will ignore your personal attack, as I’m more than comfortable in my life achievements, which I don’t need to state, or to argue with you about, nor do I need to stoop, and attempt to belittle you in the same way on an anonymous forum.

I wasn't the one using hostile words like intolerable, irrelevant and illogical instead of engaging into a mature discussion. Anyway go and bother someone else. I won't be entertaining you any longer. I find that to be boring

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

I wasn't the one using hostile words like intolerable, irrelevant and illogical instead of engaging into a mature discussion. Anyway go and bother someone else. I won't be entertaining you any longer. I find that to be boring

those aren’t hostile words. Having reviewed them, they perfectly describe the tone of your posts.

yet here you are.

nothing wrong with picking people up on negativity, toxicity and constant flip flopping. Which many others have also done in reference to you on the forum.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

What you're implying here is that I'm unable to see the situation clearly because we have a former player in charge. Its an accusation that is levelled towards his supporters a lot. By extension then I'd also have endless patience if it were Keane, Neville, Stam, Bruce or countless other former players that could have found themselves managing the club. I can say with all honesty that it doesn't make an ounce of difference to me. Ole wasn't one of my top 5 favourite players, and I never followed his career after he left us, so this 'fanboy' angle isn't a factor at all.

With regards to the style of football I sometimes feel like this forum is living in an alternate reality, where the team haven't played twice a week every single week this season and more than every other team in Europe. The expectations of this place have always been beyond what anyone could realistically expect of any manager.

I'm by no means saying you're an Ole fan boy as you put it. My question was if Ole (insert any other ex United player) had no affiliation with the club would you have the same patience as you would if big Sam was managing the club?

With regards to the style of football I'm not talking about the last couple of months when everyone has played non stop but talking about his tenure as a whole. Some people look at the results while others look at the performances because the 2 aren't mutually inclusive. Winning games when we're struggling is a good trait to have but when it applies to 75% of our matches then surely questions have to be asked?

 

[Bilbo]

I'm by no means saying you're an Ole fan boy as you put it. My question was if Ole (insert any other ex United player) had no affiliation with the club would you have the same patience as you would if big Sam was managing the club?

With regards to the style of football I'm not talking about the last couple of months when everyone has played non stop but talking about his tenure as a whole. Some people look at the results while others look at the performances because the 2 aren't mutually inclusive. Winning games when we're struggling is a good trait to have but when it applies to 75% of our matches then surely questions have to be asked?

All I can say regarding the first point is that I'm sure that I would be happier if a former player were successful here, but I really don't feel like I give him any more slack that I would anyone else. I genuinely think he's done a very good job. What can I say? I'm not defending a guy who is taking us backwards here.

With regards to style of football, again I can't say that I'm unhappy with what's happening. Even just since the start of the year we've had a great win vs Liverpool in the cup, a fantastic win at City, a 4-0 away to Socieded. A win in Milan and a 9-0 too. Your 75% figure is exaggerated. Of course there have been poor games too, and others where we've had to grind it out, but we've just come through a period of 32 matches in 15.5 weeks. It's really not unexpected to see that.

The problem with our fanbase these days is that good wins are quickly forgotten but every poor result and performance lingers long in the memory, and nobody ever really seems to pay much of a mind to the circumstances. Its no wonder everything feels so toxic.

 

[DRJosh]

Beats me why anyone would think another manager could turn Fred and MCT into world-beating superstars or even top players.

Sir Alex was one in a million - quite literally.

We need more squad quality before anything else. I don't have an opinion for whether Ole should stay or not. There are more fundamental cracks in squad quality that need to be addressed first. One that has been perpetuated by a history of poor transfer decisions starting from Moyes' tenure.

 

[red thru&thru]

I'm hoping that if Ole signs a new contract, it may mean he will be backed...at least this year. Otherwise he knows the current squad is just not good enough to be competing for trophies.

But what you hear from most of the reliable sources is that he will be backed, so that's fair enough. But I'm still in the camp that we could do with a coach who is a level up from Ole but I so want to be proven wrong and hope Ole wins the league for us.

 

[VP89]

Beats me why anyone would think another manager could turn Fred and MCT into world-beating superstars or even top players.

Sir Alex was one in a million - quite literally.

We need more squad quality before anything else. I don't have an opinion for whether Ole should stay or not. There are more fundamental cracks in squad quality that need to be addressed first. One that has been perpetuated by a history of poor transfer decisions starting from Moyes' tenure.

Why are Fred and McT scapegoats here? We have a striker who is terribly off form, a winger playing at 50% capacity (if that) and no right winger. I think these are the problems more than what's going on centrally.

Although yes, I do agree with your general point. It's impressive that Ole has churned out the results he did with the above in mind.

 

[Adam-Utd]

I'm hoping that if Ole signs a new contract, it may mean he will be backed...at least this year. Otherwise he knows the current squad is just not good enough to be competing for trophies.

But what you hear from most of the reliable sources is that he will be backed, so that's fair enough. But I'm still in the camp that we could do with a coach who is a level up from Ole but I so want to be proven wrong and hope Ole wins the league for us.

Ole is a good manager, but perhaps not the best coach.

What we need is better coaching staff to help him. Everybody has said how he is a good man manager which is a huge part of management these days.

If we could get a Renee Muelensteen or similar to help him build the patterns of play we need, retain the ball etc.

Other sports like the NFL have 1 "head coach" and attack / defence minded sector coaches, I don't see why we can't have that either.

 

[red thru&thru]

Why are Fred and McT scapegoats here? We have a striker who is terribly off form, a winger playing at 50% capacity (if that) and no right winger. I think these are the problems more than what's going on centrally.

Although yes, I do agree with your general point. It's impressive that Ole has churned out the results he did with the above in mind.

In the grand scheme of things, Ole has probably done better than what was offered to him in the summer gone by. He really wanted Sancho, and you can see why. He also wanted Jude Bellingham, who also would have added something we don't currently have, a ball carrying centre midfielder, other than Pogba.

If Ole does get Sancho (or player of the same ilk) and a more competent DM (Rice or Ndidi), then I believe we will see a much better team, and our attacking players perform that little bit better.

 

[red thru&thru]

Ole is a good manager, but perhaps not the best coach.

What we need is better coaching staff to help him. Everybody has said how he is a good man manager which is a huge part of management these days.

If we could get a Renee Muelensteen or similar to help him build the patterns of play we need, retain the ball etc.

Other sports like the NFL have 1 "head coach" and attack / defence minded sector coaches, I don't see why we can't have that either.

Yeah, fully agree with this. This was Fergies strength, man management. However, he brought in top coaches to do the coaching of them team.

I suppose fans like me, just don't see/understand who these top coaches are, as we don't get to see enough of what they do, and pinpoint it to the manager/head coach being the issue. But do agree, better coaches would probably add more. I think a really good example of this is Rui Faria leaving Jose. Jose just hasn't been the same manager since he left.

 

[red4ever 79]

Why are Fred and McT scapegoats here? We have a striker who is terribly off form, a winger playing at 50% capacity (if that) and no right winger. I think these are the problems more than what's going on centrally.

Although yes, I do agree with your general point. It's impressive that Ole has churned out the results he did with the above in mind.

I think McFred do get a lot more criticisim than most, but hasnt that always been part of human nature to side with some players. You have to admit they are fecking terrible and playing them both as holding midfielders has taken away a huge amount of enjoyment and freedom in the attacking sense. That's not their fault, that's on the manager. I do agree Martial has been woeful this season not only in performance but his body language is shocking. Rashford is hit and miss, more miss lately but seems to be one of Ole's trusted men. We have a lot of issues and a bad summer transfer window last season didnt resolve any of them. What faith we have this summer?

 

[Bilbo]

Why are Fred and McT scapegoats here? We have a striker who is terribly off form, a winger playing at 50% capacity (if that) and no right winger. I think these are the problems more than what's going on centrally.

Agreed. Easy targets, but the wrong targets

 

[VP89]

I think McFred do get a lot more criticisim than most, but hasnt that always been part of human nature to side with some players. You have to admit they are fecking terrible and playing them both as holding midfielders has taken away a huge amount of enjoyment and freedom in the attacking sense.

No, I don't admit that they are "pretty fecking terrible". They are not terrible, far from. They are actually good players, and our stunted attack is not solely down to them. It's also a combination of having a slow CB pairing and a disjointed attack in front of them. There are plenty of games where Pogba has played in the middle and we've still looked shite, so I strongly disagree with the targetting of them two being the root issue, and even moreso that they are "fecking terrible".

That's not their fault, that's on the manager. I do agree Martial has been woeful this season not only in performance but his body language is shocking. Rashford is hit and miss, more miss lately but seems to be one of Ole's trusted men. We have a lot of issues and a bad summer transfer window last season didnt resolve any of them. What faith we have this summer?

We will have to see, but the problems are bigger in other areas of the pitch than they are in the middle. Yes we can do with a great 6, but more than that we can do with a speedy CB and a proper striker and right winger. We literally have none of those.

 

[red4ever 79]

No, I don't admit that they are "pretty fecking terrible". They are not terrible, far from. They are actually good players, and our stunted attack is not solely down to them. It's also a combination of having a slow CB pairing and a disjointed attack in front of them. There are plenty of games where Pogba has played in the middle and we've still looked shite, so I strongly disagree with the targetting of them two being the root issue, and even moreso that they are "fecking terrible".

We will have to see, but the problems are bigger in other areas of the pitch than they are in the middle. Yes we can do with a great 6, but more than that we can do with a speedy CB and a proper striker and right winger. We literally have none of those.

That's fine a forum is all about people's opinions and having different opinions. That's why we are here to debate. You think they are far from terrible, I think they are terrible. Agree with you why they are there, to protect the back two, that's another issue, not buying a CB last summer when we clearly need one, and spunking 80m on one, who needs to have a player with pace alongside him.

 

[Abraxas]

I think McFred do get a lot more criticisim than most, but hasnt that always been part of human nature to side with some players. You have to admit they are fecking terrible and playing them both as holding midfielders has taken away a huge amount of enjoyment and freedom in the attacking sense. That's not their fault, that's on the manager. I do agree Martial has been woeful this season not only in performance but his body language is shocking. Rashford is hit and miss, more miss lately but seems to be one of Ole's trusted men. We have a lot of issues and a bad summer transfer window last season didnt resolve any of them. What faith we have this summer?

I think it's a bit harsh to term McTominay and Fred in this way when we would be in pretty serious trouble if we didn't have them. It's therefore pretty reasonable to suggest we wouldn't be in with a chance of a reasonable season without them. It's not as if we're playing this pair against all logic, it is a partnership borne out of necessity on the one hand and also them being pretty good players on the other, even though it is evident some of their weaknesses overlap causing us problems in some notable areas.

It says a lot about the various options that are available. Matic, by all accounts has been diabolically bad, he simply appears to be past the point of being useful. Pogba seems unable to string a season together for us, whether it is inconsistency or bouts of injury. Van de Beek has added very little, unfortunately, it has been hard to work out exactly what his qualities are.

 

[romufc]

. My question was if Ole (insert any other ex United player) had no affiliation with the club would you have the same patience as you would if big Sam was managing the club?

With regards to the style of football I'm not talking about the last couple of months when everyone has played non stop but talking about his tenure as a whole. Some people look at the results while others look at the performances because the 2 aren't mutually inclusive. Winning games when we're struggling is a good trait to have but when it applies to 75% of our matches then surely questions have to be asked?

The problem with this questions is he is affiliated to the club, so he does get patience.

Its like saying, if Pep was not a barca player, would he have got the job?
If Zidane wasn't a Real player, would he have got the job?

 

[Forevergiggs1]

The problem with this questions is he is affiliated to the club, so he does get patience.

Its like saying, if Pep was not a barca player, would he have got the job?
If Zidane wasn't a Real player, would he have got the job?

Maybe not but it's an absolute guarantee that if neither of them hadn't won anything in 2 1/2 seasons they wouldn't have continued in the job. Instead if I remember correctly in Peps first season he won 6 trophies and Zidane won 2 CLs and la liga in 1 1/2 seasons so you can take a country mile multiply that by about 24 million and then make a comparison with Ole.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Maybe not but it's an absolute guarantee that if neither of them hadn't won anything in 2 1/2 seasons they wouldn't have continued in the job. Instead if I remember correctly in Peps first season he won 6 trophies and Zidane won 2 CLs and la liga in 1 1/2 seasons so you can take a country mile multiply that by about 24 million and then make a comparison with Ole.

Not really a fair comparison though. Those two squads were title challengers when they both took over and a sunday league coach would have a decent chance of competing with those two in Spain. They have dominated that league forever basically.

That's not true in the PL. When Ole took over we were like 8th in the table about 30 odd points behind the leaders and definitely not a PL winning quality squad.

Zidane wouldn't have done any better than 3rd last season with us for example. The team simply isn't that great. It's got one or two great components but it's a long way off where it needs to be and that's mostly on the club not Ole.

 

[AR87]

Ole isn't perfect but he's done a good job. There have been moments I've wobbled on supporting him, but overall I think it's illogical to move on from him based on his work.

The squad is in a better place than it's been, but it still lacks quality depth. Fred and McTominay are good squad options, but because of Pogba's injury, and Matic being almost entirely worthless now, those 2 need to play far more frequently than they should which lays bare their weaknesses.

VdB has not started well, but adaptation is a mitigating factor. Next year will be make or break for him.

Our attacking contributions this year aside from Rashford and Fernandes has been appalling. Martial and Greenwood are well out of form despite numerous chances, and Cavani has been stop start with injuries and suspension. James has actually been decent this season and bounced back well.

The club didn't get Ole a first-team ready RW last season dsspite that being earmarked as a priority position. We also lack reliable RB and CB depth.

Pogba's injuries and covids struggles are well documented. That's been a big loss.

Aside from failing to qualify out the CL group, given the circumstances, I think having us 2nd in the league with the 2nd most goals scored, after a bizarre preseason or lack thereof, with the number of matches we've had is progress. There's still 9 matches left and Europa which, if he continues to put out strong XIs for he should be expected to win, and at the very least get to the finals of.

We'll need to evaluate that, but based on the season so far the rumblings of a new contract seem reasonable to me. He's earned it.

 

[Siorac]

When Ole took over we were like 8th in the table about 30 odd points behind the leaders

Just for the sake of accuracy: we were 6th, 19 points behind.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Just for the sake of accuracy: we were 6th, 19 points behind.

Yeah sorry I meant on course to finish that far behind as he took over mid season. But the point still stands. Anyone who is pretending Ole walked into the Utd job with the same chance of success as Pep at Barca n Zidane at Madrid is an absolute joker. He clearly didn't. A lot of our fanbase seem to be stuck in 2012/13 and have forgotten just how far we have fallen. The big Spanish two never fell this far. Not even close.

 

[NasirTimothy]

Maybe not but it's an absolute guarantee that if neither of them hadn't won anything in 2 1/2 seasons they wouldn't have continued in the job. Instead if I remember correctly in Peps first season he won 6 trophies and Zidane won 2 CLs and la liga in 1 1/2 seasons so you can take a country mile multiply that by about 24 million and then make a comparison with Ole.

Exactly right. First of all, as I’ve said before, Pep and Zidane were not first team managers previously so they didn’t have a 10 year record of mediocrity prior to getting the job. They were unknown quantities, which OGS was not.

Secondly, they were successful early on, and this is what enabled them to stay in the job. Look at what happened to Lampard for example. For a lot of the big clubs in Europe, they don’t mess around. If someone’s not top quality from the off, or at least within 2 seasons, they get rid. Because 5 years without the title or CL quickly becomes 10, 20 or 30 years by the time you can say ‘it’s a project.’

Ole is obviously not going to get sacked this year, but if United don’t win anything this season and they’re looking like they’re not going to seriously challenge next year, then I think United have to think long and hard about whether they’ve got the right guy.

 

[RUCK4444]

Yeah sorry I meant on course to finish that far behind as he took over mid season. But the point still stands. Anyone who is pretending Ole walked into the Utd job with the same chance of success as Pep at Barca n Zidane at Madrid is an absolute joker. He clearly didn't. A lot of our fanbase seem to be stuck in 2012/13 and have forgotten just how far we have fallen. The big Spanish two never fell this far. Not even close.

Yeah this is a big misconception here in particular.

 

[Mainoldo]

Yeah sorry I meant on course to finish that far behind as he took over mid season. But the point still stands. Anyone who is pretending Ole walked into the Utd job with the same chance of success as Pep at Barca n Zidane at Madrid is an absolute joker. He clearly didn't. A lot of our fanbase seem to be stuck in 2012/13 and have forgotten just how far we have fallen. The big Spanish two never fell this far. Not even close.

I’m sorry was Barca the best club in the world? Did you forgot what Manchester was.

I’m sorry was Madrid the best team in the world? I’m sure they was struggling under Benetiz.

Zero sympathy for Ole he came from Molde. He’s lucky he even got the job.

 

[arthurka]

Someone needs to explain to me why we are giving him a raise?

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Someone needs to explain to me why we are giving him a raise?

For not winning any trophies.

 

[arthurka]

For not winning any trophies.

Ok then that makes sense.

 

[anant]

I’m sorry was Barca the best club in the world? Did you forgot what Manchester was.

I’m sorry was Madrid the best team in the world? I’m sure they was struggling under Benetiz.

Zero sympathy for Ole he came from Molde. He’s lucky he even got the job.

Barca reached CL semis in Rijkaard's last season. They had a future GOAT coming up, in that side to add to that. RM was nowhere close to what City and Pool are today.

RM had literally finished the previous season on 92 points, 2 behind the Barca and also reached previous season's CL semis, losing out narrowly to Juve. At the time Benitez was sacked, RM were 3rd, 4 behind the leaders Atletico.

But yeah, very comparable situations

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Ok then that makes sense.

Coming up to 4 years now. Incredible.

 

[Mainoldo]

Barca reached CL semis in Rijkaard's last season. They had a future GOAT coming up, in that side to add to that. RM was nowhere close to what City and Pool are today.

RM had literally finished the previous season on 92 points, 2 behind the Barca and also reached previous season's CL semis, losing out narrowly to Juve. At the time Benitez was sacked, RM were 3rd, 4 behind the leaders Atletico.

But yeah, very comparable situations

Sounds like second place achievements in a two horse race league. So basically the clubs were failing to their standards and these managers came in and broke records.

Remind me what Ole has done again? If Ole took over those clubs he would have been sacked in 6 months.

 

[NasirTimothy]

Yeah sorry I meant on course to finish that far behind as he took over mid season. But the point still stands. Anyone who is pretending Ole walked into the Utd job with the same chance of success as Pep at Barca n Zidane at Madrid is an absolute joker. He clearly didn't. A lot of our fanbase seem to be stuck in 2012/13 and have forgotten just how far we have fallen. The big Spanish two never fell this far. Not even close.

Why did he not have the same chance of success? At Barca and Madrid, only the title and the champions league are good enough. If you don’t deliver those pretty quickly, you get sacked. Do you think that’s somehow easier than what Ole has to contend with at the moment? Did Tata Martino and Rafa Benitez have a better chance of success than Ole?

 

[Godfather]

This club can't be helped anymore anyway

 

[anant]

Sounds like second place achievements in a two horse race league. So basically the clubs were failing to their standards and these managers came in and broke records.

Remind me what Ole has done again? If Ole took over those clubs he would have been sacked in 6 months.

Maybe you missed the text about CL? And when ZZ took over, Atleti were very much a force in La Liga

 

[Mainoldo]

Maybe you missed the text about CL? And when ZZ took over, Atleti were very much a force in La Liga

Okay. But at the end of the day what relevance does it have to Ole not competing for a Prem title. When Mourinho was doing rubbish and there was rumours of Zidane coming in to replace him.. was we expecting Zidane to come in and make us nearly men?

Just go and re-assess what you want from these club. Like I said Real and Barca failed on what was expected from them. Getting to a Champions League semi final wasn’t good enough for them. Right now getting knocked out at the group stages is good enough for us. Maybe we just stay away from silly comparisons. We are a little man club.