Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

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Blanc was terrible manager that lasted there far too long than he should have been. If Tuchel or even Emery was in charge of that PSG team back then probably they would have won at least once the CL trophy by now.
 

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Can mods shut every thread about other managers, this is just mental, not being able to mention names of other managers without some special nutcases see it as some attack on Ole. Not to mention idiotic jump the gun posts in CL first part threads, we all know how that ended -.-
 

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Blanc was terrible manager that lasted there far too long than he should have been. If Tuchel or even Emery was in charge of that PSG team back then probably they would have won at least once the CL trophy by now.
Blanc wasn't a terrible manager at all and what do you mean by far too long? He was there for three seasons during which they played their best football since QSI bought them. And between 2013 and 2016, they were clearly inferior to at least Barcelona and Real Madrid, so it's a bit bold to claim that they would have won the CL at least once during those three years.
 

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You're bashing a manager that came 3rd and is on course to now come 2nd. All that with a team that's not a PL title winning one.

That's the difference. I'm having a go at players who are massively underperforming. Ole isn't underperforming. This is around where I thought we would be more or less.
Fair enough. Lets agree that we don't agree. About everything. :)
 

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Every manager need time. Whoever they are. With that said, if he fails to miss first spot in one team league questions need to be raised about how he works under pressure when being in charge for a team that is expected to win things.

He is good manager but this shows that he isn’t a top class manager yet. Maybe he will turn it around or Maybe he was reaching his full potential with Tottenham. Time will tell.
 

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Would depend honestly. If he beats Bayern in CL or wins the league, quite certain teams like Juve and maybe even us will maintain an interest in him. However, if things go wrong, he'll have to start over again from a club of Spurs' size
Well if he wins something of note, then it’s unlikely he will be fired next season innit ;-)
 

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Well if he wins something of note, then it’s unlikely he will be fired next season innit ;-)
I was talking about this season. If he wants to be on the PSG bench next season, he needs to win the league or atleast beat Bayern in CL.

For next season, I think his goal would be the same as the PSG owners give to any of their managers - CL win. They get 2 chances to take it, and it would be his 2nd attempt next season
 

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Personally I'm enjoying that he's having it bad in the league cause all the crap we needed to read about him after Barcelona tie.
 

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I was talking about this season. If he wants to be on the PSG bench next season, he needs to win the league or atleast beat Bayern in CL.

For next season, I think his goal would be the same as the PSG owners give to any of their managers - CL win. They get 2 chances to take it, and it would be his 2nd attempt next season
I actually dont think so
 

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Blanc was terrible manager that lasted there far too long than he should have been. If Tuchel or even Emery was in charge of that PSG team back then probably they would have won at least once the CL trophy by now.
Didnt Emery fail to win the league?
 

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Imagine not winning the league with PSG :lol:
It's a situation where you want to keep the squad fresh and hungry. When you're a team that gets so used to dominating their league, it's very easy to slip into monotony and have other teams catch you once in a while. It's really not that shocking, even if it's rare; it's just human nature.
 

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I was talking about this season. If he wants to be on the PSG bench next season, he needs to win the league or atleast beat Bayern in CL.

For next season, I think his goal would be the same as the PSG owners give to any of their managers - CL win. They get 2 chances to take it, and it would be his 2nd attempt next season
You're nuts if you think they'll sack him this season. Poch will be PSG manager next season even if he fails to win Ligue one and goes out to Bayern. What this season will determine is how patient they are with him next season. But to suggest they'd sack him after less than 6 months is mad.
 

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It's a situation where you want to keep the squad fresh and hungry. When you're a team that gets so used to dominating their league, it's very easy to slip into monotony and have other teams catch you once in a while. It's really not that shocking, even if it's rare; it's just human nature.
They've only won 3 in a row! Bayern and Juventus have won about 200 in a row.
 

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You're nuts if you think they'll sack him this season. Poch will be PSG manager next season even if he fails to win Ligue one and goes out to Bayern. What this season will determine is how patient they are with him next season. But to suggest they'd sack him after less than 6 months is mad.
I agree, I would like to see him get a couple of his transfer targets as well. I feel most managers need an end of season xfer window to bring in some players and freshen up the dressing room.
 

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The opposition(Monaco and Lille) has been significantly more consistent and better this season, so no it's not damning. PSG also lost a lot of points before his appointment.
They were top of the league when he arrived right? Ahh i miss Montpellier :(
 

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I actually dont think so
Even if he stays, PSG will be "itchy" and might pull the trigger at the slightest opportunity next season. He came in when they were 2 points behind top. Since Poch has come in, they've hardly set the league alight, even though I acknowledge that it's impossible to make a mark on the team this early.

But surely, with the players they've got, winning the league should be a minimum expectation.
 

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Lyon knocked City out of the UCL last season. There are other good players in France and PSG have allowed the gap to close by signing players like Herrera, Gueye, Kean, Pereira etc
They should still win the league, but the squad isn't so much better than the rest like it was 3/4 years ago any longer, and they were already struggling before the new manager arrived (who has only been there 3 months)

Massive overreaction from those who didn't rate Poch before clearly, likely in a years time some of these post will look pretty silly

Btw Barcelona are also subpar this season and it wasn't that long ago Roma beat them in the UCL 3-0, I think the other French sides in the title race stand a good chance of beating Barca this season on their day
He inherited a squad that had won every domestic tournament the last two seasons and played a CL final 4 months before he took over. There is no shame in admitting that PSG has been underwhelming in the league since he came in, because that have been. Marseille and Rennes both finished dead last in their CL groups, Nice got 1 point while Lille finished 2 and got knocked out in the round of 32 in the EL. No need to talk up the French league, PSG should walk it every year with that squad. Not winning every domestic comp in France with that squad should be considered a failure, and rightfully so.

Not saying he won’t, just saying that so far it’s hard to see how he has improved PSG
 
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He inherited a squad that had won every domestic tournament the last two seasons and played a CL final 4 months before he took over.
Lopetegui inherited a squad at RM that had won a league title two seasons ago and three consecutive CL trophies. He did badly. Then they hired another guy, he did badly too. Then they brought in the manager who'd won all those titles in the first place, and he also did badly.

PSG were doing poorly before Pochettino was hired and they are still doing badly. He's not doing a great job or anything, but obviously the situation is more complicated than Poch=Crap.
 

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I’d still take him if we ever give Ole the chop, some managers are better suited to some leagues than others. He will do fine with us, but that means giving him time of course
 

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Lopetegui inherited a squad at RM that had won a league title two seasons ago and three consecutive CL trophies. He did badly. Then they hired another guy, he did badly too. Then they brought in the manager who'd won all those titles in the first place, and he also did badly.

PSG were doing poorly before Pochettino was hired and they are still doing badly. He's not doing a great job or anything, but obviously the situation is more complicated than Poch=Crap.
I don’t know how mentioning other managers that did not hit the ground running and got fired justifies Poch‘s mediocre impact on PSG, but thanks.
I’m just saying that Poch maybe ain’t the Messiah of managing and coaching that some in here thinks. I still think he’ll win the league this season, but he’s been a bit underwhelming so far. I expected him to struggle less.
 

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I don’t know how mentioning other managers that did not hit the ground running and got fired justifies Poch‘s mediocre impact on PSG, but thanks.
I’m just saying that Poch maybe ain’t the Messiah of managing and coaching that some in here thinks. I still think he’ll win the league this season, but he’s been a bit underwhelming so far. I expected him to struggle less.
Is that even a point to make? Outside of a few special cases no one believes that any manager is a messiah.
 

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Even if he stays, PSG will be "itchy" and might pull the trigger at the slightest opportunity next season. He came in when they were 2 points behind top. Since Poch has come in, they've hardly set the league alight, even though I acknowledge that it's impossible to make a mark on the team this early.

But surely, with the players they've got, winning the league should be a minimum expectation.
So he came in when they were not top, what does that tell you about the team and opposition.
 

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He inherited a squad that had won every domestic tournament the last two seasons and played a CL final 4 months before he took over. There is no shame in admitting that PSG has been underwhelming in the league since he came in, because that have been. Marseille and Rennes both finished dead last in their CL groups, Nice got 1 point while Lille finished 2 and got knocked out in the round of 32 in the EL. No need to talk up the French league, PSG should walk it every year with that squad. Not winning every domestic comp in France with that squad should be considered a failure, and rightfully so.

Not saying he won’t, just saying that so far it’s hard to see how he has improved PSG
Key point being they were before he came in this season and he has been there 3 months
 

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Which is why they were not top when he arrived
Poch was being touted as a top 3-5 manager in the world, I think people would be lying if they now said they didn’t expect more from him at PSG than this
 

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Poch was being touted as a top 3-5 manager in the world, I think people would be lying if they now said they didn’t expect more from him at PSG than this
After just 3 months? With a bang average squad once you remove 2/3 players? 2 of which have been missing through injury?

Yes most people who have no clue about the league
 

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Poch was being touted as a top 3-5 manager in the world, I think people would be lying if they now said they didn’t expect more from him at PSG than this
He has something like 70% win rate in the league. He is doing exactly what you would and should expect, the issue is that the opposition isn't losing.
 

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So he came in when they were not top, what does that tell you about the team and opposition.
That they weren't doing well, and aren't doing any better now?

Come on, they have 2 ppg since he came in. For a team that is as expensively built as PSG and in a league no one else even comes close to the quality they have, that surely isn't looking good. I like Poch, have always liked him, but there'll be massive doubts about him if he doesn't win the league this season and gets the boot. He could have ended up here, Juve, RM, Bayern -literally any top club. But do you really think that he'd be top of their shortlist if this happens? Surely that point isn't even remotely controversial
 

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That they weren't doing well, and aren't doing any better now?

Come on, they have 2 ppg since he came in. For a team that is as expensively built as PSG and in a league no one else even comes close to the quality they have, that surely isn't looking good. I like Poch, have always liked him, but there'll be massive doubts about him if he doesn't win the league this season and gets the boot. He could have ended up here, Juve, RM, Bayern -literally any top club. But do you really think that he'd be top of their shortlist if this happens? Surely that point isn't even remotely controversial
Talking nonsense
 

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Talking nonsense
Last season aside, when was the last team a French side not named PSG even reached the QFs of CL? There as obviously Monaco in 2017, but before that? Hell, even in EL, apart from Marseille and Lyon, which french sides have reached the semis of that competition in last 10-12 years?

I genuinely am unsure how is this even a debate! PSG, might be an unbalanced side, might have enough weaknesses, but are much stronger compared to other Ligue 1 sides
 

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Last season aside, when was the last team a French side not named PSG even reached the QFs of CL? There as obviously Monaco in 2017, but before that? Hell, even in EL, apart from Marseille and Lyon, which french sides have reached the semis of that competition in last 10-12 years?

I genuinely am unsure how is this even a debate! PSG, might be an unbalanced side, might have enough weaknesses, but are much stronger compared to other Ligue 1 sides
Lyon and Monaco are obviously closer in quality now. Not 3/4 years ago PSG are weaker now than then and those sides are now stronger.

In previous seasons those sides dropped alot of points. Thats not happening this season
 

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Spurs are a bigger club that PSG. Don't confused big club and money rich club.
Spurs bigger club than PSG? Don’t get it twisted please. Even before PSG was bankrolled by the Qataris, they have always been bigger than Spurs. How many times have Spurs featured in the champions league compared to PSG? Spurs is not bigger than PSG, sugar daddy or no sugar daddy.
 

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Last season aside, when was the last team a French side not named PSG even reached the QFs of CL? There as obviously Monaco in 2017, but before that? Hell, even in EL, apart from Marseille and Lyon, which french sides have reached the semis of that competition in last 10-12 years?

I genuinely am unsure how is this even a debate! PSG, might be an unbalanced side, might have enough weaknesses, but are much stronger compared to other Ligue 1 sides
The champions this year may not even reach 80 points. That points to mismanagement of PSG and a drop off rather than a rise in quality of the league.
 
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