Lingard to join West Ham on loan

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Possibly playing the best football of his career at the moment. I've been hugely impressed. He's got a bit of swagger to his game at the moment, and two things are now becoming clear:

  • He might be very useful for us next season. His movement was always the best and most consistent part of his game and its something we lack in the final third. The question is of course whether he is able to replicate this form in a United shirt again. I'm doubtful about that. Sometimes its just best for both parties to go another route, however he might be simply seeing this as a chance to impress the club and wants nothing more than to come back. Failing that......

  • If he does go, then he will surely have more suitors than simply West Ham. I was always telling my Spurs friends that they missed a trick letting Lingard and Odegaard go to other clubs. Lingard suddenly looks like a very attractive potential signings for a lot of PL clubs. England Int'l, fairly high profile and he currently looks like a bloody good player still in his peak years. This £20m number is commonly mentioned in the press and on here, but this is looking more and more like a standard United 'give a player away for peanuts for no reason' price. We are talking about a player that has raised a decent West Ham side to one that looks like they might even get CL football. He has 'Bruno'ed' that team. £20m suddenly looks like the bargain of the summer. We should be looking for close to double that IMO
 

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Possibly playing the best football of his career at the moment. I've been hugely impressed. He's got a bit of swagger to his game at the moment, and two things are now becoming clear:

  • He might be very useful for us next season. His movement was always the best and most consistent part of his game and its something we lack in the final third. The question is of course whether he is able to replicate this form in a United shirt again. I'm doubtful about that. Sometimes its just best for both parties to go another route, however he might be simply seeing this as a chance to impress the club and wants nothing more than to come back. Failing that......

  • If he does go, then he will surely have more suitors than simply West Ham. I was always telling my Spurs friends that they missed a trick letting Lingard and Odegaard go to other clubs. Lingard suddenly looks like a very attractive potential signings for a lot of PL clubs. England Int'l, fairly high profile and he currently looks like a bloody good player still in his peak years. This £20m number is commonly mentioned in the press and on here, but this is looking more and more like a standard United 'give a player away for peanuts for no reason' price. We are talking about a player that has raised a decent West Ham side to one that looks like they might even get CL football. He has 'Bruno'ed' that team. £20m suddenly looks like the bargain of the summer. We should be looking for close to double that IMO
Anyone who thinks we can get close to £40m for Jesse Lingard with a year left on his contract is certainly mistaken.
 

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He always had this talent and good positioning, but having an attacking space is a huge boost for any players. At United, against defending and pressing teams, it's another story. Happy for him
 

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So you need a run of 19 games to be considered in good form?
Not sure i said that, is he in good form currently sure. But i'd definitely need to see him replicate this form over a longer period to determine if this just isn't a purple patch like late 2017.

Lingard is playing better than Martial. This is a fact. It was true 6 weeks ago and it's true now. It humours me that you cant admit it.
Yeah that doesn't make sense mate. I said back then that 3 games weren't enough to say whether or not Lingard was having a better season than Martial. That's obvious he could have had 3 good games and then 5 awful ones.

Lingard's definitely been better than Martial over the last 8 games if that makes you feel any better, Martial's missed 4-5 of those through injury though.

It humours me that that conversation bothered you so much you quoted me again 2 months later. :lol: I'll have to remember that the next time Lingard goes through an inevitable dip in form. ;)
 

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We should let him go. He isn't a technician a d that seems to be what we need in the hole , we have pace on the wings and usually up top too. He would only be useful in games that we are allowed to play on the break in and we are already one of Europe's best counter attackers. We might get some money and the squad is so thin that we need this money
 

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Funny to see haters being proven wrong, the only people I have in my ignore list were the most active in JL threads, now they are nowhere to be seen here. That's what you get for shitting on one of your own at the worst period in his lifetime.

Sad that the same people are now chatting shit about Rashy, but as always, they won't have the final laugh.
 

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We should let him go. He isn't a technician a d that seems to be what we need in the hole , we have pace on the wings and usually up top too. He would only be useful in games that we are allowed to play on the break in and we are already one of Europe's best counter attackers. We might get some money and the squad is so thin that we need this money
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Funny to see haters being proven wrong, the only people I have in my ignore list were the most active in JL threads, now they are nowhere to be seen here. That's what you get for shitting on one of your own at the worst period in his lifetime.

Sad that the same people are now chatting shit about Rashy, but as always, they won't have the final laugh.
Well you wouldn't know either way because you have them on ignore :P
 

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Funny to see haters being proven wrong, the only people I have in my ignore list were the most active in JL threads, now they are nowhere to be seen here. That's what you get for shitting on one of your own at the worst period in his lifetime.

Sad that the same people are now chatting shit about Rashy, but as always, they won't have the final laugh.
Well you wouldn't see them if you have them on ignore. :confused:
 

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Lingard had 22 assists in his years here (208 appearances) . Bruno has 23 assists in just over a year (65 matches)

But by all means people keep basing things on recency bias. Lingard's career is defined by a couple of runs of form where he's looked class. Yet then people for some reason want to ignore what came before and between those patches.

His inconsistency is the reason why Bruno was a need. It's why the club also decided to buy VDB. Lingard couldn't be counted on.
 

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Both being under 20 years old explaining a lack of first team matches, while Lingard is 28

Martial had a season in the Monaco first team with 27 starts in the league alone before we bought him :confused:
Martial a bad example then, didnt realise he had that many games for Monaco. Diallo however only played 4 games for Atlanta before we paid €25m or €40 depending on what you read for him proving that astronomical fees after a handful of games do happen. I'm sure there are examples from other clubs, that's just at Man Utd.

And no, I'm not comparing Lingard to Diallo.....in case anyone struggles with context.
 

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Whether Lingard comes back to us next season as a squad player, or moves on permanently - presumably to West Ham - depends a lot on what type of loan he and Ole saw it as.

If it was a 'I'm / you're currently not getting games and it's affecting form and confidence - go out and get games on loan, improve both, and come back in a better place with a better chance of playing for United' then it's worked and there's still every chance and reason for Ole to consider him next year given what he's producing at West Ham.

If it was a 'you're completely out of the picture and we're moving forward with other players - a permanent move didn't materialise but go out and play well on loan and show clubs what you can do for the summer window' loan, then it's also worked and there's still every reason for both Ole and Jesse to be looking ahead at a summer exit and for a higher fee now that his stock is higher.

The success of the loan shouldn't have changed the thinking - it just depends what the original purpose of the loan was in the long term: to find form for a United return, or to put Lingard in the shop window for a summer exit? Whichever it was should still be the plan now.
 

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Interesting to see the number of people still claiming he’s not good enough to be playing for United. Like we have a host of players performing better than he did last night... He’s clearly a confidence player and just needed a manager to believe in him and consistent game time. Maybe moving to London has relieved some personal pressures too! Good on him I say!
The thing is Wolves showed no respect to West Ham. There is no way they play like that against us. Lingard is a classic counter attacking player who thrives when given space to run into. That makes it a bit pointless comparing his WH performances to our players especially as we've seen how useless he is against parked buses over the years. 90 % of our games are against double deckers.

He's good enough to be a squad player for United but let's be real, it's time to move him on. Raise 25m+ and use it to improve our starting XI.
 

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It fits perfectly. You just have to not be so defensive of the club that you refuse the see the problems. But I’m done. Said my bit. We can agree to disagree. Not like any of this shit is worth getting upset over.
You showed your whole ass with the claim that Smalling had improved. It's clear that reality isn't of much interest to you, because it doesn't fit your agenda.
 

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Well you wouldn't know either way because you have them on ignore :P

Well you wouldn't see them if you have them on ignore. :confused:

Ahh, so that's what ignore means. Explains a lot.

On a more serious note, you can still see posts by people in your ignore list, just the text is hidden by default, you have to click extra button to see the text. At least it was like that before? Still remember seeing RedCafe asking me if I want to see Amadeaus insights while he was having a stroke, even after ignoring him. Very underrated functionality either way, improved browsing a lot - 10/10.
 

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Who would have thought a player with low skill requires a team that plays entirely on counter attacks and needs space. People never learn.
You talking about West ham United or man United here?
 

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Anyone who thinks we can get close to £40m for Jesse Lingard with a year left on his contract is certainly mistaken.
Well, Eden hazard went to RM for £100M, one year left but pre-Covid. But surely we can get closer to £30-40M for young Jesse?
 

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Not sure i said that, is he in good form currently sure. But i'd definitely need to see him replicate this form over a longer period to determine if this just isn't a purple patch like late 2017.



Yeah that doesn't make sense mate. I said back then that 3 games weren't enough to say whether or not Lingard was having a better season than Martial. That's obvious he could have had 3 good games and then 5 awful ones.

Lingard's definitely been better than Martial over the last 8 games if that makes you feel any better, Martial's missed 4-5 of those through injury though.

It humours me that that conversation bothered you so much you quoted me again 2 months later. :lol: I'll have to remember that the next time Lingard goes through an inevitable dip in form. ;)
The difference between the two players since the beginning of February could not be greater. Its night and day, black and white. Suggesting thay Lingard has been better than Martial over the last 8 games may be partly due to Martial missing most of those games is bonkers. We could always factor in Martials last 8 games? or 16 even. Apart from the game v City he has been shit in every one of them.

On the other hand, over the last couple of months Lingard has arguably been the best player in the league, certainly top 4 or 5.

How their careers go after this is anyones guess so no problem if you want to come back and quote me when Lingards run ends, I'm sure it will and I've never said it would continue. I made my point often enough in here without having to repeat it again.
 

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With his performances lately, we should be able to fetch a fee between the £25-30m mark. It's a no brainer if you're West Ham and a tidy sum for us for a squad player on the last year of his contract.
 

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I am glad that he is doing well, he has frustrated me often in the past and I have been mostly negative towards him as a result but he’s one of our own so I am happy for him.
But i also have massive doubts over his ability to continue this form for us next season so I would let him go. No harm in inserting a buy back clause, just in case he is still playing this well in 12 months time.
 

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Anyone who thinks we can get close to £40m for Jesse Lingard with a year left on his contract is certainly mistaken.
You're probably right, and a lot depends on whether Lingard actually wants to stay with us. I do feel as though £20m is not far off giving him away with this current form though.
 

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If we get £25 million (or use him as a makeweight to get Rice for £50 million or so) then that’s excellent business. I’m worried he’s actually playing well enough that we are going to extend his contract which I feel would be a mistake. He won’t be a starter for us and he won’t get the space he’s been getting for WH when he does play, so I’m pretty sure that will end in tears. That said, I hold my hands up that I underestimated what he could bring to WH - I thought he’d be a bit part player for them based on what he’d shown for us - but he’s done superbly.
 

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No. What I’m suggesting is that coaching here is so bad it turns players to shit. And no amount of fancy words are going to change what our eyes are seeing. We can’t pass every well for example. And it’s been that way for awhile.
Right, so Lindgaard having one of his purple patches at a new club is definitive proof that our coaching sucks. Sure

Answer me this though
1) If our coaching is so terrible, how in the flying feck have we managed to find ourselves in 2nd place
2) If we are just fecking around in Carrington, dont you think someone, would have spoken up about it? Or have everyone at the club signed non-disclosure agreements where they cant tell the press? Maybe Ole is a wizard and have put some kind of spell on them?
 

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The difference between the two players since the beginning of February could not be greater. Its night and day, black and white. Suggesting thay Lingard has been better than Martial over the last 8 games may be partly due to Martial missing most of those games is bonkers. We could always factor in Martials last 8 games? or 16 even. Apart from the game v City he has been shit in every one of them.
:lol:

Ffs mate that was a joke lighten up.

On the other hand, over the last couple of months Lingard has arguably been the best player in the league, certainly top 4 or 5.
Arguably yes, would you also rate Iheanacho as one of the top 4-5 players in the league based on the last few months?

How their careers go after this is anyones guess so no problem if you want to come back and quote me when Lingards run ends, I'm sure it will and I've never said it would continue. I made my point often enough in here without having to repeat it again.
I doubt I'll remember about it mate to be honest.
 

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Nope - I meant in the League. And I stand by that. Over the last 5-6 games, there has not been many better players than him - if any. 6 goals and 2 assists for West Ham - in 8 games, that's about as good as it gets. Especially if you take into consideration he was also involved in at least 2 more goals
I was taking the piss.
 

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I've hated on lingard for way too long but happy to see him play some of best football of his career right now.

Still don't see how he fits in the team but if he gets a great price then everyone can be happy
 

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His antics on social media seem to rub people the wrong way but he seems universally liked by all his team mates, former and present, similar to Pogba.
Never really understood why people get bothered by that kind of stuff.
 

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Not trying to spin anything. You can take a look at the match day threads here or anywhere and see what the general thinking is. Or you can watch the games and see the performances. I mean, its kinda weird that so many players over the years have left us and instantly improved, shit league or not. We have a guy that got sacked because he couldnt cut it in the championship. We have a guy that was retired. We have two young assistants still finding their feet. And we have a a group of coaches that were brought in by various managers that had a very different way of coaching from each other.

If getting rid of the players hasnt worked. If getting rid of the managers hasnt worked. What else is left if not the coaching staff? Because we cant pass the ball worth a feck most of the time. When we play out from the back, we cant handle a press and often lose the ball. The tactics are trash, the set plays are worthless and when we come up against a solid defence we rely on moments of individual brilliance.

Lingard has left this club as a bit of a joke. Only now hes under Moyes of all people, and hes the one laughing. Its not one game, or some games. Hes actually playing good stuff and managed to play himself back into the national team. But its not our coaching that wasnt getting the best out of him, it was "insert random excuse here"? Not for me, sorry. Ive been bored watching us for far too long to just put it down to a bit of bad form. Theres something wrong in how we are coached. And Lingard is yet another example of that. And you that isnt so each to dismiss as he isnt doing it in "shitter league".
You strike me as the typical match day poster, grass is always greener. Not surprised.
 

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First game of next season- Lingard brace for West Ham and everyone starts going surely he can’t keep this up for much longer. I’d love it if he could. He’s found his level where he can get regular games and I would sell while his stock is high. I’d have cleared out the half of the squad that doesn’t really play in Oles first summer but the loans have worked out quite well for Dalot and Jesse. Not so much for Pereira who I assume is worth a bit less now. I can see there being a bit more interest in our fringe players on the back of lingards recent heroics.
 

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I think it would be bonkers to keep him. If we can get £20-25m for him from West Ham then I think all 3 parties win. Would be pointless bringing him back to sit on the bench behind Bruno.
 

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It's not just West Ham that will be interested, the many parties that may be in for Lingard will be a good boost to driving up the price over the 30m mark.
 

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Ole had three choices, Keep Lingard at the club, let him go for a ridiculously low fee or loan him out.
He chose to loan him out and it has proved a brilliant decision, hence me calling it a master stroke, because it is.
From the perspective of Ole loaning him out to West Ham simply cannot be called brilliant. This argument has two limbs, first, that the decision was not Ole's at all, and secondly that the brilliant outcome is actually negative from Man Utd's perspective.


To begin with, the fact is that it was Jesse's choice to go on loan, not Ole's. Letting him go was merely a logical concession.

Secondly, that it has turned out brilliantly for Jesse and West Ham means that a non rival has been turned into a direct rival albeit a distant one.

So here we are with a man Utd fan claiming that a decision by the man Utd manager to strengthen a close competitor and turn them into direct rivals was a brilliant decision. Really?

To illustrate, just this weekend, all other top four contenders dropped points. West Ham too would have if not for Jesse. Had they lost points, top 4 would have all but mathematically been certified.
 

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From the perspective of Ole loaning him out to West Ham simply cannot be called brilliant. This argument has two limbs, first, that the decision was not Ole's at all, and secondly that the brilliant outcome is actually negative from Man Utd's perspective.


To begin with, the fact is that it was Jesse's choice to go on loan, not Ole's. Letting him go was merely a logical concession.

Secondly, that it has turned out brilliantly for Jesse and West Ham means that a non rival has been turned into a direct rival albeit a distant one.

So here we are with a man Utd fan claiming that a decision by the man Utd manager to strengthen a close competitor and turn them into direct rivals was a brilliant decision. Really?

To illustrate, just this weekend, all other top four contenders dropped points. West Ham too would have if not for Jesse. Had they lost points, top 4 would have all but mathematically been certified.
We are currently 8 points above West Ham who next weekend have to play direct rivals Leicester City as well as have a game against direct rivals Chelsea and Everton still to play. It's a whole lot more difficult schedule for them compared to the games they've played since he's arrived that Jesse's been involved in.

We are 9 points above 5th place with Chelsea still having to play Leicester, City, West Ham.

West Ham is not a long-term rival and them picking up points against other teams doesn't affect us greatly this season. No one is expecting them to replicate this season over the course of another season.

United, of course, had a choice to keep Lingard on and give him games to prove himself but obviously, this would have been sparingly and with an upcoming Euro and his contract expiring this wouldn't have benefited the club nor the player.

We have to do the best for our players, especially players like Jesse who's come through the academy and been a loyal servant for many years, and giving him the chance to play games was the only right thing to do. That he's done well is only a positive for us in the sense that we'll likely make more money of his sale now than we'd if he had been sold in January.

No one would've expected him to have an impact to this extent so you can't really say it's a "genius" move. But it's worked out in a very favourable fashion for us.