European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?


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Devil81

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This is not Manchester United, same thing I tell myself about City. This is some cnuts who have wormed their way in and infected Manchester United. Manchester United is more than these cnuts murdering football as is Liverpool, Manchester City, Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal. Some good would come from this if all these boards and owners are forced to feck off and the clubs return to normal. I'd rather see my club back in League 1 than see the cnuts behind this stay in power.
Not sure if you are a City for or not but the route of evil in all this is the money suckers who have taken our clubs and disrespected our history.

As a City fan you've had more success over the last ten years than any time in your history and that's paved the way for you to become one of the filthy twelve. Interesting to hear if the real City fans would be willing to give all that back to get their self respect back?
 

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Then you'll complain that we aren't winning anything and we're mid-table fodder for 12 years.

Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.
I won't be complaining about anything, because if this does go ahead and we join it I won't be watching or supporting.
 

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This is turning into one big sh*t show. It's really hard to see where the different sides end up going from here. Though I highly doubt we are going to see some of the threats being thrown about actually materialise, and I'm sure both sides will eventually come to some form of understanding.
 

The holy trinity 68

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Just because you don’t give a shit about what happens to the football league or the clubs operating within it, doesn’t mean others are the same.
No one bothered to kick up much of a fuss when the Qatar World Cup was announced which was clearly a money deal. Where was this major concern when the likes of Blatter and Platini were accepting bribes.

Where was this major fuss when the TV money sky rocketed for the club's at the top end, or when the likes of United, PSG, City, Real Madrid etc have been spending hundreds of millions for years, while smaller clubs are suffering.

I don't see this major concern when Messi or Ronaldo or Neymar etc are on half a million quid a week while small local clubs are struggling financially.
 

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I started thinking, can this affect a players contract? Is he obliged to just accept to drop the national team, CL, EL and domestic league for this SuperCrapLeague?? Or can this lead to a court decision to void contracts?
Are they legally obligated to play out their contracts anyway? Normally, you do have the right to quit your job if you want to. I think it's UEFA/FIFA regulations that prevent players from doing that (as long as they want to play for someone else), not actual contract law.
 

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I think we are all forgetting the real victims in this: The programmers over at Sports Interactive who will need to somehow untangle this for Football Manager 22.
Insert raging obese office worker throwing CRT monitor into next cubicle . GIF
 

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With half of the 12 clubs at the moment being from England, just imagine a couple of issues.
1. One English club is scheduled to play the same English club during midweek in the ESL and on Saturday in the PL. Which are you going to be more likely to watch.
2. An English club is scheduled to play away during midweek against a ESL club, not Barcelona for example. But it is pushing to win the PL and playing one of their rivals on the Saturday. So it sends out a much weakened ESL side in midweek.
Because of the fixed status of the ESL, it is not going to take long for it to become as relevant as the Europa League.
From what I understand, it is a flawed concept.
 

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Only thing that will stop it is players.
Yeah, i mean surely the players have all the power here, right. Obviously, without them, you haven't got your shitty little league. I get it, there's going to be more money. Players like money. But if the threat of expulsion from the World Cup and the Euros is real, then surely that takes precedence.
 

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Uefa were bullied into expanding the CL mainly by the g14 and English clubs. Lets not forget that, that idea was pushed through by some of the same shitty clubs behind this ESL. They wanted to play top European level without earning it and cover their own asses.
The CL got expanded to accommodate them and their greed, or should Uefa have kept it the same size allowed 4 teams from England and denied the Dutch/Russian leagues their chances.
They thought if there was more spots for them they'd never miss out, but they still conspired to feck things up. Then it was again those clubs who demanded a bigger reformed CL (that they could never miss out on as past winners etc...)
Uefa were again gonna crumble and have CL reform where it again expanded and clubs like United could never miss out because of a ranking bonus based on history. You think shit like that was a Uefa idea?
Uefa are rubbish but make no mistake all changes to the CL were g14 powered bullying.
And it still wasn't enough for them when the World Series of Mega SoccerBall came on the horizon.
I award you the best insight of the day for this brilliant summation (my award doesn't come with money though ).

Now we turn around and blame UEFA when the instigators have been the same from the beginning of time. Hence, why City and PSG (perhaps Monaco) gatecrashing at the table of European Oligarchy seems abhorrent to them.

Can we all step back and consider this mad race towards destruction?
 

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He needs to focus his criticism on the owners/executives, rather than the clubs themselves.
The owners are almost all powerful billionaires with powerful billionaire friends. Truth be told, If I was a businessman like Ceferin essentially I would be very careful about what I say because people should realize that we are talking about the serious big boys here not our usual "villains" like Woodward or Tebas.
 

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If that was true, NBA wouldn't be such a big deal every year, since there are no promotions/demotions system. They are choosing clubs for worldwide fan count, and Arsenal has millions more than Sevilla.
Besides, the asian and american markets reacted very well to this news. For them, loosing a few european viewers won't make that much of an impact when compared to the number of new viewers they will get. TV contracts will rain down hard, a matter of time.
The passion is on our side, the fans side. But those who manage clubs are businessman and will do what they have to do to make more money. This is something the big clubs were trying to do since the late 80s, we know the day would come. Maybe it will be not this year, but I think it will happen sooner or later.
This still mystifies me. Every single friend of mine who actually pays extra to watch footy (Peacock+ for PL, Paramount+ for CL/EL, ESPN+ for Bund.) is 100% against this. I will not pay for whatever streaming service they sell their souls to and no one I know will either. There is just not going to be the demand here to pay even more for a weekday league, especially since the most fervant fans, the ones who would potentially pay, are dead set against this.

The only possibilities are that they have completely misread the room and their market in the States, they don't care about the US Market, or, as someone commented earlier, the end goal here is a weekend league. I don't think any of those options ends well for them.
 

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The fact that UEFA , FIFA, Premier league, FA and all these other football institutes are trying to take the morale high ground is nauseating,

Trying to use the greater good of football as a way to show why this is terrible whereby in reality they are just shit scared at the prospect of money being taken out of there fat pockets and but into someone else’s,

I am 100% against this btw and think it’s a travesty but it’s a bloody joke that these proven corrupt corporations are pretending like they haven’t been doing the same things for years, footballs principles and foundations died a long time ago and as usual the fans will pay the price for this greed.
I agree with this so much, the fecking hypocrisy is everywhere and is sickening. People are fools if they can't see through FIFA, UEFA etc.
 

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With half of the 12 clubs at the moment being from England, just imagine a couple of issues.
1. One English club is scheduled to play the same English club during midweek in the ESL and on Saturday in the PL. Which are you going to be more likely to watch.
2. An English club is scheduled to play away during midweek against a ESL club, not Barcelona for example. But it is pushing to win the PL and playing one of their rivals on the Saturday. So it sends out a much weakened ESL side in midweek.
Because of the fixed status of the ESL, it is not going to take long for it to become as relevant as the Europa League.
From what I understand, it is a flawed concept.
Already covered this today morning.

Let's say on a Wed evening Man Utd have a game against Barca and the winner of that will get top 4 of this superleage and get $ prize money, whatever amount is on offer which I imagine is high.

What do you think Man Utd will do if they have a premier league game a few days before, which is now worth a lot less because there will be no champions league places on the line. Will they a) go full strength for the integrity of the game or b) play a second string and place more emphasis on the midweek game.

Additionally plus we play a weakened team in the EPL to benefit us in a crunch came in the superleague, then what does that mean for clubs still in the EPL who are going for champions league places? Is it fair, is it ethical? From a sporting sense is it awful
 

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These ESL clubs owners are putting themselves above UEFA. So unless Uefa goes after them with everything now there’ll be festering problems for years with players not showing up for Intl friendlies, etc. That’s an issue already but will become moreso if the ESL goes forward.
 

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In American teen shows/ movies they always had a recurring generic storyline of the popular jock asking out a perceived geeky and unattractive girl on a date, only to humiliate her when she shows up. Are Spurs not at all concerned this Is just a cruel ploy akin to that trope?.
 

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By all indicators this has been a terrible rollout from a PR perspective. Has any player, ex-player, politician, official, fan, or fan group come out in support of this?
 

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The comparison with Nba is hardly the same. Big market teams has generally most chance to be successful but not everytime. If managed properly, every NBA team has a chance to be champions. Just like Ceferin put, clubs like Arsenal, United, Milan etc. wants this simply because they had to be properly managed to be successful and their money machine keep working. Yet, clubs like Sevilla, Atalanta etc has done everything right and still get punished. That's why I said who determines which club can attend.

I don't know the reaction of Asians and Americans. Sooner than later, this project is prone to fail. Especially with this many backlash.
Basic point here. This is a league for Big clubs, not a league for good clubs. It doesn't make any difference how bad Arsenal have been lately, because they are the 8th most valuable club in the world. And it doesn't make any difference how good Atalanta has been lately, because they're not on that list at all. Merit has nothing to with it, marketability has everything to do with it. That is the whole point of this initiative.

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Maybe they also care about their fans and the reaction they would get.
Perhaps it's some long PR stance due to fan ownership and if this split fully happens they can join the ESL because "they have to". This Super League talk has been coming from Bayern and Germany for 20 years and they need others to break rank, like what is happening. The Juve head snake is probably been replaced by another from Bayern, this ESL is well crafted.

When they invest in PSG, I'm sure they know the ESL is down the line, it's a Ferrari driving around with Fiat Unos, ESL legitimatizes PSG and City and any other future billionaire lottery wins.
 

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Not sure if you are a City for or not but the route of evil in all this is the money suckers who have taken our clubs and disrespected our history.

As a City fan you've had more success over the last ten years than any time in your history and that's paved the way for you to become one of the filthy twelve. Interesting to hear if the real City fans would be willing to give all that back to get their self respect back?
Yes, I've said this before but the reason I defended our club over ffp and thought ffp was a sham was because it was an attempt to stop us from getting lucky (which is what we did), so to see us try and do the same and prevent others clubs having the luck/success we have disgusts me. I'd give back every trophy since 09 in a heartbeat to have nothing to do with this. If my club don't come out soon and say "we fecked up" and walk away from this regardless of the punishments, I will walk away until the entire board and owners are removed.
 

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Even if this results in a reorganised CL, its fecking scandalous that clubs who can't finish in the top 4 of their own league should be in the CL anyway. If any such arrangement has this in place they should be told to feck off. I for one love seeing some of the top clubs at the non big nations do well in Europe and hopefully we can get more clubs like Leicester in Europe as well.
 

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The remaining 8 clubs that were thinking of accepting the spots will all be working on statements now on how they were always going to reject the proposal.
 

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Ed being a cnut

Again, we know Uefa are no angels but Ed is demonstrating the exact qualities which make you a great Investment Bankster - ruthlessness and lack of morals.

If anyone wants to dive into how these people think, watch Succession.
 
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They didn't die to play in Europe, they died because the football league made them rush back from Europe or they'd face an automatic loss because the FL were insecure about English teams playing in another competition.

I wish people wouldn't use their memory in a way that misrepresents what really happened.
 
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Because of the fixed status of the ESL, it is not going to take long for it to become as relevant as the Europa League.
Yup.

There's no threat of relegation and half the league qualify for the playoffs anyway after the tediously long and pointless group stage. There's not even any big variation in prize money for advancing further in the 'competition' compared to just competing.

Teams will treat it like the NBA regular season is treated. Half-hearted effort, star players resting, low intensity games.
 

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Are they legally obligated to play out their contracts anyway? Normally, you do have the right to quit your job if you want to. I think it's UEFA/FIFA regulations that prevent players from doing that (as long as they want to play for someone else), not actual contract law.
I think there will be some big contract sweeteners offered to some players if there are sanctions