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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
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Time proved them right
There was also no movement what so ever from McFred who were never available for a through pass.
You could put any defender in a zonal marking team and he is going to get beat for that sort of headers. It is absolutely crazy to do so.
He was ok today, not as good as he's been recently but he was solid for the most part.
I excused him for the goal but he is supposed to be captain and should take more responsibility and be aware of the dangers
Had Maguire scored the same goal by 'bullying' Tarkowski, VAR would have pulled it back.
Should've signed Tarkowski for half the price
He’s under instruction from the coaches and manager.Ole and co decide who marks who, AWB was the weak link as he didn’t make it difficult for his man. The Captain doesn’t dictate tactics, he was coached/ instructed to be in his zone and he was there. Very difficult to out jump a player of similar stature who has a run on you..
The goal was more on AWB (who was man marking Tarkowski) than Maguire (who appeared to be defending zonally on the 6 yard line).
Perhaps Maguire could have done a bit more, but he was barely given a chance.
The real issue was that no central defender could stop an onrushing attacking who was carrying as much pace and height as Tarkowski. The key to that bit of play was for AWB to slow down Tarkowski's run so that the deeper man could have a chance in a 1v1 duel. That's the way they would have worked it in training. When a speeding body hits an equally massive static body, the static body is always going to lose.
Perhaps Maguire could have done a bit more, but he was barely given a chance.
The real issue was that no central defender could stop an onrushing attacking who was carrying as much pace and height as Tarkowski. The key to that bit of play was for AWB to slow down Tarkowski's run so that the deeper man could have a chance in a 1v1 duel. That's the way they would have worked it in training. When a speeding body hits an equally massive static body, the static body is always going to lose.
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What does being captain have to do with anything? Maguire wins 70% of his aerial duels and is one of the highest in the league in that stat. So even at that rate, he's going to lose 3/10. If they are in the 6 yard box, there's a good chance it will result in a goal. I love that Henderson is more than willing to come off his line. Today he showed his immaturity and came off the line when he shouldn't, and stayed on the line when he should. This goal was a perfect example of a ball that Henderson should have claimed. An inswinger 4 yards from his goal. That's the keepers territory...
This is why Henderson should have been out for that one. It's an inswinger that is headed 3-4 yards from goal. That's the keepers area...
Maguire is the best header we have . Wan Bisakka cannot be blamed for losing these challenges as it's ridiculous he is having to make them while Maguire stands like a statue marking thin air.
A real Captain would be making this clear so just saying he is playing to instructions did not excuse him either.
It's up to the players to make it clear that this is costing us time and time again.
A real Captain would be making this clear so just saying he is playing to instructions did not excuse him either.
It's up to the players to make it clear that this is costing us time and time again.
time to go to bed for you young man
He struggled the whole game.
The same Tarkowski who got completely done by Rashford. If that happened to Maguire, people would be killing him for it.
Look, Burnley are specialists at this and Wood is pretty much the most difficult player in the league to deal with in those situations. Not every situation where an opposition team has some joy doing what they do best means our players are bad.
I thought he was decent. Burnley are not easy to contain defensively.
He was just as soft as Lindelof today, no excuses captain Maguire, you clear that header before the attacking player.
He actually made a goal saving tackle at one point too, so is even for goals he's responsible for.
The goal Tarkowski scored against him was no less robust than the one Maguire had disallowed earlier this season (can't remember who against), the double standards around Burnley and their roughness always winds me up.
The goal Tarkowski scored against him was no less robust than the one Maguire had disallowed earlier this season (can't remember who against), the double standards around Burnley and their roughness always winds me up.
Quite a patchy performance from him — a lot of good moves mixed with a lot of questionable ones, including the mistake for their goal.
The only possible excuse for him is that our tactics were weird as our defense stayed quite deep while both of our holding midfielders pushed forward, leaving a huge gap behind them. And it's not like we don't know that out centre back pairing struggles in such situations... Top defender shouldn't be so exposed to possible one-on-one scenarios, but we all know and Ole knows that he is, so at least McTominay's positioning was questionable, he should've stayed deeper and helped cover that area.
The only possible excuse for him is that our tactics were weird as our defense stayed quite deep while both of our holding midfielders pushed forward, leaving a huge gap behind them. And it's not like we don't know that out centre back pairing struggles in such situations... Top defender shouldn't be so exposed to possible one-on-one scenarios, but we all know and Ole knows that he is, so at least McTominay's positioning was questionable, he should've stayed deeper and helped cover that area.
Sadly +1 -1 doesn't equal a good performance for a defender, even if we assume that his tackle had prevented an otherwise sure goal.
You can’t necessarily blame him for losing the header against Tarkovski for the goal today but you can blame him for the way we set up defending crosses at set pieces. We are too deep and and continue to allow big strong centre halves/forwards a 6 yard running start on our defenders. We will keep conceding this type of goal unless we change how we set up and mark attacking runners at set pieces. Maguire as the senior defender (and captain) should be driving this with the so called ‘coaches,’ yet I see us getting poorer if anything, not better.
Certainly not his best match, but if we're gonna blame him for the goal then we have to give him credit for the goal saving tackle.
Not his best performance, but not nearly as bad as its been made out to be, especially when the goal would have been disallowed as a foul if Maguire had jumped onto Tarkowski.
It’s funny that some posters waits for the moment Harry has a bad/weaker game and immediately storm to this thread and tell everyone about it.
He can't win. He puts in a good performance and it's "oh yeah he cost X Million" and when there's a slip up it's "I told you so".
If we as a team are set out to defend set pieces zonally then I don't know how much organisation he could have done there, Tarkowski had the run on him. Defending set pieces has been our biggest issue this season so the blame on the organisation for them should lay with the manager here I think. AWB shouldn't have been marking him either.
He has been excellent recently and although not as good today still was fine. Don’t forget back of his mind may have been the fear of picking up a booking which would rule him out against Leeds and Liverpool
seems to get caught on the wrong side of his man too much.
Was today the game that if he got booked, he was banned for the Liverpool game?and Now effectively the previously collected yellows are wiped out?
good management by OGS, and well played Maguire.
good management by OGS, and well played Maguire.
Wasn’t ‘his man’ so keep trying...
I thought overall he was ok, not the disaster some are making out.
I feel like his timidness today specifically was more of a function of him not wanting to miss Leeds and Liverpool because of a soft John Moss yellow.
Would love to see how people here compete aerially against someone who gets the run up before the jump. Some of you must have Jordan-esque leap.
This has to be a joke.
I actually read the Burnley fan forum last year just to share unbiased opinion instead of using mine. There are different opinions on him among their fans. Some fans think he's top club level, some fans think he only suits Burnley style football & some fans think he can't play top club due to his incapable to be ball playing play from the back. If there are different opinions on experienced player in club like Burnley, that is something we need to avoid.
I'm speaking in general not just on the goal.
Certainly looked like he was in his zone
He was being marked by AWB, you need to look harder.
There is no offside for corner kicks. So if opposition players stand next to our keeper then our players also need to tag along with them. Sometimes we concede a goal. It is not a big deal. Occassionally strikers can miss opportunity, defenders can also lose their man.
Never ceases to amaze me how much Maguire supporters will throw every other player under the bus.
Wan Bisakka should not be marking the opponents most dangerous players at set pieces while Maguire stands marking air. Thats the problem.
Maguire is supposed to be captain it is up to him to sort these things out on the field and be aware of the dangers.
Instead he is never in the right place at the right time and it keeps costing us.
It isn't though is it. Zonal marking is a tactical choice made by the coaches. AWB was marking JT on the edge of the box, he lost him and JT then had a run on the ball which made it extemely hard for Maguire to win the challenge because of physics.
feck Physics and tactical choices, Maguire is the captain.
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