How should the breakaway clubs be dealt with now?

Enigma_87

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thats not fair on the players or the manager who worked hard to reach where we are. The players have distanced themself from this sham. Glazers and co should pay for their crimes. why should we ?
I'm sure the cleaning lady working at Lehman Brothers in 2008 didn't deserve to lose her job, and she had nothing to do with those who took the managing decisions.

The only way for the Glazers to pay for the crimes is massive financial hit. And that's not a fine.
 

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A slap on the wrist and sent to bed without supper. No serious harm was caused that would be worthy of a points deduction or worse.

The clubs outside the twelve will never forgive and forget, though.
 

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Since the teams are "invited" to play in European cup competitions, theoretically UEFA could just rescind their invite and give them to the top 4 clubs outside of the 6 in the prem.
As it stands:

CL:
Leicester
West Ham
Everton
Leeds

EL:
Villa
UEFA already bent backwards by changing the rules, they were beaten by City when they banned City.

UEFA want all the clubs to make big money, they are still the same organization.
 

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Needs to be financial punishment, Joel Glazer won't even know where we are in the table he wouldnt be bothered by a points deduction.
A 20 point reduction from next season would seriously harm the potential to reach top 4 that year and to get the revenues from the Champions league....the very competition they just shat all over
 

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Why should there be any punishment for something that never happened, ultimately? Considering that morally, Sky, UEFA and FIFA et al have no leg to stand on in this issue, perhaps it's best if they all go to the negotiating table.
They tried it and backed down. Its an extreme comparison but if you conspired to commit a crime and then attempted it but stopped halfway through when it became obvious you couldn't pull it off, you're still punished. Conspiracy to commit murder and attempted murder are still crimes.
 

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A 20 point reduction from next season would seriously harm the potential to reach top 4 that year and to get the revenues from the Champions league....the very competition they just shat all over
True, the obvious thing with that though is we still feel that punishment more. If there should be any punishment, moves should be made to drive these corrupt owners out of their clubs.
 

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Needs to be financial punishment, Joel Glazer won't even know where we are in the table he wouldnt be bothered by a points deduction.
As if he cares, it will be gone from our transfer kitty this year.
 

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Seem apparent that 12 of the wealthiest clubs attempted something of a coup and fell spectacularly on their faces.

This has resulted in resignations, reputational damage, the loss of key positions within UEFA, the burning of bridges with their fellow clubs and a near-unprecedented amount of negative publicity, in what was probably the most significant 48 hours in football for generations.

How should these clubs be dealt with going forward? Should they face punishment and if so, what? Should they all be treated equally or should the ring-leaders face harsher punishment? What measures can/should be put in place to ensure this bullshit doesn't happen again?
They need to prevent the growth of superclubs. Minimum amounts of fan ownership, limits on spending and wage bills and more equal revenue and voting rights.
 

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20 point deduction each. None of us in Europe next season. That'll teach us.
Honestly? Won't happen because both UEFA and the Premier League need our revenue streams too much. Any punishment that involves innocents (the players, manager etc) isn't 'fair' anyway, even if it's justifiable. I expect that the owners of various clubs will soon sell up anyway, and thus the guilty parties will swan off with their bags of swag and no justice anyway - but we'll all be happier for it, even if the opposition fans never let us forget this day (despite, you know, 90% of Man Utd fans being DEAD SET AGAINST IT)
 

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More share of revenue from UEFA and increase in guaranteed money for all 12 except oil clubs. Only fair way to deal with them.
 

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All involved clubs should be banned for a year from Europe.
I don’t disagree but what a snooze fest that year of European football would be.
 

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You still have the German clubs plus PSG. And like I said in my previous post, there is a possibility that only us and City could be kicked out of the CL. Plus Juve could be kept out by Napoli.
What about their 13 times champions and Mes Que Un Club? I know you were only spitballing but I don't think this kind of action is on the cards.

Of course I could be wrong, the world's gone pretty insane in the past few days.
 

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The 6 clubs should forfeit all voting and decision making rights for 10 years. The weighted distribution of broadcasting and sponsorship revenues should be scrapped for a completely equal share amongst all Prem sides as well.

I'm up for anything that puts the squeeze on cnuts like the Glazers and makes PL sides less attractive to American Investment leeches.
 

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So we pretend nothing happened and move on?
Nothing happened. They proposed an idea which was very unpopular and got lot of criticism. They backtracked and disbanded the whole thing after fans protest, govt intervention and loads of other factors.
 

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Ban the owners from football.

Why should the club, players & fans suffer points deductions for the actions of these few snakes?
 

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I suggest that no snidy, offending club, can finish any less than six points behind the peoples champions, Leicester City.
 
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Nothing happened. They proposed an idea which was very unpopular and got lot of criticism. They backtracked and disbanded the whole thing after fans protest, govt intervention and loads of other factors.
Not quite right. The 12 clearly broke FA and UEFA rules by attempting to set up a competition without permission. The fact they didn't get away with it doesn't mean nothing happened.
 

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Seem apparent that 12 of the wealthiest clubs attempted something of a coup and fell spectacularly on their faces.

This has resulted in resignations, reputational damage, the loss of key positions within UEFA, the burning of bridges with their fellow clubs and a near-unprecedented amount of negative publicity, in what was probably the most significant 48 hours in football for generations.

How should these clubs be dealt with going forward? Should they face punishment and if so, what? Should they all be treated equally or should the ring-leaders face harsher punishment? What measures can/should be put in place to ensure this bullshit doesn't happen again?
Put it in law that all clubs have a certain % of fans as stakeholders in the club. Fans wouldn't entertain such ventures, so they'd never get off the ground again. Punishing the clubs themselves, punishes the fans and the owners will carry on as normal. The players and managers were pretty much in unison against it, so why should they be the ones to pay?
 

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Not quite right. The 12 clearly broke FA and UEFA rules by attempting to set up a competition without permission. The fact they didn't get away with it, doesn't mean nothing happened.
And they didn't. That's the point. It's not like feck you, we will do whatever we want to. It was mentioned that it will be discussed with UEFA and others footballing institutions. They failed and whole thing is disbanded now.
 

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Nothing happened. They proposed an idea which was very unpopular and got lot of criticism. They backtracked and disbanded the whole thing after fans protest, govt intervention and loads of other factors.
so cutting ties with UEFA and resigning from ECA didn't happen? Attempting to create a rival competition ?

If you intend to fix a match, set it all up and pull in the last second makes you clean and you should receive no punishment?

As long as the same owners are at the helm of the club they (and the club) should be penalized.
 

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Nothing will happen. A few apologetic statements from the clubs, governing bodies with "delighted to reach a solution and work together" sort of response etc. They'll let it stew until the seasons over in the hope when the Euro's comes around everyone will have quickly forgotten about it by then. Transfer season back to normal.. eh Super League? What the f is that?
 

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It was a coup, and it should be dealt like all coups. With heavy, massive punishments.

I wouldn't go as far as throwing them from the league, but banning them from Europe next season would be totally justified.

The idea scenario would be far heavy punishments, in the condition that if the entire board of the clubs resigns (and gets replaced by an UEFA/respective FA board), the punishment gets lifted.
 

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Nothing happened. They proposed an idea which was very unpopular and got lot of criticism. They backtracked and disbanded the whole thing after fans protest, govt intervention and loads of other factors.
They didn't propose anything though. They didn't propose it to the PL, not to UEFA, they kept managers out of the loop too. And players.

It wasn't a proposal, it was a coup as @Revan correctly put.
 

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Honestly? Won't happen because both UEFA and the Premier League need our revenue streams too much. Any punishment that involves innocents (the players, manager etc) isn't 'fair' anyway, even if it's justifiable. I expect that the owners of various clubs will soon sell up anyway, and thus the guilty parties will swan off with their bags of swag and no justice anyway - but we'll all be happier for it, even if the opposition fans never let us forget this day (despite, you know, 90% of Man Utd fans being DEAD SET AGAINST IT)
I’m sure the ABUs will somehow point the entire thing at United’s door over the next few years.
 

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It was a coup, and it should be dealt like all coups. With heavy, massive punishments.

I wouldn't go as far as throwing them from the league, but banning them from Europe next season would be totally justified.

The idea scenario would be far heavy punishments, in the condition that if the entire board of the clubs resigns (and gets replaced by an UEFA/respective FA board), the punishment gets lifted.
Absolutely this.

All for the last para too. If the entire board, change of ownership occurs - punishment gets lifted.