European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?


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Tapori

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I just don't see that. If anything, the past years have proven that those mega transfers for absurd sums are leading nowhere. Spread the risk more evenly, plan carefully and in advance, show interest in the right players in the right moments, emphasize sustainability and a long term vision, ideally by giving your club a recognizable playing style and identity.

Also, I think the spending habits of PSG, City and Chelsea are less extreme than they're usually made out to be. PSG have been very cautious on the transfer market since signing Mbappe and Neymar. Yes, they maintain a squad with two super stars but the team is very imbalanced - an enormous gap in quality between the worst and the best player. City is constantly spending highly but they distribute the risk very well and ensure they have a well balanced team and distribute the risk. No silly 100+m transfers or anything like that. Chelsea has had a very crazy summer despite Corona but they also had the Hazard fee as well as budget from last year to spend.

Moreover, I believe people underestimate the wage bills. Barca is spending around 70% of their revenue on salaries, and they have the highest revenue among all clubs. This is crazy. They afford very expensive players in every position and they spent 500m on transfer fees with atrocious return on top of it. That's just incredibly wasteful. Honestly, I lack words for how badly Barca has been run ever since Guardiola left.
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I just don't see that. If anything, the past years have proven that those mega transfers for absurd sums are leading nowhere. Spread the risk more evenly, plan carefully and in advance, show interest in the right players in the right moments, emphasize sustainability and a long term vision, ideally by giving your club a recognizable playing style and identity.

Also, I think the spending habits of PSG, City and Chelsea are less extreme than they're usually made out to be. PSG have been very cautious on the transfer market since signing Mbappe and Neymar. Yes, they maintain a squad with two super stars but the team is very imbalanced - an enormous gap in quality between the worst and the best player. City is constantly spending highly but they distribute the risk very well and ensure they have a well balanced team and distribute the risk. No silly 100+m transfers or anything like that. Chelsea has had a very crazy summer despite Corona but they also had the Hazard fee as well as budget from last year to spend.

Moreover, I believe people underestimate the wage bills. Barca is spending around 70% of their revenue on salaries, and they have the highest revenue among all clubs. This is crazy. They afford very expensive players in every position and they spent 500m on transfer fees with atrocious return on top of it. That's just incredibly wasteful. Honestly, I lack words for how badly Barca has been run ever since Guardiola left.
Good post, maybe you're right.
 

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So..

Barca get 220m for Neymar, waste 280m on Coutinho and Dembele, then raise a loan to sign a player whose position is already occupied by the best player in the world for 120m. Madrid rebuilds its stadium for almost 800m then wastes 140m on a player with one year left on his contract. Juve signs a 33 year old for 100m and probably pays him around 50m per season. T Luckily there's Perez to identify the root of all these problems: The CL simply isn't profitable enoug!
That's true, dumb decisions affect clubs, on the other hand city can spend millions and millions on freaking defenders and it doesn't matter. If it doesn't work out, they do it again next year. I wonder why the two oil clubs involved where the first to get out.

Good that this joke of a super league is falling apart, but let's not forget that it fell off because UEFA threatened the clubs. UEFA has a lot of corruption and things that need to be fixed, and I think today events will make that harder. It seems that UEFA came out more powerful. I hope Im wrong.

And BTW, I'm really embarrassed that Juventus is still one of the clubs trying to make this work and havent officially abandoned this dumb idea.
 

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We should still be punished in some form,this was a coup.
Any punishment is pointless unless those responsible are hit where it hurts. So I'd suggest the yearly dividends to the Glazers to be suspended.

Dear Malcolm must be turning in his grave with the way his son Joel fcuked up.
 

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I just woke up. Chauvin found guilty of murder and this, the best morning in at least 14 months for me :D


All of you who said the ESL was inevitable and nothing stopping it now.

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That's true, dumb decisions affect clubs, on the other hand city can spend millions and millions on freaking defenders and it doesn't matter. If it doesn't work out, they do it again next year. I wonder why the two oil clubs involved where the first to get out.

Good that this joke of a super league is falling apart, but let's not forget that it fell off because UEFA threatened the clubs. UEFA has a lot of corruption and things that need to be fixed, and I think today events will make that harder. It seems that UEFA came out more powerful. I hope Im wrong.

And BTW, I'm really embarrassed that Juventus is still one of the clubs trying to make this work and havent officially abandoned this dumb idea.
I mean you're omitting salaries here. Ronaldo makes €31m net per season; that's €60m gross, so in 3 seasons, your outlay for Ronaldo has been €280m. That buys an absolute feckton of defenders mate.
 

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So..

Barca get 220m for Neymar, waste 280m on Coutinho and Dembele, then raise a loan to sign a player whose position is already occupied by the best player in the world for 120m. Madrid rebuilds its stadium for almost 800m then wastes 140m on a player with one year left on his contract. Juve signs a 33 year old for 100m and probably pays him around 50m per season. T Luckily there's Perez to identify the root of all these problems: The CL simply isn't profitable enoug!
That's exactly what it's looking like now. This was born out of desperation for the Spanish teams finances after wasting so much money. This financial ruin is well deserved. This was their desperation bid. They then probably asked the fellow destatable cnuts the glazers and co who heard 'wait we can make more money??. Where do we sign up'
 

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I mean you're omitting salaries here. Ronaldo makes €31m net per season; that's €60m gross, so in 3 seasons, your outlay for Ronaldo has been €280m. That buys an absolute feckton of defenders mate.
Yes that's the point. A huge salary for Ronaldo hinders their ability on the market. It didn't work out because the goal was to win the CL. Now they are financially fecked until Ronaldo leaves. Mistakes have an effect on clubs and that's fine, it should be that way. Thats not what happens at city or psg. They can make a mistake, spend whatever they want and keep spending and trying. Or are you trying to argue most clubs spend as much as city?
 

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Yes that's the point. A huge salary for Ronaldo hinders their ability on the market. It didn't work out because the goal was to win the CL. Now they are financially fecked until Ronaldo leaves. Mistakes have an effect on clubs and that's fine, it should be that way. Thats not what happens at city or psg. They can make a mistake, spend whatever they want and keep spending and trying. Or are you trying to argue most clubs spend as much as city?
I'm arguing that City haven't made a mistake anywhere near as catastrophic as what you did with Ronaldo. City haven't come anywhere close to investing that amount in a single player - they diversify their investments across multiple positions to mitigate risk.
 

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of course he has. Didn't you see his statement where he thanked the fans for all their support to him? I mean he is delusional if he thinks the fans supported him.
Imagine spending 16 years of your life as an employee of a football club, and every fan of the club fecking just goes full Mario Balotelli with the celebrations when you decide to leave.
 

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No? PSG deserve no praise. They only didn’t support it because their owners have an expensive but lucrative contract with UEFA for the Champions League broadcast rights until 2024 and they need to stay on FIFA’s good side after all the World Cup shenanigans.

If people seriously believed PSG’s God awful “we support integrity in the sport” then shame on you: you’re as bad as those in favour of the ESL.

PSG were dead certs to join the ESL in 2024. They played their cards close to their chest due to already sketchy relationships with football institutions and fans, they saw what way they wind was blowing and followed suit in condemning it.

All in all they played a blinder really, but they’re still genuinely evil inhumane monsters.

The only ones who deserve praise are Bayern, who are probably the best club in the world currently and they’d stand to gain “the most“ financially (Bundesliga performs poorly in revenues in comparisons to other top leagues) and stood firm with their rejection of the proposal in no uncertain terms.
exactly!
 

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Perez isn't giving up! :lol:

I seriously don't know what else they can do to make this a reality.
Guy will end up making it a global thing with Corithians, Flamengo, Fluminense, Boca, River, Club America, Atlanta United, L.A. Galaxy, Al Ahly all getting invites

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I'm arguing that City haven't made a mistake anywhere near as catastrophic as what you did with Ronaldo. City haven't come anywhere close to investing that amount in a single player - they diversify their investments across multiple positions to mitigate risk.
Yes because they can spend whatever they want. The Ronaldo situation will be no big deal for them. Didn't they just bought Ruben dias for about 70 euros this season? Last season both cancelo and rodri for over 60 each? Every year they have purchases like that.

Anyway I have reached my post limit.
 

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Funny seeing Chelsea and City fans on reddit claiming the moral high ground that it's Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal fault and their club were just deceived.
 

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Funny seeing Chelsea and City fans on reddit claiming the moral high ground that it's Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal fault and their club were just deceived.
Tribalism at its finest and unfortunately and rightly as the two biggest clubs in this country we will bear the brunt of this. We will never forget what happened over the last two days. However, never forget the atrocities associated with those two clubs and PSG.

Our clubs have some of the greediest money grabbing cnuts in the world, those clubs are backed by regimes sportswashing their brands and who have committed atrocities against humanity.
 

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Seeing all this now, I just wish something similar would have happened when Chelsea and City started blatantly buying titles with oil money. Where were all those pundits, players and leaders back then?
 

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Funny seeing Chelsea and City fans on reddit claiming the moral high ground that it's Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal fault and their club were just deceived.
Tbf by pretty much all accounts ourselves, Liverpool and Real were the ringleaders of this shit-show so I have no issue with us taking particular flack.

From other clubs, that is. Not from the dipshit clubs who jumped off the cliff with us.

Pinning it on Arsenal seems particularly unfair given I would assume they were just delighted to be invited along by the big kids.
 

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It's not ok that he will stay on until the end of the year. He should never set foot in the club again. Infact, he should be barred from ever working in football again.
 

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Assigning blame seems pretty futile. Obviously Perez, Henry and Glazer are the 3 biggest culprits in this fiasco. By far.

Who cares at what point the owners bottled out? They will have all bottled it literally within half an hour of each other, even if some of the announcements came later, after 'the 12' had their zoom call.
 

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Seeing all this now, I just wish something similar would have happened when Chelsea and City started blatantly buying titles with oil money. Where were all those pundits, players and leaders back then?
Look pal, i completely agree with that. But we can't afford to denigrate the work those involved have done regardless of past failures. All that we can do is now encourage them to put pressure on those clubs.
 

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Guy will end up making it a global thing with Corithians, Flamengo, Fluminense, Boca, River, Club America, Atlanta United, L.A. Galaxy, Al Ahly all getting invites

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Who would watch that? Without premier league clubs the project is dead. Simple as that.
 

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As much as I disagree with those that wanted it to succeed, or even those that wanted to wait and see; let's not break this unity we've got going now and focus on getting the Glazers out of the club next.
For the first time, I have greater than 0% chance that maybe its possible to force out Kroenke from Arsenal (who really ruined any enthusiasm for the modern version of the club). It would be really nice if fans could reclaim even the tiniest amount of influence at the clubs. I don't have much hope, but at least there is a tiny crack
 

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What has further disgusted me is both the Liverpool manager and captain have come out publicly against the Super League abomination. Jordan Henderson spoke on behalf of the players as a "collective position" putting pressure on the American owners. What about the United equivalents Ole and Maguire?? Absolutely nothing. Deafening silence.
Klopp barely said anything. Henderson spoke out once the the crash was imminent.
 

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Who would watch that? Without premier league clubs the project is dead. Simple as that.
Evidently they’re saying they’re going to keep working on it. I just said a possibility albeit tongue-n-cheek. Nor was I saying that it would be successful or that people would flock to it
 

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Or Arsenal. Both fans are probably just happy to be involved or considered amongst the other elite clubs.
No way. The current Arsenal is no where near deserving of being in a "Super League" and even if this was an early 2000s Arsenal competing for the league, it would be a rotten idea. I'd like to believe no decent Gooner would ever consider it a good idea even if the club wasn't miles away from being anywhere near the elite.
 

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Thought I'd check the Juventuz forum to see their take on this but what an awful bunch. I assume no one on there is actually Italian but it was still surprising to me how Pro Super League they are/were.
 

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Klopp barely said anything. Henderson spoke out once the the crash was imminent.
Klopp said as much as he could, henderson and the liverpool players after a presumably coordinated meeting released simultaneous identical posts against the ESL. We at that point had not yet formally withdrawn from this abomination. Henderson also called a captains meeting for the PL captains.

Now is not the time for tribalism and points scoring between fans pal, now is the time to unite whatever fanbase you are from against these billionaire owners attempting to centralise the wealth power and influence of this game. They attempted to take from us what the great people of our respective institutions built. Please just forget rivalry for the foreseeable future and help unite against these unrelenting parasites and their insatiable greed.
 

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Come on. The last CLs went to:

Bayern
Liverpool
Madrid
Madrid
Madrid
Barcelona
Madrid
Bayern
Chelsea
Barcelona
Inter
Barcelona
United

That's one (!) oil club in the conversation. Barca, Madrid and co. have gotten themselves into these situations. Barca didn't need to spend half a billion on players they didn't need and had no place for in the team, especially not if it required raising a loan.
But look how money is distributed in the spanish league. The top lot get clear advantage in their own league and Europe.