Champions league Semi Finals 2020-21 - April 27-28 and May 4-5

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Top heavy side. Mbappe, Neymar and a few others are WC but it's a significant drop off from there.

City get mocked for their reluctance to shell out a lot of money on a single signing but it does result in a more even distribution of talent.
Yeah. The wages of Mbappe and Neymar are insane. Mbappe's new contract is apparently even bigger than Neymar's :lol:
 

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Apparently carvajal is out for the rest of the season. That's both wingbacks they had out of next weeks game if true.
 

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Injury number 57 this season, it's incredible.
Nacho or Valverde, in this case it would be a significant loss for the midfield. I read a time ago that Carva is the player who has been injured the most in recent years, even more than Bale, which has gone more or less unnoticed
I just read Nacho is injured too :houllier:

I can only think of two options (that I like).

3-5-2 with Ramos, Varane, Militao as CBs, Mendy and Valverde as wingbacks, Modric-Casemiro-Kroos as CMs, Hazard/Vinicius and Benzema upfront.

4-3-3 with Mendy and Militao as full backs, Varane, Ramos as CBs, Casemiro and 2 out of Modric, Kroos and Valverde and Hazard/Vinicius, Benzema and Asensio upfront.
 

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Apparently carvajal is out for the rest of the season. That's both wingbacks they had out of next weeks game if true.
So Nacho at RB, and Sergio Ramos back at CB?
 

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I just read Nacho is injured too :houllier:

I can only think of two options (that I like).

3-5-2 with Ramos, Varane, Militao as CBs, Mendy and Valverde as wingbacks, Modric-Casemiro-Kroos as CMs, Hazard/Vinicius and Benzema upfront.

4-3-3 with Mendy and Militao as full backs, Varane, Ramos as CBs, Casemiro and 2 out of Modric, Kroos and Valverde and Hazard/Vinicius, Benzema and Asensio upfront.
It could be a nice option.I'd take the 433 but it seems that Mendy's injury is a bit more serious and maybe won't be either
 

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So Nacho at RB, and Sergio Ramos back at CB?
Dunno but I hope kovas back. Also he better make loads of changes for the Fulham game. feck it off if needs be. We played the same 11 twice in a row (tbf to them they did run until they tired and he rightly made the triple sub)
 

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Dunno but I hope kovas back. Also he better make loads of changes for the Fulham game. feck it off if needs be. We played the same 11 twice in a row (tbf to them they did run until they tired and he rightly made the triple sub)
It seems as though Mendy and Valverde are not certainties to be ready for the return leg after all. Will be interesting to monitor that situation.

For sure, Tuchel has to rotate. Havertz, Ziyech, James, Alonso and Kovacic will likely be rotated in for Fulham.
 

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It seems as though Mendy and Valverde are not certainties to be ready for the return leg after all. Will be interesting to monitor that situation.

For sure, Tuchel has to rotate. Havertz, Ziyech, James, Alonso and Kovacic will likely be rotated in for Fulham.
I don't know about James. I'd rather see James back at rwb in the Madrid game than see azpi there again.
But for sure ring the changes
Cho alonso Gilmour zouma giroud or tammy etc
 

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I don't know about James. I'd rather see James back at rwb in the Madrid game than see azpi there again.
But for sure ring the changes
Cho alonso Gilmour zouma giroud or tammy etc
I'd personally prefer that too, but I suspect Tuchel will stick to the back 5 that stifled Real Madrid in the first game.
 

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Am I right in thinking that Lampard would get a winners or losers medal if Chelsea get to the final?

Would that also mean that if PSG play Chelsea in the final, Tuchel will get a winners AND a losers medal?
 

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City yes, but not by much. PSG though? No dont think so. Not from what iv seen from them, we should of beaten them twice this season and they fluked there way past bayern, somehow won the first leg despite getting completely battered and offered very little against city last night.

Put them in the EPL and they would be struggling for top 4 probably would be out of europe because of the extra demands.
You are overrating EPL way too much.

United is losing to Roma right now, who is 7th in Serie A, while United is 2nd in EPL.
And let's not forget that United lost to a team which is now 15th in the turkish league(out of 21 teams).

City being better than rest doesn't equal to the entire Premier League being better than rest.

PSG could perfectly reach top 4 in EPL.
 

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You are overrating EPL way too much.

United is losing to Roma right now, who is 7th in Serie A, while United is 2nd in EPL.
And let's not forget that United lost to a team which is now 15th in the turkish league(out of 21 teams).

City being better than rest doesn't equal to the entire Premier League being better than rest.

PSG could perfectly reach top 4 in EPL.
Sorry but PSG are an average team with a sprinkling of world class players. However, as a unit they're as flaky as feck. In the PL they would be a glorfied Spurs.
 

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You are overrating EPL way too much.

United is losing to Roma right now, who is 7th in Serie A, while United is 2nd in EPL.
And let's not forget that United lost to a team which is now 15th in the turkish league(out of 21 teams).

City being better than rest doesn't equal to the entire Premier League being better than rest.

PSG could perfectly reach top 4 in EPL.
Aged well.

In all honesty they prob would make top 4 but they would have to scrap for it. The evidence from european competitions this season suggest the EPL is by far the strongest league in europe at the moment.
 

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Sorry but PSG are an average team with a sprinkling of world class players. However, as a unit they're as flaky as feck. In the PL they would be a glorfied Spurs.
Sorry, but an average team doesn't reach CL Final, and then a semifinal the next year (and still have chances to get to final).

United (who is comfortably 2nd in the EPL) got eliminated in group stage because they lost to a turkish team who is now battling to not be relegated in Turkey, and also because they lost a Bundesliga team who was never threat for Bayern title in Germany.

It's a bit ridiculous to imply that United is on the same level of PSG or even better, considering than the last time Man Utd reached UCL semis was in 2011.
 

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Sorry, but an average team doesn't reach CL Final, and then a semifinal the next year (and still have chances to get to final).

United (who is comfortably 2nd in the EPL) got eliminated in group stage because they lost to a turkish team who is now battling to not be relegated in Turkey, and also because they lost a Bundesliga team who was never threat for Bayern title in Germany.

It's a bit ridiculous to imply that United is on the same level of PSG or even better, considering than the last time Man Utd reached UCL semis was in 2011.
Preach
 

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You are overrating EPL way too much.

United is losing to Roma right now, who is 7th in Serie A, while United is 2nd in EPL.
And let's not forget that United lost to a team which is now 15th in the turkish league(out of 21 teams).

City being better than rest doesn't equal to the entire Premier League being better than rest.

PSG could perfectly reach top 4 in EPL.
United beat Roma 6-2, Arsenal are in the semis, Chelsea may reach the CL final as well. Only 2 years ago there was an all PL final in both competitions.

Sorry, but an average team doesn't reach CL Final, and then a semifinal the next year (and still have chances to get to final).

United (who is comfortably 2nd in the EPL) got eliminated in group stage because they lost to a turkish team who is now battling to not be relegated in Turkey, and also because they lost a Bundesliga team who was never threat for Bayern title in Germany.

It's a bit ridiculous to imply that United is on the same level of PSG or even better, considering than the last time Man Utd reached UCL semis was in 2011.
Bear in mind, we are well above another of the teams that is on course to reach the final, which highlights that the draw has a lot to do with it.

One of the three teams had to be knocked out, it was United thanks to the well below standard display in Turkey. The non threatening German team also beat PSG during the group remember. I think PSG would make top four in the PL, but it's not ridiculous to compare them to United- we even knocked them out of Europe when we were at our worst in 2019.
 

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There were rumours that Real Madrid had planned to rest Modric, Kroos, Benzema etc for the league game this weekend, but I wonder what Barca losing last night does to those plans.
 

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There were rumours that Real Madrid had planned to rest Modric, Kroos, Benzema etc for the league game, but I wonder what Barca losing last night does to those plans.
Will be very interesting to see what we do tomorrow. I would imagine SIlva, Azpi, Chillwell, Puli, Mount and Kante might get the day off.
 

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Will be very interesting to see what we do tomorrow. I would imagine SIlva, Azpi, Chillwell, Puli, Mount and Kante might get the day off.
Yeah, we have a large squad and Tuchel has shown he loves to rotate as it is. I would imagine we would see Alonso, Zouma, Ziyech, Havertz, CHO etc come in, maybe even get Kovacic some game time if he's match fit.
 
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Sorry, but an average team doesn't reach CL Final, and then a semifinal the next year (and still have chances to get to final).

United (who is comfortably 2nd in the EPL) got eliminated in group stage because they lost to a turkish team who is now battling to not be relegated in Turkey, and also because they lost a Bundesliga team who was never threat for Bayern title in Germany.

It's a bit ridiculous to imply that United is on the same level of PSG or even better, considering than the last time Man Utd reached UCL semis was in 2011.
PSG are obvious not average, are just underperforming in the French League.
UCL is a competition of small margins, we had a horrible second half at OT against PSG, a stinker of a first half against Leipzig in Germany and a terrible match against Basaksehir in Istanbul. PSG lost to Leipzig away, lost to us at home too. We are not that far off PSG, they have better players upfront and more experienced players in the CL and that's about it as pluses compared to us. If we get a top class attacker and they lose Mbappe we are even steven.
 

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Yes, sure. Maybe he'll repeat the Cádiz team ,which was something like a 5-2-3, with Blanco and Casemiro in the middle, or 3 including Isco
Forgot isco was a footballer. What happened to him
 

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Sorry, but an average team doesn't reach CL Final, and then a semifinal the next year (and still have chances to get to final).

United (who is comfortably 2nd in the EPL) got eliminated in group stage because they lost to a turkish team who is now battling to not be relegated in Turkey, and also because they lost a Bundesliga team who was never threat for Bayern title in Germany.

It's a bit ridiculous to imply that United is on the same level of PSG or even better, considering than the last time Man Utd reached UCL semis was in 2011.
Draws have a lot to do with it and also form at any particular moment of the season in a KO competition. I mean Spurs made the 2019 final. Doesn't mean they're not Spursy.
 

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Draws have a lot to do with it and also form at any particular moment of the season in a KO competition. I mean Spurs made the 2019 final. Doesn't mean they're not Spursy.
? Their draws this year are barca bayern city
Their group had Man Utd leipzig in
Hardly a cakewalk.
 

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Sorry but PSG are an average team with a sprinkling of world class players. However, as a unit they're as flaky as feck. In the PL they would be a glorfied Spurs.
A team with Neymar and Mbappe in their ranks would be a ‘glorified Spurs’ in the PL according to this guy. If anyone wonders whether jingoistic propaganda works in blinding people to sensible opinions, then this is exhibit A right here
 

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? Their draws this year are barca bayern city
Their group had Man Utd leipzig in
Hardly a cakewalk.
I did say draws and form.

Last year their route was; Dortmund, Atalanta (which they should've lost), RBL.

This season, they did get big names but Barca have been highly inconsistent and they got to play Bayern without the player that scores 50% of their goals. Even then how they won that first leg is a mystery to anyone that watched the game.
 

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A team with Neymar and Mbappe in their ranks would be a ‘glorified Spurs’ in the PL according to this guy. If anyone wonders whether jingoistic propaganda works in blinding people to sensible opinions, then this is exhibit A right here
Well, saying a sprinkling of world class players obviously means I rate those two as world class players. So, hardly a massive pop at the two.

My point about PSG is that they're flaky in the way Spuds are (glorified also means better fyi.) For me they're that team that everyone thinks are just on the cusp of doing something, then bottle it in the final stages.

If you think they're a great team then fair enough. However, they aren't winning Ligue 1 this year or the CL.
 

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? Their draws this year are barca bayern city
Their group had Man Utd leipzig in
Hardly a cakewalk.
They were blessed though. Outplayed by us at OT.. Somehow won. Destroyed by Leipzig.. Somehow won. Couldn't get a kick v Bayern in the first leg. Somehow won.
Theyre as blessed to get this far as Spurs were 2 years ago
 

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Well, saying a sprinkling of world class players obviously means I rate those two as world class players. So, hardly a massive pop at the two.

My point about PSG is that they're flaky in the way Spuds are (glorified also means better fyi.) For me they're that team that everyone thinks are just on the cusp of doing something, then bottle it in the final stages.

If you think they're a great team then fair enough. However, they aren't winning Ligue 1 this year or the CL.
So because they haven’t won the Champions League yet, they’re ‘flaky’ and ‘bottlers’?

Does this also apply to Man City?