How’s it going in South Africa? You guys coming out the other side of your recent surge?
This is why “let it rip” isn’t such a great way to get the economy flowing. People just lock themselves down when they know they can’t rely on the health system to always be available in the case of a somewhat likely emergency.
Yeah and these are just the Hindu population. Muslim and Christian burials not even factored in. Reckon the deaths are at least 20 times more.
Yeah so second wave is definitely over now. Numbers are starting to creep up a bit in a few provinces, with the country's test positivity rate creeping up to the 5% level (on a side note, we've also seen the request for tests start to spike but this may just be due to flu season starting now). Interestingly, the province with the highest number of cases and deaths in the second wave definitely has the lowest now, so it may be a sign of herd immunity starting to take effect.
That’s certainly what foreign media are claiming re under reporting. But Social media in India is very vigilant. Also these numbers are reported independently for each state by the state government. And the opposition parties are very actively keeping an eye too.The Indian numbers are vastly underreported. Some places probably to a factor of even 10 or more
There's places where almost every second person is testing positive! 50% positivity rate is absolutely alarming to say the least.
Everyone is fudging numbers now. People who've been to crematorium have been counting 20+ bodies burning at any point in time. As per most records, we're burning 300 odd bodies on a daily basis in just 1 cemetary. In a city like Delhi, even the conservatve number by such extrapolation would mean close to 1000+ deaths (would be closer to 2000 in reality as there are 25-30 cemeteries). We're reporting 400 odd deaths.
With the mass testing being carried out - including lateral flow tests - and with schools being opened (tested regularly) and gradual opening of society, I think a hold in case numbers should probably be considered a decent result.
Its a great result, I just don't believe it. I'm hearing about just as many new cases in my day to day life than when the virus was at its peak with the UK reporting 40k+/day. Lateral Flow positives need an immediate PCR test, so its not like those should be going unreported.
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I like that map but our local news are being arseholes with it with panic stories such as “local cases up 40%” when all that’s happened is cases are so low that one class of kids had about 10 cases so of course the rate rose rapidly, but don’t report it like it’s spreading like wildfire again
Not so much in regards to the press, but I remember early summer last year there being similar issues.
The UK has opened up rapidly, cases will probably rise now.
It’s not opened that rapidly really, schools have been back for a good while, shops, gyms and outdoor dining/pints have been back for over 2 weeks with no real rise so far but there’s been enough time for it to happen. The real test will be mid May when indoor dining and that sort of thing comes back.
UK's first real test
it only counts as a test if we don’t fail it too
Its not that confusing we are reaching around 70% of the adult population having antibodies via natural infection or vaccination this is over the threshold of what will stop chain transmission so now the virus is still with us but its much more likely to be stopped in its tracks by someone vaccinated/immune from a previous infection you now have a 30% chance of bumping into someone and them being the next link to spread transmission.
Impossible to get accurate stats from India right now. To know what % of cases are hospitalised you need to first know an exact number of cases. With positivity rate of testing running as high as 50% we know the documented number of cases is a huge underestimate of the true numbers. Which will falsely inflate death/hospitalisations rates.
It's because of traditional and social media that we know it's being vastly under reported.
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Probably a stupid (and hopefully not too insensitive?) question but does the undercounting matter? Everyone know India is going through hell at the moment, mainly down to gross mismanagement by the government. Does it change anything to have a death toll that is 50% less than reality? With all the grim scenes of overwhelmed crematoriums and people dying before they get to hospital the official death toll is inevitably going to be wildly inaccurate.
We just cant manufacture the vaccines fast enough and get the world vaccinated fast enough. Thats despite the staggering speed the vaccines were developed in. So many different facets to how the world and countries function combining to trip up every step forward we think we have made. Every social ill being magnified along the way. I really hope that once this is finally under some level of acceptable control the world doesnt quickly forget the hard lessons being learned.
The undercounting ultimately leads to more distrust of govt and whats needed is govts people trust so that the public follow good leadership. (assuming good leadership is in place)
Which one as i got my 2nd Moderna last Monday and had two shite days.
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Moderna too. Ok just a bit of a temperature and no appetite
A few things I can think of:
All solid points. Thanks.
All the stupid cnuts in the world need to know what happens when you overload the health system
UP, Gujarat, Bihar.. which one is the fourth?
I'm assuming MP?
Delhi. Of course there, with LG signing off on all decisions, it's hard to say who is messing with what.
