Don't care about 2nd place implications for us at this point, but I definitely want to see Liverpool not finish in the top 4. Let's get it done on Sunday!
Top 4 race / race abandoned (or maybe not) / Leicester & Chelsea in the process of bottling it
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A win against Leicester should be all United need to finish second.
Famous last words and all but if we beat them it would cement the current top four you'd think. Leicester and Chelsea would only need three and eight points respectively to hold them off.
| Pos | Potential European Competition | Club | Pts | Games | GD | Remaining Opponents |
| 3 | Champions League | Leicester | 63 | 34 | 22 | Newcastle (H) United (A) Chelsea (A) Spurs (H) |
| 4 | Champions League | Chelsea | 58 | 33 | 20 | Fulham (H) City (A) Arsenal (H) Leicester (H) Villa (A) |
| 5 | Europa League | West Ham | 55 | 33 | 10 | Burnley (A) Everton (H) Brighton (A) West Brom (A) Southampton (H) |
| 6 | Europa League | Liverpool | 54 | 33 | 16 | United (A) Southampton (H) West Brom (A) Burnley (A) Palace (H) |
| 7 | Europa Conference League | Spurs | 53 | 33 | 18 | Sheffield United (H) Leeds (A) Wolves (H) Villa (H) Leicester (A) |
| 8 | Everton | 52 | 32 | 4 | Villa (H) West Ham (A) Villa (A) Sheffield United (H) Wolves (H) City (A) |
Shaping up quite nicely.
The slots for European Competitions can change according to the winners of Champions League, Europa League and FA Cup.
We'll probably lose. The dippers have a lot more to play for.
Yup. We're totally getting clobbered 0-5. Anti-jinx activated.
Our home form isn't great either.
Ever since we identified and eliminated "the problem"* I think we're on four wins out of four.
*the red-colored-stand-covers issue.
Win on Sunday and a draw would be enough against Leicester too. Though I'm obviously hoping it's a win.
If we can beat Liverpool or at least get a draw, I think their Top 4 chances will be very slim. Let's do it tomorrow!
We are on the edge now, will be very nerve wrecking our run in, hoping you guys beat Liverpool to help our situation a bit.
Leicester and Chelsea have a huge GD advantage over Everton and West Ham.. with just 4 games to go for those 2 .. they need to drop points in at least 2 games.. 3 in case of Leicester if 1 is a draw out of 4 games AND West Ham/Everton need to win 5/6 in a row..
Not happening.. the dream is over..
Would rather see Chelsea than Liverpool or Spurs in the CL..
Its almost certainly done.. and I hope it stays that way now.
Not happening.. the dream is over..
Would rather see Chelsea than Liverpool or Spurs in the CL..
Its almost certainly done.. and I hope it stays that way now.
Really don’t think Everton or West Ham will make top 4. Maybe a bit harsh on West Ham but still a brilliant season by their standards. Everton are.. Everton, don’t even think they’d realistically be strong enough to compete past the group stage of Europa League.
Great opportunity to stop Liverpool now.
Chelsea play City next and play Leicester in the run in.
Its stupidly tight. I actually favour Everton if they can get a run going. They could win every game going into the game v City on the last.
Yes, Everton who are the worst team by far of all the remaining top four contenders. They are a 50/1 shot at best. Guess you are just trolling at this point.
If they win tonight theyre 6 points behind Chelsea with a game in hand. They play West Ham next when Chelsea play City.
Wheres the trolling?
Youre the one who has spent 18 months telling me Chelsea are better than Utd and how theyd finish above us these last two seasons right?
And if West Brom win their next four games and Newcastle lose all theirs, West Brom are favourites to stay up. Who needs probability with this sort of impeccable logic.
Chelsea are quite clearly much better than United as this season has shown. United are underdogs at home to Liverpool tomorrow for starters: Manchester Utd - Liverpool Betting Odds, Soccer - Premier League (oddsportal.com)
Stop living your life by algorithms and betting odds. Or at least stop expecting anybody else to give a feck.
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I’m sorry?
If only there was some sort of league table that ranked teams in order of games won to demonstrate that is a load of rubbish! If only hey.
Someone doesn’t know how odds work
Clearly the data analysts and betting syndicates, people who do this for a living, are clueless. Random posters on an Internet forum know better. If it's not arrogant, then it is deluded beyond belief.
Imagine rating teams based on betting sites irrespective of what they achieved on the pitch
You’re embarrassing yourself here. Odds move with money. 4 words, remember them.
Enlighten me please. Because I think I do.Someone doesn’t know how odds work
Yep, much better. Just the 2 seasons in a row that theyll finish below us. Maybe itll be best of 5 or something and we will really settle this.
Its telling what stats you believe, apparently the table does lie. Also Odds move with money, not mathematical certainty so feck knows what point youre trying to make there.
I honestly believe youve spent 2 years under cover trolling on here and have gotten away with it.
And please explain how this thread exists if basing an opinion on how future games go is such an outlandish way to predict top 4. How else can i do it? Scrabble?
You act like betting odds are the holy grail. What were the odds of Liverpool finishing below United this season?
Imagine basing it on anything else. Or rather thinking to have seen something different on the pitch than betting syndicates with all their data that make the betting markets as efficient as they are.Imagine rating teams based on betting sites irrespective of what they achieved on the pitch
If favourites always won bookies wouldn’t exist because they’d have no money left.
Imagine using a Liverpool v Utd match odds argument to prove Chelsea are the better side.Imagine rating teams based on betting sites irrespective of what they achieved on the pitch
You’re doubling down?
Ha ha, man’s got no idea how betting algorithms work whatsoever.
He could always point to the zero times they’ve beaten us this season, or them being far below us in the table.
I dunno. The Utd v Villa odds could really settle this argument once and for all.
Yeah, I have put him on ignore from last 2-3 years for the very same reason. Doesn't matter what happens on the pitch, post was full of betting site links. So put him on ignore long back.
I don't even know what to say to that. There was a non-zero possibility of Liverpool finishing below United before the start of the season and it has happened. United have something like a 33% chance of winning tomorrow and Liverpool something like 35% give or take. If United win tomorrow, will you also come back and say the odds were wrong (after a single trial)? What if United win 6-0? I can get 500/1 for that right now. Will that price then also have been wrong just because an unlikely outcome actually happened? Do you know how probability works?
Here you go, have a read ffs.
https://help.smarkets.com/hc/en-gb/articles/214559905-Why-do-betting-odds-change-
It’s so close now that more money going on United before kick off it’ll be the opposite.
United opened much shorter actually and Liverpool have been backed into favourites. Any major changes are unlikely at this point unless there are significant team news. The closing price is the most accurate of course. So if United kick-off shorter than Liverpool then this is the best reflection of the strength of the two sides at this point in time. Home advantage is factored in though and if this were on a neutral pitch, Liverpool would be clear favourites.
Yup, here’s an ignore. My god, I think I’m talking to an AI that’s shorted out.
This is honestly like arguing with people who think climate change isn't real because it snowed last week. Tiresome and pointless.