Protest at Old Trafford

Livvie

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My only problem is if that they broke any windows, we'd have to actually get the glazers in.
:lol: :lol:

Hope a delayed kick off won't mean a clash with Line of Duty
 
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So I guess I can't have an opinion because I'm not born right outside Old Trafford? Deal with it that we support the same club, a global club, and United have fans all over the world.

Do you often try to personally get to any fan who doesn't agree with you? Hey, I'm a Manc and he's from fecking Poland!
It has nothing to do with not being a real supporter or from Manchester or whatever, it has to do with having a completely shit opinion.

Obviously you can think what you want, but it makes you look completely out of touch with how much damage they have done to the club and will continue to do unless drastic aciton like this is taken.

Will it work? No idea, but it's sure as feck worth a try.
 

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Nice one. I enjoy the discussion on here.

Local fans, yeah, true reds who can express their view on the club - others can't.

And because of money from Sky Sports you could celebrate Barcelona in 1999 or Moscow in 2008. Do you realise that?
Jesus man, your principles could not be any more wrongly placed.

Where does the Sky money come from do you think?
 
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Do you know breaking in is a crime? That goes beyond civil disobedience, it's trespassing on private property. But how can I reason with logic like this?
I do know breaking in is a crime - peaceful civil disobedience sometimes requires breaking the law. You do know that, right? You've heard of things like the civil rights protests in America, the suffragettes here and the anti-apartheid protests in South Africa? I'm not saying this is anything like as important, but civil disobedience does sometimes mean breaking the law.
 

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If the game is cancelled it doesn't matter looking at the bigger picture. Get the cnuts at the helm out. If you are worried about corner flags, etc. - the fans aren't hurting anyone, if they want to show their anger on the pitch, so be it.
 

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Good, then we keep doing it.

This club means more to us than it does to them. As soon as its not profitable, they'll run off with their tails between their legs.

Introduce money to anything and the vultures will come to skim off the top. Same with this country to be honest, but not wanting to get into that.
 

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For this to have any real effect, fans have to do this for each and every home match for a consistent period of time to sustain momentum – all the while fending off the elements who would undermine the message with violence and vandalism.
 

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Carragher’s got it absolutely right. This is more than the ESL. It’s what they’ve been doing over their whole tenure taking money out of the club filling their own pockets.
He must have felt a bit vulnerable stood there on the sidelines with 100s of United fans rampaging around.
Mostly peaceful, but it only takes the odd 1-2 nutjobs doing something silly. Like the camera smasher.
 

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Exactly. When was the last time a peaceful protest achieved anything groundbreaking?!

The sad fact of the matter is that placards and marches don’t achieve results.
So drunken louts destroying property is the answer??
 

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It’s also clear that the protesters have not even the beginning of an idea of how to get the glazers out.

Exactly I seriously doubt the Glazers saw this or watch any match to be honest.

It's just brainless thuggery that achieved nothing
 

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I do know breaking in is a crime - peaceful civil disobedience sometimes requires breaking the law. You do know that, right? You've heard of things like the civil rights protests in America, the suffragettes here and the anti-apartheid protests in South Africa? I'm not saying this is anything like as important, but civil disobedience does sometimes mean breaking the law.
Breaking in is now a peaceful crime? Good lord :lol:

And trying to compare it to Apartheid? False equivalence doesn't even begin to describe how bad your argument is.
 

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I do know breaking in is a crime - peaceful civil disobedience sometimes requires breaking the law. You do know that, right? You've heard of things like the civil rights protests in America, the suffragettes here and the anti-apartheid protests in South Africa? I'm not saying this is anything like as important, but civil disobedience does sometimes mean breaking the law.
This is the understatement of the century.
 

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Proud to be a Red today, great work everyone at the protest. Emotional watching some of that footage.
 

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Roy’s right we’re footballing people we want to watch the game, it doesn’t take anything away from you as a supporter...
 

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I struggle to see this ending well.

The Glazers won't quit over one game so this sort of intervention would have to be a sustained pattern.

The best-case scenario under such a prolonged battle of attrition is the Glazers gone but Man Utd set back by several years.

a. The club would lose points from repeated breaches of whatever codes govern these sorts of matters, which might mean missing out on Europe.
b. This would lead to additional loss of revenue in addition to covid hardship, and no good players will be joining. A few of the current good ones will leave.
c. Man Utd will plunge back into mid-table obscurity. The Glazers may or may not decide to divest. If successful, the Glazers will be forced to leave some way...but they won't go empty-handed. They would take as much from the club as they could on their way out, leaving a paucity of funds.
d. The new owners would either be similarly wealthy capitalists with dubious intentions or would attempt to recover organically or rely on debt to finance recovery.

At best, the club ends up in mid-table obscurity for a few years and recovers eventually. By this time, however, the financial power of Man Utd 's brand could have waned considerably,a nd the behemoth is no more.
I know it's a different era, but if United lose points, or were even relegated, the support wouldn't wane imo - mainly because of the manner of mid table/relegation - it wouldn't be down to poor football but to fan passion.
 

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Are people still going to condone this now? It's gotten well out of hand.
To be honest, I expected a lot worse. Thankfully the couple people lunging at security and smashing cameras up, seem to have been a couple only. The organisers on this have to insist on this being doing peacefully.
 

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I made absolutely no mention of where you are once. Im in New Zealand, Im not a local fan. Im just like you, a fan living in another country.
Good on you for being a real supporter.
 

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Hard to be critical of them to be fair, you’ve put up with these owners for a long time now... doubt the game will go ahead now, hopefully it’s rescheduled because I wouldn’t want three points this way.

Feels like a monumental season in fans getting their game back, the actual football has felt like a secondary thing for a bit now.
 

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They bought stocks, that's about it. But with the dividends they got, it was a great investment. Other than that, they did not invest and as Gary said, they keep it tight hence OT and Carrington haven't been updated
It's why it's annoying Sourness has been very ignorant and can't understand that the money we spend each year is club money not Glazer money.
 

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Thousands of people could turn up and stay there from morning until night screaming their hearts out.

The Glazer's won't even be aware until they get a small memo whilst drinking their morning coffee. They will probably proceed to give a light chuckle and shake of the head then go on with their day.
Not the point. If the Glazers ignore, fine. But the Government have the power to change the law so ownership structures of clubs change to ensure fans have the ultimate say in the boardroom ensuring they are consulted and moves like their attempt to form a European Super League with others doesnt happen.

If the Glazers wont listen the authorities in this country will.

The Glazers only apologised because the Liverpool owners did. And their fake 'we want to communicate' is just that. Fake.

Clubs have to be protected from abusive owners.
 

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Are people still going to condone this now? It's gotten well out of hand.
Has it?

"Most of the capital used by Glazer to purchase Manchester United came in the form of loans, the majority of which were secured against the club's assets, incurring interest payments of over £60 million per annum"

That's well out of hand.
 

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I know it's a different era, but if United lose points, or were even relegated, the support wouldn't wane imo - mainly because of the manner of mid table/relegation - it wouldn't be down to poor football but to fan passion.
I remember when we were relegated in the 70s, that season in Div 2 back then was epic, the stadium was full every home game.
 
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Breaking in is now a peaceful crime? Good lord :lol:

And trying to compare it to Apartheid? False equivalence doesn't even begin to describe how bad your argument is.
If one is not being violent, of course it's a form of peaceful protest. Blocking traffic for an environmental protest is against the law, but it's peaceful. Not all acts of breaking the law are violent.

And I went out of my way to say I'm not comparing these protests to those, but the principle of civil disobedience stands. Don't twist my words, as I was explicit in that.
 

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99% of those in attendance today are generational United fans who fill terraces up and down the land - and further afield - wherever and whenever United play. Yet we have bleeding hearts here condemning their actions, the same people who have never set foot in Manchester before, let alone the ground. Go figure.

We have the best supporters in Britain, bar none. If any fanbase can eradicate a parasite, it’s ours. Well in, lads.
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