70 million pounds would be close. Not quite enough but close.
Anyway if we feck up this summer like last then we will be in for a long year.
Club need to start giving Ole the players he actually wants
Is Jadon Sancho really worth the 100 plus million fee?
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Anyway if we feck up this summer like last then we will be in for a long year.
Club need to start giving Ole the players he actually wants
I’d be all for Sancho but the issue I would see for the club is Greenwood has shown he is good and developing quickly on the right, you then have Amad in the wings. To then top it all off Sancho has shown he plays better off the left so it then complicates what to do about Rashford.
Pogba also seems to work better off the left so you’ve got 3 players on high wages who will all expect game time who all seem to perform better on the left. Unless force Pogba back in to the pivot or we go 433 and try to become a better possesion based team.
433 singing Rice and Sancho solves all these issues.
Can play 4231 in select games if we want to be more defensive.
£70m up front and add ons of say £10m is more than enough
His price tag is now less than £85m
Dortmund seems to be the worst team to deal with. Sancho, halaand, dembele, lewandowsi sagas were all a mess
Ive said previously but I don’t think Rice, Bruno or Pogba are good enough to do this and it’ll result in Shaw and Bissaka having to be more reserved. Martial and Sancho have shown they can play with back to goal and link up play. Mason is improving rapidly so my worry would be Rashfords part in all this in that I don’t think it suits him to be more possesion based which the team would need to be to accommodate Bruno and Pogba central.
Actually to say Pogba and Bruno aren’t good enough is poor wording. They are clearly both fantastic players but so far I’ve seen nothing from either that makes me think it’s in their wheelhouses and nothing from Rice that makes me think he is superhuman and can cover them especially when Bruno effectively plays as a 10.
Maybe if Pogba left and VDB was in the 3 it might work.
where is Greenwood playing if signing Rice and Sancho solves all the issues.
I think this is a bit disingenuous, especially the Mkhitaryan comparison. I don't want to call Mkhitaryan a one-season wonder because he's clearly a very talented player, but most players have a season they perform better in than any other. In his case that's the season before joining United. His other seasons at Dortmund aren't that different to his time in England or Italy. He scored 11 goals and 20 assists in the Bundesliga in 15/16 by the way, which are great numbers, but you're inflating them with his Europa League (+qualification) numbers of 7 goals and 10 assists.
Besides, he played in a brilliant Dortmund side under Tuchel. For instance they finished the season on more points than Klopp's first championship winning team, and only three points behind his second. Not to take anything away from Mkhitaryan because he was fantastic that season, but you have to put his stats into context given he was playing with peak Aubameyang and Reus to convert the chances created. On top of that he was often taking corners that season which helped his assist numbers. Going from a team playing creative free flowing football to Mourinho's United just didn't work out for him, but who knows if he would have been able to keep up that level even if he had stayed in Dortmund. After all that's not the level he had shown in seasons before that.
Sancho for the most part has played in a worse Dortmund team, but despite his young age he's performed at more or less this level for multiple seasons now, which Mkhitaryan didn't. The latter also always had a bit of a reputation for being a somewhat sensitive soul, so it's not surprising that he's struggled to show consistency over his career. Should Sancho join United this summer, he'll have an easier time adapting since he's English, but also I'd argue he'd be joining a much more positive team than Mkhitaryan did.
United should go for him, keep Cavani another year, add Sancho and a DM and it would be a good summer window.
And hopefully keep Pogba.
Dortmund may miss the CL so its a vital time to pinch some of their players. Haaland no.1 Sancho no.2 target. I wouldn't mind either dependent if other clubs can't pinch Haaland due to lack of funds although I suspect some will find the money somewhere
Maybe not but let's see. If he has a gentleman's agreement to leave the club and if United walk in with a 70m GBP amount, that's pretty much the euro equivalent theyl need.
A bit more, yes. I expect that it will happen. He's well worth whatever the sum will be.
We should try for a bulk deal - Bellingham, Sancho and Haaland.
I mean that would be the dream
Also I think any breakdown in a potential deal will come down to structure and intermediaries too. Dortmund had an inefficient third party way of dealing with it last season and rumoured stubbornness on wanting the amount upfront. I'm sure United won't entertain anythong like this even if its a 70m fee!
Not surprised by those comments. When a player gets denied their move especially a player that's not old, they tend to get it soon after.
Come home Jadon
Come home Jadon
What was Grealish up to when he was 20 ? Sancho will end up a much better football. And I'd argue that even today would have a bigger impact on our side given his end product is on a different level and the fact that he plays well on the right.
The whole world does not revolve around playing for England and the CL.
The decision on Sancho comes down to what we — Ole, I suppose — sees as Greenwood’s future. If Greenwood is to be developed as a CF of course we go for Sancho. If Ole sees Greenwood as the RW for the future then no Sancho.
Sancho can and does play on the left at times but Rashford isn’t going anywhere.
For me, I say develop Greenwood at CF now and bring in Sancho. Diallo and Pellistri will get their minutes too.
Sancho can and does play on the left at times but Rashford isn’t going anywhere.
For me, I say develop Greenwood at CF now and bring in Sancho. Diallo and Pellistri will get their minutes too.
People tend to forget that Grealish is almost 5 years older, right in his prime. If we get him (we won’t), in two years we can start to think when to cash in on him without losing much of hos value. Sancho would be a long term solution, but even if he will want a transfer in five years we can sell him for good money.
If buying Rice as you say would make Shaw and Bissaka more defensive to give us more solidity at the back I don't see that as a problem given that both are one of the best left and right backs defensively. We also don't necessarily have to play Rice Pogba Bruno in every game. Just like we didn't when Matic Pogba and Bruno where our go to midfield three in the restartast season
As for getting Sancho. Anybody that isn't blinded by Greenwood playing ST at the academy can see that Greenwood can grow into a very good RW so I'm not so bothered if we don't get Sancho. But if we do get him I think the main player that will be affected is James as he would go down the pecking order based on quality. Diallo can be loaned out. Cavani doesn't need to feature much given his age. And Greenwood Rashford and Martial can play at least two roles across the front three
cheeky meal deal.
At least a 3 for 2 offer in the current climate
My worries summed up perfectly. He has his risks.
I’m a big fan of Sancho, but 12 months on, I just don’t see how he fits in at United now.
I get the impression that many want him and are almost annoying or dismissing certain things as minor inconveniences or something, but certain questions and facts can’t just be swept under the carpet.
First is the fact that Sancho isn’t a natural right winger. He indeed can play on the right, but he is certainly more natural on the left.
Secondly, he is what, a year older than Mason Greenwood. For a start, it’s almost impossible to extrapolate his Bundesliga stats and assume that they immediately translate into anything better than what Mason is producing now. And then, even if you do that, time is continuous, and Greenwood himself is now far behind, maybe a year. We’re not talking about say, Anthony Elanga or something. This is someone who has over 50 appearances in the first team. He’s no ordinary ‘young player’, he’s a first team player. He’s a first team player who currently plays on the right of the attack, more naturally than Sancho I would argue.
Then there is his most natural position. Rashford seems first choice on the left, and would need to break his leg for Ole to not pick him. Then there is the Paul Pogba situation. Ole will also pick him if he is here and he is fit. Like it or not, he is not going to be some sort of squad player. He will play either in the centre of midfield or from the left. Rashford ‘could’ play upfront, however, he will not realistically play there ahead of Cavani and proposed new striker, whether he is signed this summer or next.
Assuming Sancho comes in as the first choice right winger as is suggested, then Greenwood becomes a sub. He is also an option centrally of course, where people are also asking for a new striker to go with the other senior strikers we have. He can rotate with Greenwood of course, which then leads to my next question:
The club has made a long term decision and huge investment in Amad Diallo. It’s easy to say ‘he’s not ready yet’, but you don’t keep piling players in the same role who are all in and around the same age in order to bridge a gap of what? A year, two years max. The club can’t just sign £40m wingers with no plan to integrate them. Diallo behind Greenwood makes sense, with him increasing his workload next season to provide cover, behind a 20 year old Greenwood who will be in his third full senior season and able to be first choice.
Sancho, Greenwood and Diallo doesn’t work as right sided options for me. They are all within 30 months of each other, and all requiring of minutes to develop. Even if you say ‘send Diallo on loan for a year’. Yea, and then what? In the near future, within 2 seasons probably, you will be in a place where you have all 3 ready and able to really contribute on the right, all aged between 20 and 23. The way I see it, like it or not, we have chosen our winger when we signed Diallo. It was a choice not to go for the most immediate route, but instead play a longer game, which means the right wing being a rotational/covered position for the next couple of years.
I get the impression that many want him and are almost annoying or dismissing certain things as minor inconveniences or something, but certain questions and facts can’t just be swept under the carpet.
First is the fact that Sancho isn’t a natural right winger. He indeed can play on the right, but he is certainly more natural on the left.
Secondly, he is what, a year older than Mason Greenwood. For a start, it’s almost impossible to extrapolate his Bundesliga stats and assume that they immediately translate into anything better than what Mason is producing now. And then, even if you do that, time is continuous, and Greenwood himself is now far behind, maybe a year. We’re not talking about say, Anthony Elanga or something. This is someone who has over 50 appearances in the first team. He’s no ordinary ‘young player’, he’s a first team player. He’s a first team player who currently plays on the right of the attack, more naturally than Sancho I would argue.
Then there is his most natural position. Rashford seems first choice on the left, and would need to break his leg for Ole to not pick him. Then there is the Paul Pogba situation. Ole will also pick him if he is here and he is fit. Like it or not, he is not going to be some sort of squad player. He will play either in the centre of midfield or from the left. Rashford ‘could’ play upfront, however, he will not realistically play there ahead of Cavani and proposed new striker, whether he is signed this summer or next.
Assuming Sancho comes in as the first choice right winger as is suggested, then Greenwood becomes a sub. He is also an option centrally of course, where people are also asking for a new striker to go with the other senior strikers we have. He can rotate with Greenwood of course, which then leads to my next question:
The club has made a long term decision and huge investment in Amad Diallo. It’s easy to say ‘he’s not ready yet’, but you don’t keep piling players in the same role who are all in and around the same age in order to bridge a gap of what? A year, two years max. The club can’t just sign £40m wingers with no plan to integrate them. Diallo behind Greenwood makes sense, with him increasing his workload next season to provide cover, behind a 20 year old Greenwood who will be in his third full senior season and able to be first choice.
Sancho, Greenwood and Diallo doesn’t work as right sided options for me. They are all within 30 months of each other, and all requiring of minutes to develop. Even if you say ‘send Diallo on loan for a year’. Yea, and then what? In the near future, within 2 seasons probably, you will be in a place where you have all 3 ready and able to really contribute on the right, all aged between 20 and 23. The way I see it, like it or not, we have chosen our winger when we signed Diallo. It was a choice not to go for the most immediate route, but instead play a longer game, which means the right wing being a rotational/covered position for the next couple of years.
Well said. You forgot Pellistri btw Personally I want Sancho but I'm not arsed if we don't get him because Greenwood is already playing well at RW. And I'd like to see what Diallo can do there. It's funny when people say Greenwood should play in his natural position ST and we should get Sancho to play RW whose natural position is LW. If Greenwood isn't considered as RW then Sancho shouldn't
I still want Sancho because he looks too much of a United player and he's quality but I understand the question marks about whether he can translate his quality in the PL.
I wouldn't want us to get Sancho at the expense of other positions that are more impactful. We don't have a DM and if there's a top CB available we need to snap him up because they are becoming rare
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Curious why you think he will succeed outside the Buli when other Dortmund system players like Kagawa, Mkhi, Sahin haven't. He has never really performed for England either.
I think Cavani staying, and Bailly renewing means we won’t go for a striker or a CB.
Sancho makes a lot of sense. He can play across the front 3.
Rashford, Bruno, Cavani, Pogba, Sancho, Greenwood & Amad as options across the front 4, with someone like Hannibal/Shoretire/Elanga/Pellistri providing depth and a chance to break through.
The above players can basically all play across the front 4 as well.
Move on Martial, James, Mata, Lingard & Chong.
Sancho makes a lot of sense. He can play across the front 3.
Rashford, Bruno, Cavani, Pogba, Sancho, Greenwood & Amad as options across the front 4, with someone like Hannibal/Shoretire/Elanga/Pellistri providing depth and a chance to break through.
The above players can basically all play across the front 4 as well.
Move on Martial, James, Mata, Lingard & Chong.
Because he's a top talent with all the quality and has been delivering despite being only a kid. Which other player delivers like that?
And because you're picking random names with completely disparate stories behind them and use them to make up a nonsensical notion and narrative ("system players" who can't perform anywhere else).
What system?
So you have no answers exceptBecause he's a top talent with all the quality and has been delivering despite being only a kid. Which other player delivers like that?
And because you're picking random names with completely disparate stories behind them and use them to make up a nonsensical notion and narrative ("system players" who can't perform anywhere else).
What system?
Classic.
It wasn't an answer, it was a question - what system?So you have no answers except
Classic.
Think this is an excellent post and I concur. I think a much more likely and sensible scenario is for us to spend handsomely on a striker or a DM. If it’s the striker position, you keep Rashford on the left. If it’s a DM, you push Rashford up front to rotate with Cavani, and move Pogba to the left. Playing Bruno, a specialist DM and one of Fred, Mctominay or VdB as the 8.
For me Greenwood is close to Sancho’s level already, with the added benefit of being from our own academy and accruing a lot of PL experience. I have a great degree of confidence that Greenwood would be putting up Sancho numbers in the BL. Meanwhile Diallo was brought in for an initial 19m, rising to 40m, which is no small outlay. I would say he’ll be in serious first team contention next season as a rotational squad player, and will have every opportunity to play himself into the side.
A DM will have a much greater impact on the team, because it will improve our ability to defend, and improve our transition from defence to attack. Ideally we want someone with incisive long range passing. Personally I like Fred a lot as a number 8. He doesn’t have the penetration of McTominay but I think he gets through his work rate with more focus and has a more precise interpretation of his game. McTominay has spirit, heart and determination, he also carries a good goal threat from deep, and is a wonderful player to have in the squad. My main issue with him is that he constantly exceeds his own ability with his attempts at passing. Fred isn’t the best passer but I feel he reflects acknowledgement of that with the range he attempts. McT hits a lot of long and cross field balls which very often are inaccurate and cede possession.
A modern era Carrick would be ideal. A player with positioning, press resistance, and passing range. Bruno and Fred would cover all the ground in front of him. I am a big fan of Declan Rice, although I don’t feel he has that type of passing range. Nevertheless, he is positionally excellent and is adept at moving the ball on quickly.
This is the missing link in our team.
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That's less than what Maguire cost and around what Lukaku cost us from Everton
Fans are deluded if they think the Glazers are going to sanction any big money signings this summer.
I do agree somewhat with what @Rozay has posted above, which isn't a surprise due to him being a excellent poster.
But where I differ is that I'd still want us to sign him as the LWF option to provide competition for places and I believe he has the ability/potential to be our long term option in the role. Strength in depth is also required and Sancho's versatility would provide tactical flexibility whereby he could potentially be deployed in several roles. (LWF, SS, RWF)
But where I differ is that I'd still want us to sign him as the LWF option to provide competition for places and I believe he has the ability/potential to be our long term option in the role. Strength in depth is also required and Sancho's versatility would provide tactical flexibility whereby he could potentially be deployed in several roles. (LWF, SS, RWF)
Shirt sponsors are unhappy over declining shirt sales, protests are creating bad PR in the eyes of shareholders and other sponsors plus fans are angry
Could be they'll go for a player like Sancho to take shirt sales back up to the roof and get fans inside
We offered over £80m last summer so a fee of €85m with a part being waivered by add ons is more than doable and not really "Big money"
Unless they plan to see this summer then it would be incredibly poor business if they don't.
Should just lock this in immidiately.
Maybe BVB want to make the deal before they’ll know about CL qualification , so they dont risk having to further reduce.
It was incredibly poor business to only sign Michael Owen on a free and Antonio Valencia the summer we sold Ronaldo. It was incredibly poor business to only sign Fred after we finished second under Mourinho.
The Glazers have a history of incredibly poor business when it comes to signings.
Im not sure about the amount we can spend this summer, but i do think that we have a lack of creativity from our wide positions. Most games we are attacking sides trying to break them down, and someone like Jadon can open teams up. If we can turn some of the dropped points at home to the likes of Sheffield, Palace etc... it would do wonders to our points tally.
It also works when we are playing the better teams and counter attacking. We tend to be wasteful and this would add a dimension to our attack.
Add him and a DM and i think we can challenge for every trophy next year (assuming we keep Pogba and Cavani as well).
It also works when we are playing the better teams and counter attacking. We tend to be wasteful and this would add a dimension to our attack.
Add him and a DM and i think we can challenge for every trophy next year (assuming we keep Pogba and Cavani as well).
Simple solution is play the form players. If that means dropping Rashford then so be it.
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