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Lots of talk about Bengal I see. I am a resident bengali from a small city in Bengal. People are relieved to see BJP has lost. However, TMC is not a great party. It doesn't work to create jobs for common people. However, it has done enough for absolute poor people to help secure their votes. As far violence, WB always face violence pre and post poll and it is not new this time. The political leaders are absolutely horrible here, and sadly it seems to continue this time also. I would say, the lesser of the two evils have won, but it is still evil who has been victorious.
 

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Absolutely no news anywhere about gangrapes or any other sexual violence in WB.
 

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Violence is violence and should be condemned without a footnote saying that other side would be worse.
That doesn't mean you'll start posting possibly fake gaslighting tweets on this thread claiming mass rapes are happening. This thread will turn into a family WhatsApp group then.
 

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Delhi election Feb’20: BJP loses, mass violence
Bihar Election Nov’20: BJP with allies wins, no violence
WB Election May’21: BJP loses, violence again

Anyone sees the common denominator?
 

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Yeah, still doesn't explain that your first responses to reports of violence and gangrapes are - its expected and / or those are false rumours.

Stop moving the goalposts guys.

I'm out. No desire to engage further.
Take a breath and read my post. Nowhere have I said that these are fake reports or that the violence is the way forward
 

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That doesn't mean you'll start posting possibly fake gaslighting tweets on this thread claiming mass rapes are happening. This thread will turn into a family WhatsApp group then.
Shame on people like you. The hypocrisy is astounding.

Violence should be condemned and yet here you are with your whataboutery.

How do you guys sleep at night with such a conscience?
 

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Delhi election Feb’20: BJP loses, mass violence
Bihar Election Nov’20: BJP with allies wins, no violence
WB Election May’21: BJP loses, violence again

Anyone sees the common denominator?
BJP does organise violence but thats before the polls. Gujrat, Muzaffarnagar before UP election, Delhi elections etc.
This is the doing of the liberal saviour Mamta an absolute cnut of the highest order.
 

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Take a breath and read my post. Nowhere have I said that these are fake reports or that the violence is the way forward
Not you anant. But you waded in to posts by others, which sadly includes crw. Even now in this thread you can see the deflections in full force.

Someone who condemens the Delhi riots should condemn the Bengal violence too. But some on here are openly justifying violence, some are saying its fake, and some others are adding disclaimers or riders saying that it was expected.
 

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Shame on people like you. The hypocrisy is astounding.

Violence should be condemned and yet here you are with your whataboutery.

How do you guys sleep at night with such a conscience?
Hypocrisy? Asking for fake news to be removed from this thread is me condoning violence? What the feck is wrong with you? I dont care what happened to you in the past that doesn't give you the right to be a rude cnut to everyone.
 
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You can condemn violence of all sorts and dissemination of fake propaganda as well. I don't see how it is one or the other.

The BJP IT Cell is infamous for a reason.
 

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Hypocrisy? Asking for fake news to be removed from this thread is me condoning violence? What the feck is wrong with you? I dont care what happened to you in the past that doesn't give you the right to be a rude cnut to everyone.
Nothing is wrong with me. Nor am I being a rude cnut to you. You are insinuating that the violence is fake news. Based on a tweet from a politically aligned person. Who is of course going to deny that violence is happening.

During the Delhi riots there were some people who were saying its fake. How did you feel then?

Violence is violence. It has no place full stop.

I know what's going on in the ground because I am facing it, despite not being politically aligned to anyone

As I said, guys like you selectively condone violence by trivialising it or questioning its authenticity based on political alignment.

This is hypocrisy of the highest order
Live with your conscience and I pray that you never get to feel the heat.

People who turn a blind eye to others suffering get a rude shock when they are the receiving end.
 

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Nothing is wrong with me. Nor am I being a rude cnut to you. You are insinuating that the violence is fake news. Based on a tweet from a politically aligned person. Who is of course going to deny that violence is happening.

During the Delhi riots there were some people who were saying its fake. How did you feel then?

Violence is violence. It has no place full stop.

I know what's going on in the ground because I am facing it, despite not being politically aligned to anyone

As I said, guys like you selectively condone violence by trivialising it or questioning its authenticity based on political alignment.

This is hypocrisy of the highest order
Live with your conscience and I pray that you never get to feel the heat.

People who turn a blind eye to others suffering get a rude shock when they are the receiving end.
Where have I said the violence is fake news?
The violence is being covered everywhere.
I'm saying the reports of the mass gangrapes are false. Even RW pages arent reporting any thing of that sort. People on Twitter with the Indian flag in their names and with hashtags like Presidents rule in Bengal are not to be trusted.

Yeah because BJP's entire strategy is posting false claims on twitter. Doesn't it make sense folks would be more cautious about tweets from a BJP? Thats not hypocrisy that is common sense.

As I've said before its fecking tragic what is happening and Mamta is a cnut. Dont know why you're acting like I'm cheering TMC on.
 

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Absolutely no news anywhere about gangrapes or any other sexual violence in WB.
Please stop using him as "news source". He is as big a propaganda machine as BJP.

Right now there are allegations of two gangrape that is shared by local news reporter as well. And sexual violence by that mob isn't suprising considering the visual that is coming out of Bengal. A lot of them won't get even reported. Don't normalise atleast sexual violence. That tweet doesn't mean anything as he is just sharing his opinion.

Let's take a step back here and realise every political party in India is full of cnuts and most "workers" of these political party are goons. BJP has the highest amount no doubt about that but in Bengal, TMC is way above any political party.
 

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Lots of talk about Bengal I see. I am a resident bengali from a small city in Bengal. People are relieved to see BJP has lost. However, TMC is not a great party. It doesn't work to create jobs for common people. However, it has done enough for absolute poor people to help secure their votes. As far violence, WB always face violence pre and post poll and it is not new this time. The political leaders are absolutely horrible here, and sadly it seems to continue this time also. I would say, the lesser of the two evils have won, but it is still evil who has been victorious.
That is you and probably few others who post here would feel. A lot of people who choose BJP also choose them for the same reason.
That's the sad reality of this country. It's easier to comment on "what average Indian voter" care about by reading few articles from their favourite news organization. The truth is most are clueless about what people are facing on daily basis and why people prefer political party that they prefer. I lived through the 90's in Bihar and have witnessed the political violence unleased by these so called secular party. Demographic shift hardly impacts any of us while it's a reality for a huge part of this country. It's not a black and white choice as people who post here make it sound like.

It's easier to just call anyone who isnt left leaning Hindu or other religion as brainwashed as I saw one poster doing. The reality is much more complicated. This thread despite raising a lot of valid points drifts in biased territory because the poster here just care about being anti BJP and characterize everyone who vote for them as fascist which couldn't be further from truth.
 

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Please stop using him as "news source". He is as big a propaganda machine as BJP.

Right now there are allegations of two gangrape that is shared by local news reporter as well. And sexual violence by that mob isn't suprising considering the visual that is coming out of Bengal. A lot of them won't get even reported. Don't normalise atleast sexual violence. That tweet doesn't mean anything as he is just sharing his opinion.

Let's take a step back here and realise every political party in India is full of cnuts and most "workers" of these political party are goons. BJP has the highest amount no doubt about that but in Bengal, TMC is way above any political party.
I would have given you a like if I could. This is the sad reality at least in west bengal.
 

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Please stop using him as "news source". He is as big a propaganda machine as BJP.

Right now there are allegations of two gangrape that is shared by local news reporter as well. And sexual violence by that mob isn't suprising considering the visual that is coming out of Bengal. A lot of them won't get even reported. Don't normalise atleast sexual violence. That tweet doesn't mean anything as he is just sharing his opinion.

Let's take a step back here and realise every political party in India is full of cnuts and most "workers" of these political party are goons. BJP has the highest amount no doubt about that but in Bengal, TMC is way above any political party.
It is and no one will disagree with you here.

It's just that there is so much propaganda, fake and manipulated news that has been shared by the BJP leaders, that its hard to believe anything they say. Having said that, any violence cannot and should not be normalized. I hope whoever the culprits may be are caught and punished.

We need our media to stop pitting the parties against each other in the ridiculous debate formats every single day and question every such instance from the lens of a citizen.
 

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Unbelievable that asking not to post unverified tweets from the right wing ecosystem has triggered so many of you.
 

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Left wing ecosystem propaganda is permitted but apparently shocking visuals from Twitter account you don't like isn't. Got it.

One suggestion let's rename it to "India political thread but only propaganda news from Left wing ecosystem is permitted".
Ah yes the famous left wing IT cell which are paid to make hateful hashtags trend on Twitter literally everyday. How can I forgot about those.
 

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Hence, most people are waiting for the correct information before condemning TMC or BJP or whoever responsible for any sort of violence perpetrating in Bengal.
 

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Wouldn't be surprised if BJP implements Presidents rule in Bengal. Bhakts in my timeline are going crazy. Todays PrimeTime news will be interesting. Expect Godi media to go full communal today.
 

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Wouldn't be surprised if BJP implements Presidents rule in Bengal. Bhakts in my timeline are going crazy. Todays PrimeTime news will be interesting. Expect Godi media to go full communal today.
As long as there's people willing to blindly lap up the propaganda, this will remain the MO for BJP.

There is now no question that some TMC supporters, like they've historically been accused of, have committed acts of violence against BJP post the election-wins. There is no excusing this, and they should identified and punished. But there is also no question that many BJP supporters, the media lackeys and senior spokespersons have latched on to this as an opportunity to exaggerate and spread fake news against the party itself in order to incite emotions and further violence. The clear evidence of a widespread campaign indiciates the usual involvement of higher-ups.

You can replace Bengal and TMC with <RANDOM STATE> and <RANDOM_STATE_OPPOSITION_PARTY_WHO_WON> and the narrative will be exactly the same. I have personally witnessed this with Telangana and TRS.
 

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Right on cue. Where was such concern from Governors when BJP were the agitators in other states? Heck, even the judiciary turned a blind eye to people like Piyush Goyal.

Go through his timeline, and you'll see the clear bias. Not a word of condemnation against Modi or Shah for their roadshow boasts, but 'concern' when it is alleged violence by TMC. Again, before the usual faux outrage breaks out - not condoning the violence. I hope it is punished.

What ought to be very concerning here is the ease with which all cogs of democracy sway to BJP whenever Modi needs them to. Governors, SCs, Media, EC. I will not say the f word, it has been used before.
 

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A bit telling the PM has expressed anguish and concern towards vandalism while turning a blind eye towards the disaster engulfing the entire country.
 

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Not suprising considering they had abandoned contract tracing for 3-4 months. No follow up after putting them in home isolation. People giving incorrect contact details for test. Apartments which were put in containment zone refusing to cooperate. People roaming on street wearing food delivery or construction worker attire. It's a mess here.
 

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Not suprising considering they had abandoned contract tracing for 3-4 months. No follow up after putting them in home isolation. People giving incorrect contact details for test. Apartments which were put in containment zone refusing to cooperate. People roaming on street wearing food delivery or construction worker attire. It's a mess here.
Yes, big mess out here. Wouldn't surprise me if we see scenes much worse than Delhi, in a week or so. Already seeing multiple reports of hospitals running out of oxygen.
 

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Yes, big mess out here. Wouldn't surprise me if we see scenes much worse than Delhi, in a week or so. Already seeing multiple reports of hospitals running out of oxygen.
Delhi would get reported at least because it is state capital, English/Hindi media focusses very much on Delhi.
Bengaluru is going to get ignored , especially if the state govt doesn't want information to be out.