No.1 for next season - De Gea or Henderson?

[OhGee]

True, but it's the card dealt and he's not to blame for his transfer fee.

Yeah but his English (like Henderson) so let’s take the focus away from him.

 

[lex talionis]

If Dave wants to go and a club found willing take his wages, he should go. He’s earned the right to control his own destiny.

That aside, if Dave does go we need to be prepared to take a step backward in the short run for a big pay out in the long run.

 

[AKDevil]

Genuine question as only able to see highlights. Since Henderson got in, conceded more than once in three games, De Gea being goal for two of them. Defensively looked a mess yesterday. Is there a correlation? Or was it the changes/foot off the gas due to lead? Things feel a bit more chaotic in our box with De Gea there. Made a big number of saves but I’d expect my goalkeeper to make the ones I saw. Maybe in the moment they felt better.

 

[11101]

Genuine question as only able to see highlights. Since Henderson got in, conceded more than once in three games, De Gea being goal for two of them. Defensively looked a mess yesterday. Is there a correlation? Or was it the changes/foot off the gas due to lead. Things feel a bit more chaotic in our box with De Gea there. Made a big number of saves but I’d expect my goalkeeper to make the ones I saw. Maybe in the moment they felt better.

Hard to say why but I also feel like our goal gets peppered with shots when De Gea is in there. Some of our defending was comical.

 

[giggs-beckham]

Do we start with Henderson for the final? We conceded 3 and De Gea had to make numerous saves. We seem like a much more organised defensive unit with Henderson in there.

 

[AKDevil]

Do we start with Henderson for the final? We conceded 3 and De Gea had to make numerous saves. We seem like a much more organised defensive unit with Henderson in there.

it’s harsh but I think we start with Henderson.

 

[SalfordRed18]

Yeah but his English (like Henderson) so let’s take the focus away from him.

What are you on about?

 

[Nytram Shakes]

De Gea is the better shot-stopper without question. Henderson is a lot quicker in his line, which is really helpful considering the lack of pace of our centre backs.

For me, i'd probably play Henderson. I think he is a better long term option. Also, I don't think we have to worry about De Gea leaving, he is the higest paid goalkeeper in world football so no one is going to match his contract.

 

[Dembeza]

Do we start with Henderson for the final? We conceded 3 and De Gea had to make numerous saves. We seem like a much more organised defensive unit with Henderson in there.

Can we also include context.
3/4 in defence are not starters.
Mcto was not there to shield the defence.

That is the reason we were a mess, not De Gea.

 

[Red_toad]

Can we also include context.
3/4 in defence are not starters.
Mcto was not there to shield the defence.

That is the reason we were a mess, not De Gea.

So which of the 5 were not a fifth? AWB, Harry and Shaw started the match so not sure where these 1/4's are coming from?

Starting XI: De Gea, Wan-Bissaka, Bailly, Maguire, Shaw and our goal was peppered with shots throughout the match.

 

[Dembeza]

So which of the 5 were not a fifth? AWB, Harry and Shaw started the match so not sure where these 1/4's are coming from?

Starting XI: De Gea, Wan-Bissaka, Bailly, Maguire, Shaw and our goal was peppered with shots throughout the match.

We conceded our goals in the second half after Shaw and AWB were removed, Lindelof was not playing. The only consistent person on that back line was Maguire.

Strikers were getting a free run on De Gea, I don’t see how he is to blame for that.

 

[Gator Nate]

Genuine question as only able to see highlights. Since Henderson got in, conceded more than once in three games, De Gea being goal for two of them. Defensively looked a mess yesterday. Is there a correlation? Or was it the changes/foot off the gas due to lead? Things feel a bit more chaotic in our box with De Gea there. Made a big number of saves but I’d expect my goalkeeper to make the ones I saw. Maybe in the moment they felt better.

Yeah, we went into the game with a four-goal lead and we went into the second half with a five-goal lead, which is when Williams and Telles subbed in for AWB and Shaw. Oh, and Roma did show up to play.

Defensively, we were a mess, but especially when the back line was Williams-Bailly-Maguire-Telles. But what's wrong with that picture? Combined with DeGea, that's four backups out of five.

So it wasn't just DeGea, but I'd wager that with Henderson in there directing traffic, we might have had a stronger... everything. DeGea just stands there waiting for the ball, where he's really good at getting it. Dean doesn't have to make great saves because he actively takes part in making sure the ball doesn't get to him in the first place. And even when that doesn't work, he's proven himself a pretty good shot-stopper.

For all the pre-match discussion about how much Ole should swap out, and some of the complaints about not resting players in the starting lineup... you see what happened in the second half. But that wasn't all - VdB was in there in an offensive role where McTominay would have been slightly more defensive.

 

[Red_toad]

We conceded our goals in the second half after Shaw and AWB were removed, Lindelof was not playing. The only consistent person on that back line was Maguire.

Strikers were getting a free run on De Gea, I don’t see how he is to blame for that.

We were cut to pieces many times in the first half, lack of organisation throughout the team. Not quarters in that. To remove Dave from any responsibility of any goals conceded isn't correct, he is part of a defence and sat on his line throughout the game, our defence always looks better with Henderson, so obviously who is in goal has an effect. Dave had a very good game stopping shot and was very fortunate with some of them, as they were basically blasted right at him.

 

[sullydnl]

Genuine question as only able to see highlights. Since Henderson got in, conceded more than once in three games, De Gea being goal for two of them. Defensively looked a mess yesterday. Is there a correlation? Or was it the changes/foot off the gas due to lead? Things feel a bit more chaotic in our box with De Gea there. Made a big number of saves but I’d expect my goalkeeper to make the ones I saw. Maybe in the moment they felt better.

It had nothing to do with De Gea.

We were conceding chances because the entire team was playing poorly, not just the defence which De Gea is apparently entirely responsible for organising. Having Henderson standing in goal wouldn't have magically made all the outfield players up their game in a tie they were four goals ahead in.

Then we took our first choice fullbacks off at half time. Which reflects both how much weaker we were in the second half and the sort of first half we had just had.

People have a pre-existing narrative in their head that Henderson prevents more chances than De Gea, so they're reflexively pointing to De Gea as the problem because we conceded a lot of chances. That doesn't reflect what actually happened in the game though.

Tellingly, Redcafe is literally the only place I've seen anyone downplaying or criticising aspects of De Gea's performance yesterday, which was roundly praised. Some posters here would be spouting this narrative/agenda even if they hadn't seen the game.

 

[RUCK4444]

I have said from the outset that an in form De Gea is the best result we can hope for in this conundrum.

I like Henderson, is he ever going to be as good as De Gea can be? Doubtful.

The only thing people can say Henderson is better at is the sweeper keeper role, coming off your line.
I’m adamant that can be taught to a player like De Gea if that’s what Ole wants in his keeper.

 

[Judas]

I just don't remember watching us with Henderson in goal having so many shots needing to be saved? I'm sure they've happened, and my minds just letting me down. But seeing us look shambolic and De Gea facing shot after shot just seems to happen quite often. Maybe it was due to the whole setup of the game, the tie being over, weaker defence, added to the off balanced look of how we played. Either way we looked a mess back there.

 

[AKDevil]

I just don't remember watching us with Henderson in goal having so many shots needing to be saved? I'm sure they've happened, and my minds just letting me down. But seeing us look shambolic and De Gea facing shot after shot just seems to happen quite often. Maybe it was due to the whole setup of the game, the tie being over, weaker defence, added to the off balanced look of how we played. Either way we looked a mess back there.

That was my sense but admittedly from highlights alone, I appreciate. Looked chaotic back there!

 

[Threesus]

There is no way back for DeGea with some fans, huh. Like, the fb’s and midfield were so shite yesterday. I don’t see how De Gea shouting could have prevented those those chances.

He epitomizes the quote “you die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain”.

After all the clowns he had to put up with during the majority of his time here, I hope he wins the EL and leaves on a high note.

 

[mitchmouse]

Ole needs to decide DDG is going to be sold in the summer - if so, Hendo to start for me. I just don't see DDG regaining the form he showed three or four years ago while Hendo just seems to give those in front of him more confidence. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see David start

 

[redmanx]

Do we start with Henderson for the final? We conceded 3 and De Gea had to make numerous saves. We seem like a much more organised defensive unit with Henderson in there.

Henderson does have more command in his own area and is more dominant in coming for the ball whereas DDG relies more on his reflexes. Im sure Hendersons style inspires more confidence in the defence and its shown in our recent games. So I'd like to see Henderson as #1 from this moment; it means DDG will leave, his huge wages cannot be justified if hes #2 keeper but hes been a fantastic servant of the club and deserves nothing but our praise and thanks, and a nice little testimonial later.

 

[Bebestation]

Some view De Gea as one of the best players yesterday

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But watching that performance made me love the fact that he has been dropped for Henderson.

Less magical saves and a bit more of an imposing goalkeeper in our box.

 

[sullydnl]

Some view De Gea as one of the best players yesterday

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But watching that performance made me love the fact that he has been dropped for Henderson.

Less magical saves and a bit more of an imposing goalkeeper in our box.

"Some".

He was quite clearly one of the best players yesterday, which is why he has been roundly praised everywhere outside of the deepest parts of United forums, where idiots and agenda-posters dwell.

Normally I'd be more balanced about people having subjective opinions but if someone doesn't think De Gea was one of the best performers yesterday, then they are stupid.

 

[Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell]

United are on the cusp of really challenging for the title next season. De Gea's experience in title campaigns will be valuable. Definitely should be our number 1 next season imo.

This is right for the club. If Henderson is such a United fan and loves the club as much as he said then he won't mind playing 2nd fiddle or going on loan for 1 more year.

 

[SadlerMUFC]

De Gea made a lot of really good reaction saves yesterday. Others just happened to hit him. But he was in the right place at the right time so credit to him. But if any of those went in, chances are we would be saying "he should have saved that". So while De Gea deservedly got MOTM yesterday, for the most part they were saves I'd expect a top keeper to make. But here's the thing...how many of those chances even happen if Henderson is in goal? How many games has Henderson earned a 6/10 because "he didn't really have much to do"? I'd also say that Ole made a mistake making that many changes to our defense at half time. I get wanting to rest players and give others a run, but that's too many changes to the back 4. I don't like making back four subs in a game unless it needs to happen. If Ole wanted to give a youngster a run at half time, then give Diallo a run. Keep that back 4 just as it is and maybe change it up later on in the half...

 

[Carl]

it’s harsh but I think we start with Henderson.

De Gea will start. 100%.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

United are on the cusp of really challenging for the title next season. De Gea's experience in title campaigns will be valuable. Definitely should be our number 1 next season imo.

This is right for the club. If Henderson is such a United fan and loves the club as much as he said then he won't mind playing 2nd fiddle or going on loan for 1 more year.

Henderson will not accept going on loan. That’s a non starter. Being a fan of the club should have nothing to do with it.

it’s all down to DDG I think. OGS won’t guarantee he will be no 1 anymore, and Henderson is currently in possession of the jersey. If DDG wants to stay and fight, I think we are comfortable with the same situation next year, but reversed with Henderson starting at no 1.

 

[Bebestation]

"Some".

He was quite clearly one of the best players yesterday, which is why he has been roundly praised everywhere outside of the deepest parts of United forums, where idiots and agenda-posters dwell.

Normally I'd be more balanced about people having subjective opinions but if someone doesn't think De Gea was one of the best performers yesterday, then they are stupid.

No I think he had a great performance, I just prefer the more whole rounded approach to goalkeeping.

It was back to watching magical saves from the touchline.

It's good for me that we have moved on from that.

 

[suheilsworld]

I see our CB and midfield more composed when dean is playing. He’s more vocal and I sense better at organizing defense.

 

[Bebestation]

I see our CB and midfield more composed when dean is playing. He’s more vocal and I sense better at organizing defense.

This is what I'm saying.

I wouldn't say its neccerialy about being vocal, but the defenders feel like they play with another defender behind them that can come out and be a valuable player that can get down and dirty when he does so.

De Gea is the best reflex goalkeeper I have ever seen, but it always feels like that and not much else.

 

[stw2022]

One off performances don't mask the fact that for me there's been a decline in De Gea these last couple of seasons. He's still excellent and probably a better keeper than Henderson but they're on very different trajectories. Important thing with Henderson is to have the same patience as Fergie had with De Gea in those early years. Anyone who doesn't expect him to drop clangers and look like a fish out of water over the next two or three seasons is in for a shock

 

[bsCallout]

The post game interviews gave me the impression that everyone already knows he is off in the summer. Wondered if any else thought the same?

 

[gerdm07]

Henderson is number 1 without hesitation....because DDG hesitates when coming off his line. This will not go away and defenders hate this in keepers.

 

[AbusementPark]

Have to agree to a certain extent, with Henderson in nets he allows the defence to push further up the field as he patrols the box a lot better and is faster to come off his line, reducing the pressure the team is under.
On the other hand De Gea had a blinder of a game, the saves he made were sensational and helped massively and he deserves to start the final.

 

[alexthelion]

I agree. But for what we paid to get Maguire, and the fact he is captain, you’d hope he was capable of getting his defenders on the same page.

Yet VDS organised his defence so well which had far better players. Why did he need to do so?

 

[alexthelion]

Yeah but his English (like Henderson) so let’s take the focus away from him.

His what is English?

 

[alexthelion]

We conceded our goals in the second half after Shaw and AWB were removed, Lindelof was not playing. The only consistent person on that back line was Maguire.

Strikers were getting a free run on De Gea, I don’t see how he is to blame for that.

And de Gea who, as we all know, couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, let alone the defence in front of him.

 

[Threesus]

I am hoping Henderson will develop into a keeper that is considered amongst the 3 best GK’s in the world, because anything other than that means we would have failed to adequately replace DDG.

He certainly has no shortage of confidence, will be interesting to see if he can back it up on the pitch. Next season is very crucial for him.

 

[SadlerMUFC]

De Gea will start. 100%.

I think so too, but I also thought the same with Romero last season...

 

[MadDogg]

Yeah, too many such statements have been recently posted on here about de Gea. His shot stopping is too amazing to just ignore it, though.

His shot stopping hasn't been amazing for the last three years though. He still pulls off the odd great save (less this season than previously) and obviously had a great match against Roma, but in general there hasn't been anything amazing about his shot stopping for quite some time.

 

[careyj]

DDG has to start in the final as he didnt in 2017 so its only fair.
To my knowledge both keepers get massive money so lets keep both, competition for the jersey is healthy imvho.
Never ever forget that without the heroics of DDG over the years we would be nowhere now, hes my numero uno!