Glazer Statement

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swooshboy said:
Am really not sure what people expected?

Yes, these are just words – actions are what matter. But they have outlined what they will commit to do. If they fail to do so, then they should expect more protests.

But it is mindless to protest towards them taking notice, and then choosing to ignore any response from them because they see it as 'pure PR guff', whilst patting themselves on the back for seeing through it.

I am still yet to see a realistic proposal of who could replace them. People seem to want someone who is prepared to spend £4b of their own money and then not take a penny from the club.

For those who proudly state that they would be happy to see us relegated if it meant seeing the back of the Glazers, I have a few issues with this. Firstly, I do not see how boycotting sponsors because we do not like our owners would make us an attractive proposition for any future potential sponsor. People say that sponsors will come flocking back...but that is nothing more than a hope and a guess. Secondly, there is absolutely no certainty that the next buyer will be any better. and lastly, and absolutely not leastly, if we were to get relegated, what do people think would happen to many of the people employed by the club? People behind the scenes who have worked at Manchester United for years, decades even? I know a number of these people and it is naive to think that all these roles will be maintained if we are relegated. I know the response will be 'but we will bounce right back', but we will suffer an absolutely huge loss of income and this ill have to be met somehow.

I love United, and have done for over 30 years. But I have bigger, more real concerns in my life than who owns Manchester United Football Club. I have not been able to see my kids since August last year because of COVID. My mother was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer this year. I agree that a leveraged buy-out of the cub should not have been allowed. But we are where we are. And we are here because we went public as a company. Ever since then, we became open to investors.

And, there is no guarantee that the next investor will be someone who can afford to spend the sum required to buy us without wanting a return on their investment – whilst be happy handing off all running of the club that they own to someone else. If people know of such a person, then fantastic. But in the absence of such knowledge, I feel that this outreach from the Glazers is one that should be both met, and made clear that they will be held accountable to their words.
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If only there was a "like" function.
 

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I'd love it if the Glazers genuinely didn't realise there was all this bad feeling, and that they've suddenly being shaken into a "ok we;'ll boot a tonneload of wad in and start really showing they care".

But no billionaire could be that criminally naive surely?
 

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Sassy Colin said:
Eh?

And, am I being passionate about this? I just have an open mind.

People have been complaining about the Glazers ever since they took over United.

The supporters have taken a stand and now the owners have recognised it and want to engage.

Don't you think you should give them a chance and see what happens before condemning them?

The bile in this thread is disgusting and embarrassing.
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Nah, you don't. What you do have is a gullible mind.

If the Glazers want people to believe their words, they should start by doing something and then briefing their buddies in the press.

If everyone reacted like you and relented at the first sign of weakness, we'll back in a Super League at this time next year.

So until they take some real, tangible steps and outline how they'll do what they're promising, this is nothing more than a political stunt with a lot of empty, unforceable promises.
 

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Nou_Camp99 said:
This is bigger than the team and 3pts. Jesus wept.

With your attitude of 'well they can't be stopped' Hitler would have walked all over our Army in WWII.

Grow a back bone.
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Use some common sense.

Bring Nazis into it. FFS how low can you get?
 

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Let's ask for them to tart up the ground. Make the B Charlton stand level with the others. Promise and deliver 1 WC talent and a couple of players that will enhance and be better than the players we have every season. Let's scout 18-21 year old talent from around the world and get a couple signed up every season. Put the words football club back on the badge like deadwood Woodward said he was going to 7 years ago and finally pay off the debt over the next 5 years, so the interest payments go into the club.Then we will believe you are sincere.
 

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swooshboy said:
We could get worse.

Can you confirm that we won't?

Of course – any different opinion and suddenly it's the 'you must work for them', or 'Glazer shrill'

Grow up. Try and have a debate, without resorting to tired WW2 examples or falling back on pathetic 'insults'.
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Hear, hear.

As one who has been on the end of this from countless posters, I agree totally.
 

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Nou_Camp99 said:
Like who?

Which other major club has lost that amount of money in last 16 years to non footballing reasons?

They are the worst owners out of any elite European Club by far.
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How many times do you need to be told that, no, they are not, far from it?

You keep repeating this one line as if the more you post it the more true it will become.
 

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Okay here’s the thing. Glazers have taken a lot of money out of the club. But if they are willing to engage then we must too. These guys are master managers of money. They run banks. They know money deeply. If they actually now want to give a feck, let’s hear it out and let’s see how far they’re willing to go.
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Pretty much this. The ball is in our court to call their bluff.

The Glazers have a lot to account for. If this proves to be a Saul of Tarsus who wishes to becomes Paul of Old Trafford, let us give this once chance to realize he can enjoy fabulous wealth and be proper club owners.
 

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Sandikan said:
I'd love it if the Glazers genuinely didn't realise there was all this bad feeling, and that they've suddenly being shaken into a "ok we;'ll boot a tonneload of wad in and start really showing they care".

But no billionaire could be that criminally naive surely?
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I think that may be closer to the truth than many realise. The things that offend us, bar the stadium related stuff, are common practice in the business world. Like debt and tax relief, the dividends. Many fans don't understand that, and I don't say that to justify the offences. They're business people, from a country where sports teams as franchises are thoroughly normal.

I feel it's highly likely that in tandem with the above, they're genuinely ignorant of the depth of bond between heritage, community and football in parts of the world that aren't north America. The recent events certainly involve an element of hoping to change how they think, whether through giving in and selling up, or seeing what we do and they don't.

Unfortunately, the one of them does look a bit slimey and evil, but maybe a lightbulb genuinely has turned on in Joel Glazer's head? We need some actions to see.
 

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red4ever 79 said:
Dear Joel,

Thank you for your letter dated 7th May. Now feck off and get out of our club you parasite and take that pony tail ugly looking brother with you.

Yours sincerley
All the fans Fans without xxxxxx
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That's better.
 

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stw2022 said:
It’s PR speak and the proof will be in the pudding and concrete actions.

But demanding they speak and then when they release a statement insisting you don't want to hear from them is one those 'soft dumb' moments that will gradually erode all but hardcore support from the campaign. I have huge issues with the hardcore element's approach but I think they need to be careful not to be so dogmatic to appear unreasonable. Their own position is precarious. Let's not forget for 15 years by and large the majority of the fans have been, to be generous, begrudgingly willing to tolerate the Glazers. That's not an opinion, it's fact. 15 years and two periods of disturbance that achieved nothing and fizzled out. I think it's optimistic to assume this current antithesis will last forever. Whenever we might think individually, the capacity of United fans to be content with the Glazer family in charge is evidenced by the last 15 years.

To make actual gains and concessions, as much as it'll be a bitter pill to swallow there will have to be some engagement. If there isn't the owners will simply wait for anger to subside, buy off the fans with a big name signing and go back to not talking to us for another 15 years. It's wildly optimistic to think this level of fan anger and engagement will continue so whilst it's here the most needs to be made and concessions and promises need to be won that we can hold them to down the line.

"Shut up you ugly ponytailed wanker" might be cathartic but it'll be letting a once in a lifetime opportunity slip
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Totally.
 

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Sassy Colin said:
Eh?

And, am I being passionate about this? I just have an open mind.

People have been complaining about the Glazers ever since they took over United.

The supporters have taken a stand and now the owners have recognised it and want to engage.

Don't you think you should give them a chance and see what happens before condemning them?

The bile in this thread is disgusting and embarrassing.
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You sound surprised, you really shouldn't be knowing what some of our "fans" are like.
 

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swooshboy said:
Am really not sure what people expected?

Yes, these are just words – actions are what matter. But they have outlined what they will commit to do. If they fail to do so, then they should expect more protests.

But it is mindless to protest towards them taking notice, and then choosing to ignore any response from them because they see it as 'pure PR guff', whilst patting themselves on the back for seeing through it.

I am still yet to see a realistic proposal of who could replace them. People seem to want someone who is prepared to spend £4b of their own money and then not take a penny from the club.

For those who proudly state that they would be happy to see us relegated if it meant seeing the back of the Glazers, I have a few issues with this. Firstly, I do not see how boycotting sponsors because we do not like our owners would make us an attractive proposition for any future potential sponsor. People say that sponsors will come flocking back...but that is nothing more than a hope and a guess. Secondly, there is absolutely no certainty that the next buyer will be any better. and lastly, and absolutely not leastly, if we were to get relegated, what do people think would happen to many of the people employed by the club? People behind the scenes who have worked at Manchester United for years, decades even? I know a number of these people and it is naive to think that all these roles will be maintained if we are relegated. I know the response will be 'but we will bounce right back', but we will suffer an absolutely huge loss of income and this ill have to be met somehow.

I love United, and have done for over 30 years. But I have bigger, more real concerns in my life than who owns Manchester United Football Club. I have not been able to see my kids since August last year because of COVID. My mother was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer this year. I agree that a leveraged buy-out of the cub should not have been allowed. But we are where we are. And we are here because we went public as a company. Ever since then, we became open to investors.

And, there is no guarantee that the next investor will be someone who can afford to spend the sum required to buy us without wanting a return on their investment – whilst be happy handing off all running of the club that they own to someone else. If people know of such a person, then fantastic. But in the absence of such knowledge, I feel that this outreach from the Glazers is one that should be both met, and made clear that they will be held accountable to their words.
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100% Agree
 

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Rightnr said:
Nah, you don't. What you do have is a gullible mind.

If the Glazers want people to believe their words, they should start by doing something and then briefing their buddies in the press.

If everyone reacted like you and relented at the first sign of weakness, we'll back in a Super League at this time next year.

So until they take some real, tangible steps and outline how they'll do what they're promising, this is nothing more than a political stunt with a lot of empty, unforceable promises.
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And you just have a closed mind and won't accept any opinion unless it agrees with yours.

Are you, or are you not, prepared to wait a while and see whether Glazer sticks to his promises?
 

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Rightnr said:
This from the guy who thought people 'deserved' to be punished for protesting. How low can you get?
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FFS how many times do you have to be told?

Read my further post regarding that (and there was an apology, too) before spouting off. Beating the same horse will get you nowhere but I don't expect you to be able to realise that.
 

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Deery said:
That’s pretty reasonable tbf, but I think they’ll keep taking out dividends maybe not at such a high rate though.
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Yes, that a good list of demands. But Ole takes out 7.5 millions, De Gea takes out 19.5 millions. Some dividends most be accepted, as salary.

I, for one, believe the protests actually has made a difference. The letter from Glazer is at this points just words, yes, but I´m actually a bit surprised by how detailed it is and how eager he seems to meet the demands from the fans. Frankly, I was expecting far less - maybe just a short note that he would do his best to work in the interest of the club, or something like that. It will be hard for him to walk away from these promises.
 

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We can either engage and win concessions or we can refuse in the expectation that they'll suddenly sell the club upset at the response, which won't happen, and go back to pretending we stopped watching United in 2006
 

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Actions speak louder than words.

A possible course would be issuing class B shares to fans to raise capital to clear off the debt and/or begin renovation of OT, and in the process diluting their hold on the club, and give the fans part ownership and voice.
 

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Sassy Colin said:
Imagine if he read this thread? Imagine if you were the owner of United and read this thread?

Your reaction would be feck 'em. They have extended an olive branch to the supporters, if this is the reaction from the supporters, then why bother?
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Why buy the club if you didn't want to engage with fans?
 

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The glazers have assets worth 5 billion, but they don't actually have any cash. The only way that they can actually call themselves billionaires is if they sell one of their prized assets. Until they do that, they are just skimming money from the profits. They don't have the cash to pay off the debt or spend hundreds of millions on the stadium or new players.

It's more likely that they'll sell us before Tampa bay buccaneers, as they live in Florida and they aren't despised by the fans of that team. We need to continue to turn the screw on them. Ruin their income from sponsors. Make them sell up and then we can move on from these leaches.
 

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Rightnr said:
Nah, you don't. What you do have is a gullible mind.

If the Glazers want people to believe their words, they should start by doing something and then briefing their buddies in the press.

If everyone reacted like you and relented at the first sign of weakness, we'll back in a Super League at this time next year.

So until they take some real, tangible steps and outline how they'll do what they're promising, this is nothing more than a political stunt with a lot of empty, unforceable promises.
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He wants to engage with the fan's forum, whatever that is, it's a start.
 

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Wheato said:
The glazers have assets worth 5 billion, but they don't actually have any cash. The only way that they can actually call themselves billionaires is if they sell one of their prized assets. Until they do that, they are just skimming money from the profits. They don't have the cash to pay off the debt or spend hundreds of millions on the stadium or new players.

It's more likely that they'll sell us before Tampa bay buccaneers, as they live in Florida and they aren't despised by the fans of that team. We need to continue to turn the screw on them. Ruin their income from sponsors. Make them sell up and then we can move on from these leaches.
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How many innocent people are going to lose their jobs, or doesn't that matter?
 

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Sassy Colin said:
What's that going to do?
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If he by "riot" means breaking into the stadion, we will:

1. hand Liverpool 3 points
2. anger the players and the manager
3. lose sympathy for the protests in general
4. have hell of a party, and get drunk again
 

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FrankDrebin said:
Its OT that concerns me. That is first and foremost the priority, for me.
You can easily shut up a certain section of disgruntled fans with flashy signings.
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I can't see how they can change the ground without tearing parts of it down, and that kind of money will never be spent. This prick is talking about painting the walls and putting in vending machines.
 

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Rightnr said:
Nah, you don't. What you do have is a gullible mind.

If the Glazers want people to believe their words, they should start by doing something and then briefing their buddies in the press.

If everyone reacted like you and relented at the first sign of weakness, we'll back in a Super League at this time next year.

So until they take some real, tangible steps and outline how they'll do what they're promising, this is nothing more than a political stunt with a lot of empty, unforceable promises.
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Nope. Because all clubs aimed to take part in the SL (except Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus):
  • unreservedly acknowledges and accepts the binding nature of the UEFA Statutes
  • remains committed to and will participate in any UEFA Club Competitions each season for which that club qualifies on sporting merit
  • will rejoin the European Club Association, which is the only representative body for clubs that UEFA recognises
  • will take all steps within their power with a view to terminate their involvement in the company established to form and operate the Super League and cease any existing related legal actions
  • as a gesture of goodwill, and together with the other clubs, will make a donation totalling an aggregate of €15 million, to be used for the benefit of children, youth and grassroots football in local communities across Europe, including the UK
  • will be subject to the withholding of 5% of the revenues they would have received from UEFA club competitions for one season, which will be redistributed
  • agree to have substantial fines imposed if they seek to play in such an unauthorised competition (€100 million) or if they breach any other commitment they have entered into in the Club Commitment Declaration (€50 million)
  • will provide individual commitments to UEFA in which all the principles and values set out in the 2019 Memorandum of Understanding between UEFA and the European Club Association are accepted

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/med...egration-measures-for-nine-clubs-involved-in/
 

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Those words mean sweet nothing without actions so until we see something tangible, nothing has changed.

And if anyone blindly trusts what has been said, you’re pathetic.
 

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swooshboy said:
Am really not sure what people expected?

Yes, these are just words – actions are what matter. But they have outlined what they will commit to do. If they fail to do so, then they should expect more protests.

But it is mindless to protest towards them taking notice, and then choosing to ignore any response from them because they see it as 'pure PR guff', whilst patting themselves on the back for seeing through it.

I am still yet to see a realistic proposal of who could replace them. People seem to want someone who is prepared to spend £4b of their own money and then not take a penny from the club.

For those who proudly state that they would be happy to see us relegated if it meant seeing the back of the Glazers, I have a few issues with this. Firstly, I do not see how boycotting sponsors because we do not like our owners would make us an attractive proposition for any future potential sponsor. People say that sponsors will come flocking back...but that is nothing more than a hope and a guess. Secondly, there is absolutely no certainty that the next buyer will be any better. and lastly, and absolutely not leastly, if we were to get relegated, what do people think would happen to many of the people employed by the club? People behind the scenes who have worked at Manchester United for years, decades even? I know a number of these people and it is naive to think that all these roles will be maintained if we are relegated. I know the response will be 'but we will bounce right back', but we will suffer an absolutely huge loss of income and this ill have to be met somehow.

I love United, and have done for over 30 years. But I have bigger, more real concerns in my life than who owns Manchester United Football Club. I have not been able to see my kids since August last year because of COVID. My mother was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer this year. I agree that a leveraged buy-out of the cub should not have been allowed. But we are where we are. And we are here because we went public as a company. Ever since then, we became open to investors.

And, there is no guarantee that the next investor will be someone who can afford to spend the sum required to buy us without wanting a return on their investment – whilst be happy handing off all running of the club that they own to someone else. If people know of such a person, then fantastic. But in the absence of such knowledge, I feel that this outreach from the Glazers is one that should be both met, and made clear that they will be held accountable to their words.
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Excellent post. The fundamentalists in here are completely unreasonable. The point was made, and while the impact of the protest is present, concessions from the glazers should be listened to rather than nonsensical collective “feck off mate” response that seems to be popular on here.

The letter hits on all the things we want. Investment in squad and stadium, dialogue with fans, open to fan representation, a nod to the fan-led review and willingness to work with it, and another apology for the ESL.

Yes, for now they’re just words, but they’re more specific words than what you usually see in a PR fluff letter. Of course it’s possible that they won’t follow through, and one has the right to be skeptical and vigilant, but not outright obtuse and non-sensical.
 
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