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Well done to Lewis.
Been that way for weeks if you read the thread, Merc keep repeating it too even though every race and qualifying shows it's absolute bollocks. And now I read posts about how RB and Max are just now realising how good Lewis is.. as if they didn't know that already after he's won it all for years? Weird. This season is no different than the last or the one before, or the one before.. the Merc is still the quickest car. The difference between them is a bit smaller, that's all. Lewis isn't now somehow proving anything or showing anything new. But the Merc spin is he's beating Verstappen even though the RB is quicker. Yawn. I think if Merc replaced Bottas with Russell or Norris it'd be a Merc 1-2 every race. Bottas just keeps underperforming. Unfortunately for RB, so does Perez.Who’s saying they are? Mercedes was the quicker car today, zero doubt about that.
POS | NO | DRIVER | CAR | LAPS | TIME/RETIRED | PTS |
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1 | 44 | Lewis Hamilton | MERCEDES | 66 | 1:33:07.680 | 25 |
2 | 33 | Max Verstappen | RED BULL RACING HONDA | 66 | +15.841s | 19 |
3 | 77 | Valtteri Bottas | MERCEDES | 66 | +26.610s | 15 |
4 | 16 | Charles Leclerc | FERRARI | 66 | +54.616s | 12 |
5 | 11 | Sergio Perez | RED BULL RACING HONDA | 66 | +63.671s | 10 |
6 | 3 | Daniel Ricciardo | MCLAREN MERCEDES | 66 | +73.768s | 8 |
7 | 55 | Carlos Sainz | FERRARI | 66 | +74.670s | 6 |
8 | 4 | Lando Norris | MCLAREN MERCEDES | 65 | +1 lap | 4 |
9 | 31 | Esteban Ocon | ALPINE RENAULT | 65 | +1 lap | 2 |
10 | 10 | Pierre Gasly | ALPHATAURI HONDA | 65 | +1 lap | 1 |
11 | 18 | Lance Stroll | ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES | 65 | +1 lap | 0 |
12 | 7 | Kimi Räikkönen | ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI | 65 | +1 lap | 0 |
13 | 5 | Sebastian Vettel | ASTON MARTIN MERCEDES | 65 | +1 lap | 0 |
14 | 63 | George Russell | WILLIAMS MERCEDES | 65 | +1 lap | 0 |
15 | 99 | Antonio Giovinazzi | ALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI | 65 | +1 lap | 0 |
16 | 6 | Nicholas Latifi | WILLIAMS MERCEDES | 65 | +1 lap | 0 |
17 | 14 | Fernando Alonso | ALPINE RENAULT | 65 | +1 lap | 0 |
18 | 47 | Mick Schumacher | HAAS FERRARI | 64 | +2 laps | 0 |
19 | 9 | Nikita Mazepin | HAAS FERRARI | 64 | +2 laps | 0 |
NC | 22 | Yuki Tsunoda | ALPHATAURI HONDA | 6 | DNF | 0 |
What race were you watching? Lewis was much faster and with fresher tires. No chance Max defends 20 over laps successfully.If Lewis didnt pit for the 2nd time, Max would win this race easy, he lead from the 1st corner in 1st lap, it Max race to lose up until that Lewis 2nd pit stop which RB could counter the next lap and they didn't.
This year RB could really take the challenge to Merc and possibly win it, their car looks faster and it evident in race aswell with Max.
Today, they got ouwit for 2nd time with same tactic after Hungary 2019. Underdog? yeah, it looks like Merc is the underdog alright in this race for trying something for the win because they couldnt catch Max the leader.
Verstappen would have still been behind Hamilton, as that's how an undercut works.If Lewis didnt pit for the 2nd time, Max would win this race easy, he lead from the 1st corner in 1st lap, it Max race to lose up until that Lewis 2nd pit stop which RB could counter the next lap and they didn't.
This year RB could really take the challenge to Merc and possibly win it, their car looks faster and it evident in race aswell with Max.
Today, they got ouwit for 2nd time with same tactic after Hungary 2019. Underdog? yeah, it looks like Merc is the underdog alright in this race for trying something for the win because they couldnt catch Max the leader.
Yeah its not ideal for the nerves for both to be happening at the same time.Nightmare time for this race to be on as United fan.
Its Karin Chaundok I think. Former driver for Jordan/Force India I think. Memory of the F1 midfield from previous years is a bit hazy.Does anyone know who the Indian lad doing analysis for Sky is?
He's a brilliant pundit. Very knowledgeable and speaks so well.
You say that but Red Bull / Verstappen would most likely be winning the championship this year if not for Hamilton.Hilarious how people on here still buy into the Merc underdog rhetoric
Cheers. I don't remember him at all but he's great on tv.Its Karin Chaundok I think. Former driver for Jordan/Force India I think. Memory of the F1 midfield from previous years is a bit hazy.
It isnt as simple as people think. Getting the tyred into the right operating window is key. Some tracks will suit the Mercs better than the Mercedes. RB on long runs seem to be better on Softs than Merc. But Merc seem to be better on Med than RB on long runs.You say that but Red Bull / Verstappen would most likely be winning the championship this year if not for Hamilton.
He's been Merc's perfect little lap dog for over 4 years now, I think he's earned the right to show how fed up he is about it even though he's known even before he signed for them that this would be his role.Well that was a slow burner wasnt it. Though Lewis would have overtaken max the lap max he came in for for his stop. Good strategy by Mercs though i thought it would be too much of an ask to pull off.
Bottas is a prat. If he wants to keep his drive for next season he needs to do as hes told and get the feck out of Lewis's way.
Perez needs to switch over to his own setup and stop using verstappen's car setup as its not doing him any favours.
Could be, if hypothetically Mercedes truly fecked up their choice of drivers. But that's like saying Red Bull wouldn't be on the podium without Verstappen. Which is probably true too. But it all depends on who you'd put in their place doesn't it? Fact is, Mercedes still have the best car so if the drivers are equal they win.You say that but Red Bull / Verstappen would most likely be winning the championship this year if not for Hamilton.
Midfield is being kind from what I remember. He was a poor driver in an awful car, and only had 1 year in F1.Its Karin Chaundok I think. Former driver for Jordan/Force India I think. Memory of the F1 midfield from previous years is a bit hazy.
Rumour from a credible podcast is that he's been told already that he's not getting his contract renewed for next season.Bottas is a prat. If he wants to keep his drive for next season he needs to do as hes told and get the feck out of Lewis's way.
Hes not stupid, he surely knows unless he has a season like Rosberg in 2016 he must realise that theres very little chance he would be kept. Going against team orders and making things difficult probably not such a good idea though.Rumour from a credible podcast is that he's been told already that he's not getting his contract renewed for next season.
His timing of doing that couldn't have been worse though. He's had numerous opportunities over the years on similar tyres and similar strategies, but he decides to defend his position when Hamilton is 1.5 seconds a lap faster than him and is on tyres that give him no opportunity to defend. Result is Bottas loses position on the 3rd cornerHe's been Merc's perfect little lap dog for over 4 years now, I think he's earned the right to show how fed up he is about it even though he's known even before he signed for them that this would be his role.
I think today was a perfect proof that he definitely isn't staying.Rumour from a credible podcast is that he's been told already that he's not getting his contract renewed for next season.
It wasn't so bad today, if he did that at monaco, it would surely screw up the race. Anyway lewis probably wants to keep bottas in the team rather than have the challenge of George Russell to contend with. Though give russell a season or so and i think he would be more rosberg than bottas.I think today was a perfect proof that he definitely isn't staying.
He'd rather cost Hamilton the chance of winning, I hope when it's Bottas' turn he does exactly the same, watch him cry on the radio.
Mainly because Hamilton's tyres were so new he had no chance to defend, but that 2 or 3 seconds extra he lost while trying to chase Verstappen down could have cost him.It wasn't so bad today, if he did that at monaco, it would surely screw up the race. Anyway lewis probably wants to keep bottas in the team rather than have the challenge of George Russell to contend with. Though give russell a season or so and i think he would be more rosberg than bottas.
But Hamilton just loves a challenge and Russell would give him exactly that.It wasn't so bad today, if he did that at monaco, it would surely screw up the race. Anyway lewis probably wants to keep bottas in the team rather than have the challenge of George Russell to contend with. Though give russell a season or so and i think he would be more rosberg than bottas.
Now that would be fantastic.Mainly because Hamilton's tyres were so new he had no chance to defend, but that 2 or 3 seconds extra he lost while trying to chase Verstappen down could have cost him.
He's an absolute baby, I have no idea why he even thinks he's got a chance at the title, just look how far behind he is every race. It'll be Hamilton and Russell next year.
To be fair , in the last 2 races, Max has pitted to get the fastest lap, today he got the extra point, last week track limits got him.Mainly because Hamilton's tyres were so new he had no chance to defend, but that 2 or 3 seconds extra he lost while trying to chase Verstappen down could have cost him.
He's an absolute baby, I have no idea why he even thinks he's got a chance at the title, just look how far behind he is every race. It'll be Hamilton and Russell next year.
I agree and seemingly Bottas isn’t going to play the team game. Bottas has far more capability to be taking points away from Hamilton than Perez does from Max and that could be key.Lewis certainly looking the better driver and with better package. But 14 point gap can change in one race, or with one new car development.
Will be tight.
All Mercedes to be fair, their Q2 run indicated that they were looking for an extra set of mediums for the race. This wasn't an off the cuff call today, and one stopping at Barcelona is a very difficult strategy to work.The last 2 races, Lewis's experience and strategy has beaten Max, I bet Lewis had a say in the second pit, a radio message that we did not hear.
I dont think we will see many for the rest of the season , most if not all team are concentrating on the 2022 car.Lewis certainly looking the better driver and with better package. But 14 point gap can change in one race, or with one new car development.
Will be tight.
I dont think he will lose his seat this season, it is a given , he wont be at Mercedes next season and Russell will take his seat.The risk Bottas runs is losing the seat mid-season. Bottas' main job is to spoil.Max's weekends, whether that's out qualifying him, beating him in the race or taking away strategic options. He does those 3 things adequately, but what he did today was beyond the pale team wise.
I meant Bottas. he’s nowhere near the pace of hamilton and verstappen.To be fair , in the last 2 races, Max has pitted to get the fastest lap, today he got the extra point, last week track limits got him.
The last 2 races, Lewis's experience and strategy has beaten Max, I bet Lewis had a say in the second pit, a radio message that we did not hear. Red Bull strategists are a bit like Ole and his subs, sometime they dont have a clue.
Bottas is miles behind Hamilton. He massively underperforms versus Hamilton even compared with Rosberg did if you look at points gap.I dont think he will lose his seat this season, it is a given , he wont be at Mercedes next season and Russell will take his seat.
His actions today were understandable, frustration and not really wanting to let Lewis past, but Lewis was 1-1.5 second a lap faster, making Lewis actually perform a real overtake was just Bottas throwing his toys out, it did not affect Lewis in the end.
Bottas is a good driver and I think would walk in to any of the top teams, if he had not been racing at the same time as Lewis, he would've had a couple of WC by now.
Toto will have a word, dont think we will see it happen again.