I don't think briefing the press really strengthens bargaining position.
Is Jadon Sancho really worth the 100 plus million fee?
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Dortmund won't let him get to one year left so I reckon it'll happen this summer. They know he isn't signing an extension.
This year would actually be a better year to haggle a bit, but if they qualify for the UCL it won't help matters.
This year would actually be a better year to haggle a bit, but if they qualify for the UCL it won't help matters.
Dortmund export:
- kagawa
- mikitaryan
- aubumeyang
- wiegle
- papastatopulos
- sahin
- bathuashy
- dembele
- emre mor
No thanks
- kagawa
- mikitaryan
- aubumeyang
- wiegle
- papastatopulos
- sahin
- bathuashy
- dembele
- emre mor
No thanks
If they play down expectations and Dortmund really do need the money it might.
They've done it before.
Well if we don't go for him and he ends up at Chelsea for example I'd be pissed. The whole reason City are the best team in Europe is due to their depth of quality. Chelsea also have brilliant options. I'm hoping it's a bluffing tactic.
Greenwood is good on right but not outstanding. If we were to sign a top class CB and DM I'd understand us not having the funds for Sancho however I can't see past the same CB pairing and McFred again next season. Do not trust this club to do anything right in the window and we'll end up seeing Dan James playing games again next year or shoe horning Rashford to the right.
Hope I'm wrong but I say this before every window.
Greenwood is good on right but not outstanding. If we were to sign a top class CB and DM I'd understand us not having the funds for Sancho however I can't see past the same CB pairing and McFred again next season. Do not trust this club to do anything right in the window and we'll end up seeing Dan James playing games again next year or shoe horning Rashford to the right.
Hope I'm wrong but I say this before every window.
There's a lot of 'depends' about this one:
Greenwood seems increasingly comfortable and effective playing on the right. I think we need Sancho less than we did last summer, but that's not to say we shouldn't still try to sign him, but inside forwards are far easier to come by than top strikers right now so if we can land one of Haaland or Kane we should prioritise that IMO
- Depends whether Cavani stays next year
- Depends whether the plan is for Greenwood to play as striker in those times when Cavani cannot
- Depends whether Amad is able to improve his body strength this summer and be in contention
- Depends, of course, on the price
Greenwood seems increasingly comfortable and effective playing on the right. I think we need Sancho less than we did last summer, but that's not to say we shouldn't still try to sign him, but inside forwards are far easier to come by than top strikers right now so if we can land one of Haaland or Kane we should prioritise that IMO
The aim is to challenge for titles and for that we need another creative player. If Cavani stays, we won't be signing a striker. The ones of the quality we need are simply not on the market. I am quite confident we are still in for him.
My guess would be
Sancho
A CM
A CB.
My guess would be
Sancho
A CM
A CB.
You need 6 players for 3 positions if you want challenge across all fronts.
We currently have Rashford,Cavani,Greenwood and Martial.
James and Mata arent good enough.
Amad isn't ready.
We need Sancho.
We currently have Rashford,Cavani,Greenwood and Martial.
James and Mata arent good enough.
Amad isn't ready.
We need Sancho.
It is only Luckhurst who has said it, and doubt he's been briefed with this insightful knowledge in the past:
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Bit rich putting Immobile in there, Lewandowski and Hummels went to Bayern.
Immobile's done well after leaving. No worse than @::sonny:: putting together a list of failed Dormund exports, and including a loan player (Batshuayi), and two players who didn't really make it at Dortmund either, in Weigl and Mor.
I just dont want him to come to the PL and struggle for months with the RW only to find that he settles a bit better on the LW; before competing for the LW with Rashford and Pogba (maybe even Martial).
I say that because from a LW perspective I prefer the Grealish.
If Sancho can hold that RW position and make that his own; even if its just competing with Greenwood then I can be happy with that.
I say that because from a LW perspective I prefer the Grealish.
If Sancho can hold that RW position and make that his own; even if its just competing with Greenwood then I can be happy with that.
I didn’t agree with the other list either.
Edit - Also feel Immobile did better prior and after his Dortmund spell for what it’s worth.
I am certain one of the bottom two positions will get sacrificed for a backup RB but that's just my opinion, ideally we get a midfielder who is strong positionally but also able to make progressive passes as well which isn't easy to find
I don’t think it is worth spending that much money on Sancho when there are quite a few really good attacking players playing for some of the lower tier team in the premier league they we might be able to get for less
I am thinking as options :
Pereira (WBA)
Traore (Wolves)
Saint Maximin (Newcastle)
While they may not be as high profile as Sancho and may not always be in the starting 11, they would improve the squad - big upgrade on James for example.
This would give us more money to spend on defensive midfield upgrade where I think we also need to invest
I am thinking as options :
Pereira (WBA)
Traore (Wolves)
Saint Maximin (Newcastle)
While they may not be as high profile as Sancho and may not always be in the starting 11, they would improve the squad - big upgrade on James for example.
This would give us more money to spend on defensive midfield upgrade where I think we also need to invest
None of the three mentioned are good enough for United.
None of the three have out up G+A numbers comparable to Messi over the last 3 seasons either
Reminds me of all the Ismaila Sarr shouts last summer
Dortmund back in Champs league spot.
He was scoring goals in Italy before, was poor at Dortmund and Sevilla, then continued scoring goals in Italy. I wouldn’t say that was a successful Dortmund export, just my opinion, as I said to another poster I don’t agree with the other list either.
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Better balance doesn't make sense to me unless Pogba is staying and we are planning on playing him on the left all the time. We need at least one of our front three to be more creative rather than a pure goal scorer. So if we are going to play Pogba there then maybe Greenwood could provide a better balance, but Sancho would probably be better when Rashford's on the left.
My only real question mark over Sancho is whether he does enough defensively. Ideally I'd want somebody who is an improvement over our current options and helps defensively on top of bringing that creativity. Sancho is more similar to our current guys in that regard.
My dream muppet signing if this isn't happening would be a raid on Saint-Maximin instead for about £50m. I know his goals and assist tally isn't up there yet, but he wrecks havoc every time he plays for Newcastle. We have enough providers and finishers in Pogba, Rashford, Greenwood, Cavani, signing someone that picks the ball up and runs at defences would be 
But it's unlikely to happen. I do think we'll be in for another wide forward this summer though if Dortmund want £80m+ for Sancho.
But it's unlikely to happen. I do think we'll be in for another wide forward this summer though if Dortmund want £80m+ for Sancho.
Sign him and i am confident we'll be challenging very strongly for the league next season now with Cavani signing on as well
Would be one hell of a mistake IMO, I'm from the opinion that we should rather buy top talent even though we just get 1-2 players instead of buying several medium and get 3-4.My dream muppet signing if this isn't happening would be a raid on Saint-Maximin instead for about £50m. I know his goals and assist tally isn't up there yet, but he wrecks havoc every time he plays for Newcastle. We have enough providers and finishers in Pogba, Rashford, Greenwood, Cavani, signing someone that picks the ball up and runs at defences would be
But it's unlikely to happen. I do think we'll be in for another wide forward this summer though if Dortmund want £80m+ for Sancho.
We've bought enough average players like Fred, VDB, James, etc that at the end of the day don't solve our main issues.
Saint Maximin is no better than Greenwood. 50M for a player that would most likely don't be a straight inclusion in the XI is a waste.
Not going to argue over how good it is, just stating my muppet wishes if we don't want to pay so much for Sancho. I do watch most Newcastle matches when he plays though and do think he's really underrated by non-Newcastle fans. I would class him a good 2 levels above the likes of VDB and James.
I reckon Sancho will be a priority this summer. Pogba playing on the left permanently is problematic because it sacrifices Rashford on the left and Greenwood on the right as Rashford would have to play being ineffective on that side of the wing.
Pogba's interview about replacing Marcus seems to suggest he's not anticipating staying in that position either. Guess only the management / scouts really have a definitive plan consisting of making the right purchases.
Pogba's interview about replacing Marcus seems to suggest he's not anticipating staying in that position either. Guess only the management / scouts really have a definitive plan consisting of making the right purchases.
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I know it’s really attacking but the idea of a really steely defensive midfielder behind Bruno, Pogba, Sancho, Rashford, and Cavani is too much.
Might not work in reality. But very keen to see it.
Might not work in reality. But very keen to see it.
That's more like it.
We will get him for sure
Pogba Greenwood Rashford Cavani Martial Sancho is City level of attacking depth
Is there a chance the old Sancho thread will ever be reopened? Or we have to break the record again?
2 players for every position generally means 2 unique players for every position, it doesn't mean listing every single position a player can play and counting that as squad depth. If you have 3 attacking positions, you generally want 6 first team players and then maybe 1 or 2 young prospects
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That doesn't seem like huge overkill to me in the slightest. Amad and Greenwood are teenagers, Cavani never plays 2 games in a row. Pogba will end up playing a mix of midfield, AM and on the wing.
The likes of Mata and James should be let go.
Gary Neville thinks we're signing him
Who do you think we could get realistically to do that job behind themI know it’s really attacking but the idea of a really steely defensive midfielder behind Bruno, Pogba, Sancho, Rashford, and Cavani is too much.
Might not work in reality. But very keen to see it.
It’s very very on. Not sure it’ll even be a saga.
How much do you think we will have to pay to get him (excluding addons)
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