This is like that weird sorry, not sorry thread 
Telegraph issues a apology to Solskjaer!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
It's funny, but this sentiment actually seems to exist. There's this idea that you have to have your little brand of football and impose that upon your team for your victories to mean anything. You have to be Tiki-Taka, or you have be be Gegenpressing, or you have to be whatever the feck "Poch" is supposed to play. Sarri had his Chelsea and Juve sides playing some of the most dire football you could ever watch (with the closest analogue being LVG's United), yet he never seemed to have much media pressure because "he's doing Vertical Tiki-Taka, mate".
On the other side of the coin, Zidane's achievements in the Champions League barely seem to count, because he doesn't have that and is seen mainly as a lowly 'man-manager'. If the likes of Ferguson and Ancelotti were in their pomp now, their achievements would probably be denigrated as well.
Whether he ever gets anywhere near those heights or not, Ole is from the same school of management and has to deal with, until very recently, getting less credit than fecking Action Man steering Arsenal to the heady heights of 9th simply because journos have declared him a tactical genius thanks to his vague association to Guardiola.
I was definately ole out since the beginning. Im glad i been proven wrong. Hope he build a dynasty like SAF did. For me he already out did the likes of LVG AND MOU.. Who knew. Its a dream.
Plenty on here that owe him one too, won't hold my breath.
Kind of a weird thing to do but there were plenty more in the media who openly dismissed him for a long time, and probably some who still do.
It wasn't until OGS was in the job for a couple of years before some of the snobbery stopped and he got a little credit. Felt like the PE teacher memes seeped their way into actual journalists' columns.
It wasn't until OGS was in the job for a couple of years before some of the snobbery stopped and he got a little credit. Felt like the PE teacher memes seeped their way into actual journalists' columns.
I’ve staunchly supported Ole from the start because the positivity he brought was clear. The recruitment excellent, and the improvement - although sometimes gradual - was obvious.
The abuse he took from our own fans, so many of them on here, always was - and remains - disgraceful. It continues to this day, where the match day thread remains the most toxic place on earth from armchair fans who know little about football.
I hope Ole is able to continue his good work in the summer, and bring in the two or three players we need to keep improving.
The abuse he took from our own fans, so many of them on here, always was - and remains - disgraceful. It continues to this day, where the match day thread remains the most toxic place on earth from armchair fans who know little about football.
I hope Ole is able to continue his good work in the summer, and bring in the two or three players we need to keep improving.
Good to see them have some manners for a change.
I literally don’t care. The media all hates us and constantly writes rubbish to try and discredit us. Are all of them going to apologise for everything they’ve written the last 30 years? Hated, adored, never ignored.
This clip is like a fine wine.
Yeah fair. I think if there is no serious title challenge questions will certainly be asked of Ole and the players but if next season City keep us at arm's length, with us on 85 or so to their 90+ by the end, you could hardly call the season a disgrace and call for Ole's head. Europe is key as you say; a poor showing in the CL and nothing much in the league will not be satisfactory for many fans.
It was incredible hearing the ridiculous takes by the likes of Simon Jordan amongst other who would happily take a swipe at Ole but then praise Arteta and Lampard. Shameful ABU on display. Hopefully some trophies to follow now to make their opinions look even more foolish.
How does this only have 25k views? I feel like I'm responsible for a sizable chunk of that.
Well tbh I have to issue one as well. Though I'm not active that much on here anymore there was plenty of times when we played some absolute dreadful stuff where I repeatedly said he should be sacked. Also said he's tactically inept and I think the worst thing I called him was a clown. It is now clear though, imo that he's done better than any manager post Sir Alex. He definitely has his flaws but from I can see at the minute we seem to be on a good path.
Do not get me wrong though! Majority of the time I've blamed our scum owners. For instance I think we can all agree on the fact that Ole wanted Haaland & Sancho. I've no doubt that had we gotten the two of them we would have won the league this year so as per usual us falling short yet again comes down to the dreadful ownership we've had to endure all these years. On the flipside it's understandable they didn't pay what Dortmund demanded considering covid and all.
Do not get me wrong though! Majority of the time I've blamed our scum owners. For instance I think we can all agree on the fact that Ole wanted Haaland & Sancho. I've no doubt that had we gotten the two of them we would have won the league this year so as per usual us falling short yet again comes down to the dreadful ownership we've had to endure all these years. On the flipside it's understandable they didn't pay what Dortmund demanded considering covid and all.
The amount ot criticism he's been getting for these 2,5 years is ridiculous. No one probably knows it Ole can get this team to next level, reach 85+ points next season and make it genuine title contenders, but the job he's done so far has clearly been good, he got rid of most of the deadwood players and brought in some good players, we're 2nd. Of course there are many things to improve (first thing I'd like is for us not to have go down most games so we start playing for example) but you'd think we were in Tottenham or Arsenal's position in table the way some people talk.
Now we just need to hear from Craig Burley...
This chip on the shoulder regarding Ole has destroyed half of the football conversation on the site. You can't even discuss the merits of Rodgers (for example) without pro-Ole'ers getting their kicks in. Like, he's awesome, please move on
Some of them were pretty vile too, both in how they attacked Ole and the posters who believed he deserved a chance. I'm petty enough to believe that they should never be allowed back into the general forum population's good graces. They should forever be shamed for their ridiculous garbage posting.
Overdue. However, at least they have gone some way to addressing their coverage of Ole.
Has done more than decent job. The team is much more enjoyable to watch. The board needs to strongly back him up in summer though. Otherwise all hard work, all progress will go in vain.
Meh, the English football press is disgusting and need to feck off in general.
If he wants to start apologising for all of the stuff that they get wrong then fine but it will take more than one occasion for me to believe they actually feel as embarrassed as they should be for some of the narratives that they set as so called "experts".
If he wants to start apologising for all of the stuff that they get wrong then fine but it will take more than one occasion for me to believe they actually feel as embarrassed as they should be for some of the narratives that they set as so called "experts".
Fair play Ole. Hopefully he continues to shit people up. I don't expect many more articles like this, but he's been slowly and steadily doing a great job, albeit with some blips along the way which is to be expected.
I was probably the chairman of the Ole out club, right now I'm on the fence. Still far from any apologies, long may the improvement continue.
At least your needle is moving buddy.
I still think our performances warranted the criticism he was receiving from journalists and fans. There were clear question marks for most of last season as well as the beginning of this one, with our COVID form looking more like a purple patch than actual progress. Rebuilding the atmosphere and mood around the club was a huge and vital achievement but there were question marks as to whether he quite had the tactical nous to get us playing the football we want to be playing on a regular basis.
I'm thrilled he's turned it around and proven himself to be the exact manager we need right now. But that doesn't necessarily mean the skeptics were wrong to question him.
I'm thrilled he's turned it around and proven himself to be the exact manager we need right now. But that doesn't necessarily mean the skeptics were wrong to question him.
I stood on the sidelines while fans here regularly tore each other apart over Ole in or Ole out. I never understood the need to take a position so early on in the process. My default is to publicly support a new manager/player, even if I privately have doubts. It's only after a good chunk of time that we can really assess someone's impact. I think we're at that point now, and I think it's fair to say both privately and publicly that Ole's been a success in terms of the style of football we're seeing out there on the pitch, which is what we care about most. To me, it bodes even better that although many of us are happy with the team right now, we're still very much a work in progress, which suggests a higher ceiling, and it's impossible not to give Ole plenty of the credit for that.
Who gives a flying feck about mainstream media nowadays anyway?
We're making progress and Ole deserves credit. To the extent that people thought he would actively do badly here, they were clearly wrong.
Being real though, the question as to whether he is really good enough still exists, and will do until he wins a PL or CL. And the better he does, the more that ultimate test looms into focus.
So while it's nice for him to get the credit he deserves for the work he's done, grand proclamations about how wrong people were to doubt him not only seem self-important but also aren't worth the virtual paper they're printed on, as those making them could be back to criticising Ole in no time.
Being real though, the question as to whether he is really good enough still exists, and will do until he wins a PL or CL. And the better he does, the more that ultimate test looms into focus.
So while it's nice for him to get the credit he deserves for the work he's done, grand proclamations about how wrong people were to doubt him not only seem self-important but also aren't worth the virtual paper they're printed on, as those making them could be back to criticising Ole in no time.
He came close on Extra Time the other day and actually gave a reasonable justification for his stance. He said that Ole cannot be seen as a success without winning either the PL or the CL due to the size of the club and that is how any Manchester United manager should be judged which I think we all agree with. He did say though that Ole has done well in the context of this season and that by virtue of his achievements this year, win or lose the final, he deserves to keep the job for another season. I am Ole in but I don't disagree with any of that, I think his successes might go unacknowledged at times but I also feel he has to deliver the biggest prizes and probably within the next couple of seasons or it will be time to move on.
I am pretty fickle when it comes to the manager. I want him to do well but having a manager learning on the job means we make some horrendous decisions. He showed how poor his management could be with the Champions League failure, but he has shown his good man management skills to keep us consistent in the league.
He still has a way to go in my view but I definitely think he has earned another year in the job. If he can grab one or two first team players then maybe he can get to the next level.
He still has a way to go in my view but I definitely think he has earned another year in the job. If he can grab one or two first team players then maybe he can get to the next level.
How can you undermine someone else’s ability to do something?
Ole will get back on them in the 2nd half of his century. We all know it.
Same. He's earned the right to get his rebuild. I wasn't expecting him to turn things around but for the first time in a long time whenever we hit a slump I'm thinking the same thing I did when Sir Alex was in charge; "our next opponents are fecked".
Top post.
Word for word.
Fake News!
A idiot that can't see past his anti United agenda. His predictions are normally the kiss of deaths for teams and the last one he gave was for PSG to win this season Champions league.
Putting aside football rivalries and managerial chips on the shoulder, Pep, Klopp, Sarri, and Poch all played great football at one point or another. In fact Pep and Klopp popularized concepts like positional play and counterpressing to the point that most European teams use them now and it's considered normal. That's what caused the plaudits.
If you cast your mind back to any time we're playing good football, the general sentiment is "Ole's at the wheel!", so to simply put it down to that narrative is not accurate. As we're seeing right now, if we play good winning football, the plaudits will follow!
You posted what I meant to reply.
I agree with everything here.