Same with fans here. Been arguing for three days because a poster thinks Tuchel has already proven he’s better than Ole with just his first three months in the PL.
All because they are in a CL final.
Chelsea appoint Thomas Tuchel
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
All because they are in a CL final.
Turns out he’s the worst manager of all time. I knew it.
vs 7 for United. 9 for City.
Mind you, last 12 games wouldn’t be best run of form for either of those clubs. So still funny to see so much smoke blown up Tuchel’s arse after a 50% win percentage.
Yeah what a terrible achievement.
And when he wins the next game he will revert to the best manager of all time.
‘Tis the way of the fickle ones.
Hard to ignore the fact you’ve done it before under legitimately rubbish managers.
Their league form hasn't been that great under Tuchel.
It’s good, not saying otherwise, but cup comps prove little in the grand scheme.
Di Matteo says hi.
We were still crap in the league under di matteo and finished outside the cl.
We were what ? 9th when tuchel took over now we in the top 4.
So Tuchel’s a better manager than Frank Lampard. Bit of a low bar but good on him, I guess.
Yep, after the ridiculous comments about Nagelsmann after the United Leipzig game nothing here shocks me now.
I'd be interested to see the comments about Messi after the world cup final in 2014
Why is it hard to ignore? Grant and RDM reached the final under completely different context. The only similarity between them being they were all appointed mid-season.
Three odd defeats for him as Chelsea manager thus far. Is it possible for him to lose to Leicester in the FA Cup final and then beat Man City in the Champions league final?
Appointed mid-season. Made the CL final. Happens all the time. What an idiot I am for drawing any comparisons.
Tuchel came in the week we lost to Sheff Utd, just when we hit that bad run of form. If we win tomorrow then the difference between Tuchel v Ole tallies is the Leicester game where we played our reserves.
The league since Tuchel came in is very misleading imo. He really should be miles ahead with the credit hes getting. Hes barely leading Ole despite coming in with the new manager bounce v right at the start of a rare bad run for us tjis season. It couldnt be timed any more perfectly.
Fair play for reaching the CL final. Its a fantastic achievement but it does lend credence to Ole's point about not measuring progress by cup competitions.
Damn a fa cup final on for top 4 and a CL final in a few months is a low bar. You must be loving life slumming with ole then
Is he even ahead of Ole in the league? My calculations have him winning one less game. And I think we only lost once in last 12 games. Haven’t they lost twice?
No-one called you an idiot, I'm just saying those other two finals were achieved under different context but hey, sure I guess.
We were discussing league form. Keep up.
Tuchel was ahead by 5 before City game, we both won that weekend, both lost next game. We have a game in hand to get it to 2.
Unless the media are lying to us.
Edit they drew a lot of games as well that sneaks up on them. Leeds, Brighton, Southampton..
If by different contexts you mean, not this season then sure, I guess. Otherwise the similarities are fairly fecking obvious and much more notable than the differences.
Blimey is there a single manager in existence that hasn't had a forced comparison to Ole at one time? I'm managing a six a side team tomorow and half expect to return to a me vs Ole thread.
Yes and he's taken us from 9th to the top 4 in a few months what's the issue ?
Why you even qualify for the cl if we not gonna count it ? I mean it's not like oles ever gonna get to final but still.
Grant was a bit of a weird one, I have no proof but I personally believe Hen Ten Cate was manager in all but name but that arguments for another day.
RDM and Tuchel are polar opposite situations, with Robbie we needed a manager to push the old guard for one last crack whereas this time we have a new generation of players who were previously undercoached and needed some tactical discipline they previously were not getting.
Couldn't be more contrasting situations.
Its a Utd forum!
Poor man's potter. Atleast Brighton create when the dominate the ball that much.
You may as well make the ole vs dancfc thread then on who would manage a Man Utd 6 a side team better
I don’t really understand these takes on Tuchel and the job he’s doing.
Chelsea have got the 2nd most points in the league since he joined and he’s taken them from 9th to 4th. With the added bonus that he’s also got them to the Champions League and FA Cup finals.
The football’s been pretty dull in general with some very uninspired performances but he’s clearly opted for a defensive set up as it’s the easiest and simplest method to apply in the shortest amount of time.
If they’re still turning in performances like that by the end of next season you could justifiably have valid questions about his style but it seems odd to question the methods so far. If you’d told Chelsea fans back in January they’d be in the position they are now they’d probably have laughed in your face. Tuchel’s clearly done a good job.
Chelsea have got the 2nd most points in the league since he joined and he’s taken them from 9th to 4th. With the added bonus that he’s also got them to the Champions League and FA Cup finals.
The football’s been pretty dull in general with some very uninspired performances but he’s clearly opted for a defensive set up as it’s the easiest and simplest method to apply in the shortest amount of time.
If they’re still turning in performances like that by the end of next season you could justifiably have valid questions about his style but it seems odd to question the methods so far. If you’d told Chelsea fans back in January they’d be in the position they are now they’d probably have laughed in your face. Tuchel’s clearly done a good job.
? We created more than enough to win that game.
Christ. They were both managing teams filled with world class.players, experienced campaigners, veteran leaders. Stories surrounding both those seasons, but especially Grant in 2008 was the team effectively managed itself. Grant didn't make it to the following season. Things are not quite the same for Tuchel.
A Utd 6 a side team would honestly be sensational to be fair.
And I don't see every manager in existence being compared to the Chelsea manager on the Shed End.
Well arent we better off having a discussion based on something we know? Can hardly get a discussion out of Moyes v Tuchel.
I didnt see you arguing this point for 90 percent of last season before we overtook you to be fair! Once burnt and all that
You’ve not proved anything in the league though really. I mean many managers would have given a boost to the players after how low they were under Lampard.
I've got more patterns of play to my tactics and dress better!
How has he not proven anything in the league ? He's taken the side from 9th to 4th with the 2nd or 3rd most points in the league since he got there.
Fairly certain I argued (in a discussion that wasn't started by me) there was not much difference between the teams, a view the table (which in your words doesn't lie) firmly backed up.
Teams lose football matches, especially when they're in multiple competitions. Get a grip. He's still a really good manager that has clearly made them a more solid unit and will only make them better once he gets in the players that he wants.
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