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Joshua v Fury confirmed by Hearn to be in Saudi Arabia. Watching or boycotting?
To the surprise of absolutely no one! This was always going to be the case, money talks unfortunately. It’s a joke this isn’t being held in Wembley, 90k capacity, two British fighters going at it for the title of undisputed champion in the biggest fight in British boxing history, there should be no other option.
 

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To the surprise of absolutely no one! This was always going to be the case, money talks unfortunately. It’s a joke this isn’t being held in Wembley, 90k capacity, two British fighters going at it for the title of undisputed champion in the biggest fight in British boxing history, there should be no other option.
Wembley won't be holding 90k fans for a long while, at least not this year, so that puts that option out the window.
 

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Wembley for the rematch then, you'd hope...

As for the SA bout, I'll be watching but I sure as feck won't be paying.
 

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I will be watching of course I will, think I might even pay for it as well just in case the stream messes up or something.

I’m not as hyped as I thought I would be though..
 

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That's 18 months of ring rust for Fury. He'll be favored but it's food for thought. Joshua got some solid rounds in about 5 months ago, so 8 months isn't bad for him. Realistically, this should have been happening in June, but I suppose August 14th isn't far off.
 

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I have to say I was really looking forward to Fury V Joshua. By far the biggest fight in UK history.

And then they go an ruin it by having it take place in SA. feck them both and Eddie Hearn.
 

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It’s not uncommon for super fights to land in strange locations. Think Thrilla in Manila and Rumble in the jungle.
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I think the problem with us in the UK is we've waited years for a huge fight like this. They're always in America and we're stuck watching at 5am....we finally get one that should be in Britain and it gets taken away from us as well! At least it'll be on at a normal time though
 

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I think the problem with us in the UK is we've waited years for a huge fight like this. They're always in America and we're stuck watching at 5am....we finally get one that should be in Britain and it gets taken away from us as well! At least it'll be on at a normal time though
Unfortunately money talks and Saudi Arabia have fecking loads of it, especially for sports washing events such as this.
 

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Unfortunately money talks and Saudi Arabia have fecking loads of it, especially for sports washing events such as this.
Yep definitely get why it's happening there it's just shit that it is.

No doubt Eddie gets asked a softball question on IFL TV to justify it and doesn't get quizzed any further on the matter.
 

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Any news / rumours yet on what Sky will / won’t be covering for the second half of the UK boxing season?

I see Eddie is talking up his plans for 3 weeks of Fight Camp events…
 

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Well if this is the case this one is on Fury and his team. Had 2 years to do the Wilder fight and signing a deal when you already have one isn't great. That said sure Wilder is about to get a call from Saudi and a nice check.
 

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Well if this is the case this one is on Fury and his team. Had 2 years to do the Wilder fight and signing a deal when you already have one isn't great. That said sure Wilder is about to get a call from Saudi and a nice check.
Fury will drop the belt
 

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Big step aside cheque for Wilder?

I imagine the step-aside route will be the way to go. I think that’s what Wilder wants and what Haymon will advise. Having said that, what are the repercussions if Fury doesn’t fulfill? He’s an English fighter boxing another English fighter in Saudi. Not sure how this Nevada contract holds up?
 

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If this fight does not happen 14th August it may not ever happen (at least not while they hold belts).
If Wilder wants it, I expect we hear him starting to mouth of to the press soon. Hopefully his silence speaks volumes and he is happy to take a cheque for stepping aside.
 

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I imagine the step-aside route will be the way to go. I think that’s what Wilder wants and what Haymon will advise. Having said that, what are the repercussions if Fury doesn’t fulfill? He’s an English fighter boxing another English fighter in Saudi. Not sure how this Nevada contract holds up?
arbitration is usually legally binding don't think you can just ignore it.

This is all pretty embarrassing for everyone involved. I'd imagine Wilder would want a lot of money to step aside and the pessimist in me says they won't want to pay it so we get Fury vs Wilder 3.
 

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I saw Christopher Lovejoy fight the other day. His record is fake and no footage of him is available. But he came in at 307lbs! And promptly got knocked out by Charr in the second round. How on earth did he get a license
 

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Its not his fault. Both sides signed the contract...he's perfectly entitled to the fight or a shit load of money to step aside.
He didn't want the fight. They were playing this card all along, they'll get a nice payday for nothing.
 

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I’d communicated with Jofre and his family for a number of years. I also had a ton of research. Like a TON. From over the years that I’d had translated. So a few people asked me to write a book on him and I asked his family and they couldn’t be happier.
Well done mate, that's fantastic. Something to be really proud of.
 

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He didn't want the fight. They were playing this card all along, they'll get a nice payday for nothing.
Maybe not.

Point being him and his team are well within their fight to do what they want so seems daft for him to be hated when its other peoples feck up.
 

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Maybe not.

Point being him and his team are well within their fight to do what they want so seems daft for him to be hated when its other peoples feck up.
He delayed the rematch initially, then he ignored the deadlines, effectively preventing Fury fighting in December, then as soon as Fury has another fight announced they pop up and 'want' the fight. He'll get the biggest payday of his life for not fighting.
 

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He delayed the rematch initially, then he ignored the deadlines, effectively preventing Fury fighting in December, then as soon as Fury has another fight announced they pop up and 'want' the fight. He'll get the biggest payday of his life for not fighting.
I agree. I think Wilder and especially Al Haymon did not want a rematch but they also wanted to administer some spite. Now they are in a tricky spot where he’ll look bad if he takes the step-aside after all his talk but he’d be smart to do it. If he’s not all talk he’ll simply fight Fury next. I guess we’ll see.

Fury-Wilder III is such a letdown now if it happens. I wouldn’t surprised if it’s even quicker next time.
 

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Fury can just drop the belt, it will be a shame to not have all the belts on the line but the other belt would be viewed as a third rate belt at that point.

I wouldn't put it past Fury to say he beat up AJ and Wilder a month later (or the same night). In fact, forget this super fight and let's just have a super 6! Everyone's a winner.
 

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He delayed the rematch initially, then he ignored the deadlines, effectively preventing Fury fighting in December, then as soon as Fury has another fight announced they pop up and 'want' the fight. He'll get the biggest payday of his life for not fighting.
Didn't Fury delay the rematch to? And there was COVID etc as well which obviously didn't help.

I'm not disputing whether he wanted the fight or not. I'm merely stating if there's a contract there he's well within his rights to want compensating to step aside or take the fight himself.
 

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Fury can just drop the belt, it will be a shame to not have all the belts on the line but the other belt would be viewed as a third rate belt at that point.

I wouldn't put it past Fury to say he beat up AJ and Wilder a month later (or the same night). In fact, forget this super fight and let's just have a super 6! Everyone's a winner.
AJ might have a problem with it not being the undisputed fight.

He also cant just drop the belt, this effects broadcasters, the fighters and promotion teams aswell as the belt organisations. Dropping the belt doesn't resolve this.
 

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Didn't Fury delay the rematch to? And there was COVID etc as well which obviously didn't help.

I'm not disputing whether he wanted the fight or not. I'm merely stating if there's a contract there he's well within his rights to want compensating to step aside or take the fight himself.
He's within his rights, which is what they knew all along. That's why he's getting criticised, it was their play from the beginning. To prevent the fight or get big money.

Fury said he wouldn't fight Wilder again after Wilder delayed and ignored the deadlines set because Fury wanted to stay active.

Covid didn't help but the fight was still there to be made.