Real Madrid is not "run by a government."
Real Madrid’s £700-Million Stadium Redevelopment
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This was the argument I was having with spurs fans with their stadium. They were saying fans would spend all day there, and then spend more money.
I’d maybe do it once - I think I’ve done 2 OT stadium tours, ate at the restaurant and avoided the magastore all but once.
the two most important thing for me when going to a football match is getting sat down about 5-10 mins before KO and then being able to get out quickly as to not delay my journey home.
I go to more games in London these days, and it’s exactly the same for every stadium. I’ve never spent any time at any ground.
the only time I did, ironically was at City. Was a corporate ticket, and went to the ‘fans area’ beforehand. Band playing outside, food stalls - absolutely hated it! Only interested in the football.
in 30 years the only revenue football clubs have got from me apart from the tickets is from beer!
just heavily subsidised
Another with no taste, future bowl loving gen x.
London brick work, Roman-esque arches, it’s lovely. A proper piece of actual architecture. Look beyond the aerial photograph and you’ll see many beautiful intricacies.
Here’s a lovely angle.
Not sure about that, I went to see the Colosseum the other year...i thought Old Trafford looked a little dated....the Colosseum takes it to a different level ...
That seems completely nuts. The one and only reason I can think a football stadium would ever need a closed roof is heavy snow. When did it last snow in Madrid?!
I wonder what the reaction would be if the Glazers put the club even deeper in debt to spend €700m turning Old Trafford into a mega bowl like that?
I loved it as well. Shame they probably won't build it.Another with no taste, future bowl loving gen x.
London brick work, Roman-esque arches, it’s lovely. A proper piece of actual architecture. Look beyond the aerial photograph and you’ll see many beautiful intricacies.
Here’s a lovely angle.
No they just get the government to buy their training ground for 400m more than it is worth.
So, less than four months ago. Guess that answers my question!
Huge shame that, as it may have helped to “buck the trend” of all these generic metallic bowls.
I was wondering how the government was going to fund their next Galactico era...
That Chelsea stadium looks brilliant btw.
That Chelsea stadium looks brilliant btw.
It's fecking beautiful. I'm all for renovating historic stadiums. Prefer to see this than to see them be demolished and built entirely new. I'd love OT to get the same done. Its too historic to just demolish.
I'm gutted to see the San siro go.
I'm gutted to see the San siro go.
Klopp on the Di Stefano stadium: "“This is a training ground. It’s as if we visited Manchester United and played at their training ground”. “Anfield is at least a proper stadium and it will be good for us”.
Valdano: “When the Santiago Bernabeu is finished, Anfield is what will look like a training ground”
The arrogance
Valdano: “When the Santiago Bernabeu is finished, Anfield is what will look like a training ground”
The arrogance
No. The training ground was bought by four private companies: OHL, Repsol YPF, Mutua Automovilística de Madrid and Sacyr Vallehermoso, and the state obtained money in the process. The tax payer didn't give a single cent.
Come on you are saying the state did not bail Madrid out?
A large amount of the fans you want to cater for with a stadium aren't dedicated football fans who only care about the match. There are also casuals, corporate guests, families and tourists you want to lure away from the comfort of their homes to a live event and wow with the experience. Pies, lager and a lawnmower aren't going to cut it.
Also, fans all carry screens with them in terms of their smartphones and smart stadiums provide the capacity for added value in that regard in terms of things like offering different camera angles and close-ups to fans in their seats or letting them see the output of players wearing smart clothing on the pitch.
Plus behind the scenes smart stadiums carry a lot of benefits in terms of media, security and facilities management. For example, some stadiums allow automated real-time analytics so thing like heating, ventilation, air-conditioning, lighting, etc. can be optimised with ease by facilities managers and maintained at reduced cost. The increased connectivity also allows for much shorter queues for food, shops and facilities, boosting sales significantly. Smart stadiums also allow more specified marketing within the stadium, as they are able to change content in real-time reflecting what is happening in a game and how the audience is behaving, or allow personalised advertising. All of which is obviously extremely valuable to the club, not least because it also offers the opportunity to hoover up data. And from a security POV things like facial recognition, AI-analysed security footage and automated alerts in response to suspicious activity become possible. For example, if a kid were to go missing within the stadium they could have a picture of him on every phone within the building within minutes.
You also have to bear in mind that in designing these stadiums there's a need for them to be heavily future proofed as they are long term projects. So they're designing them with the capacity to respond to future technological advances in mind rather than just what's possible now. And the level of connectivity people expect from the architecture around them is only going to increase. For example, cars are going to be increasingly connected over coming years so it makes sense to design a stadium with the capacity to interact with that if people are going to be parking there. Or in terms of more advanced tech, there have been proposals to develop things like holographic representation, which would mean fans could go to a stadium in America say and watch a live Real Madrid v Barcelona game in Spain "play" on the pitch in front of them in real time. Japan proposed the beginnings of something like that as part of their bid for the 2022 World Cup.
Basically, those futuristic stadiums allow clubs to make a lot more money per event over a very long period of time, which is really what they care about here.
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exactly. What was the actual market value? Significantly less than what was paid. It’s financial doping in the same way as City and PSG.
It's true though. You could argue that, in Perez, Real Madrid effectively had three seats at the negotiating table when the Madrid planning consents and land re-zoning was being done. Construction billionaire, voice of Real Madrid and political influencer. You could even argue that they had insider knowledge of likely planning proposals and arranged land swaps accordingly.
But I doubt it even constituted fraud let alone a government bail out.
looks like hand luggage
It’s beautiful. It’s only going to make top players want to go there, imagine playing in that stadium week in week out.
That's just BS though. There's no point being sentimental about Old Trafford, it needs a major overhaul. The seats are cramped. That fecking 3rd tier is just awful with the roof obscuring the view. I've been up there a couple of times and I'll never go up there again. And it needs some decent screens. I don't get why Chelsea, Everton and the like can submit plans for new developments but United can't?
I won't labour the point but they've been at it for years there are many judgments and stories easily searchable.
I’m not a big fan of modern soulless stadiums but that looks incredible to me. If they pull that off then fair play to them.Another with no taste, future bowl loving gen x.
London brick work, Roman-esque arches, it’s lovely. A proper piece of actual architecture. Look beyond the aerial photograph and you’ll see many beautiful intricacies.
Here’s a lovely angle.
Ask Arsenal and West Ham fans if they would swap their hyper modern stadiums for Highbury and Upton Park, I guarantee the majority would in a heartbeat.
Agree but I guess that costs more?
Might have been an option for Wembley instead of a new build.
Just posting an article I put forward a few days ago on another thread. We need a solution in which everybody wins and can buy into. I felt it might be useful to consider against the new topic.
A scorched earth policy will never work, everyone starves.
Andy Burnham/ Boris Johnson and Manchester City Council should help to develop a ‘New’ Trafford. City got a stadium from the council and local development ensued. Manchester United is a world renowned name and synonymous with Manchester. For United to loose prestige Manchester loses as well. Let’s prove that Britain and Manchester can solve problems post pandemic and Brexit and deliver major infrastructure projects. Using Northern Powerhouse, Brexit Infrastructure, Covid regeneration, lottery money, world cup bidding money, Glazers money etc., It is currently the best ever political time. Greater minds than mine can come up with a package that meets all needs.
A larger stadium with hospitality, conference, hotel, community features, training facilites and possible housing all based on eco-friendly design would generate significant income for the United, prestige for Manchester/ Britain and jobs. Glazers would have to give meaningful board representation to community and fans as a cost of such support. There could be no better time to achieve such a dream
It would mean that all parties would have to work together and some sacred cows would have to be slaughtered. Example, working with Glazers, naming rights of the stadium, moving the stadium away from its current location. Community use of the stadium and training facilities would also add to its attraction.
I am not underestimating the problems or political implications from this, but let’s prove that Britain and Manchester is open for business and has a ‘can do’ mentality. Abroad Manchester is Manchester United whatever detractors might say and a successful united Manchester is best for all Mancunians and Britain.
What is the alternative, get the owners out, then what? Nobody can give a solution which offers guaranteed success or longevity for our great club. This I believe offers the best chance, division will never work.
A scorched earth policy will never work, everyone starves.
Andy Burnham/ Boris Johnson and Manchester City Council should help to develop a ‘New’ Trafford. City got a stadium from the council and local development ensued. Manchester United is a world renowned name and synonymous with Manchester. For United to loose prestige Manchester loses as well. Let’s prove that Britain and Manchester can solve problems post pandemic and Brexit and deliver major infrastructure projects. Using Northern Powerhouse, Brexit Infrastructure, Covid regeneration, lottery money, world cup bidding money, Glazers money etc., It is currently the best ever political time. Greater minds than mine can come up with a package that meets all needs.
A larger stadium with hospitality, conference, hotel, community features, training facilites and possible housing all based on eco-friendly design would generate significant income for the United, prestige for Manchester/ Britain and jobs. Glazers would have to give meaningful board representation to community and fans as a cost of such support. There could be no better time to achieve such a dream
It would mean that all parties would have to work together and some sacred cows would have to be slaughtered. Example, working with Glazers, naming rights of the stadium, moving the stadium away from its current location. Community use of the stadium and training facilities would also add to its attraction.
I am not underestimating the problems or political implications from this, but let’s prove that Britain and Manchester is open for business and has a ‘can do’ mentality. Abroad Manchester is Manchester United whatever detractors might say and a successful united Manchester is best for all Mancunians and Britain.
What is the alternative, get the owners out, then what? Nobody can give a solution which offers guaranteed success or longevity for our great club. This I believe offers the best chance, division will never work.
No-one’s asking for that. I’d just prefer if more clubs tried to create a piece of individual architecture rather than the standard metallic bowls.
You are right that there are many stories which are easily searchable, but that does not make their information factually correct and it's better to focus on those where the European Court of Justice determines whether those claims are true or not.
Looks kind of like one of those robotic lawnmowers.
That Singapore video looks cool.
Astonished at how many people don't care about the aesthetics of a stadium that represents your team so long as it functionally crams in the requisite number of people.
I mean, Ffs,. Aesthetics, architecture, beauty and character are important.
It's the same reason that fans care that we don't have copy and paste kit templates by Nike. Because uniqueness matters.
It's why things like Wembley's Twin Towers matters. There's a connection between the experience of the stadium and the aesthetic quality of it. Or why Milan's architectural exterior matters.
I cannot fathom the idea of sacrificing aesthetics and identity to the altar of pure functionality.
I mean, Ffs,. Aesthetics, architecture, beauty and character are important.
It's the same reason that fans care that we don't have copy and paste kit templates by Nike. Because uniqueness matters.
It's why things like Wembley's Twin Towers matters. There's a connection between the experience of the stadium and the aesthetic quality of it. Or why Milan's architectural exterior matters.
I cannot fathom the idea of sacrificing aesthetics and identity to the altar of pure functionality.
It's a shame we didn't take advantage of no fans in the stadium for a whole season. It was a unique chance for us to do expansions and renovations, missed.
Yeah, I was a fan of the Chelsea design. However, doubt it will be built now as it has been what, 5-6 years since it was announced?Another with no taste, future bowl loving gen x.
London brick work, Roman-esque arches, it’s lovely. A proper piece of actual architecture. Look beyond the aerial photograph and you’ll see many beautiful intricacies.
Here’s a lovely angle.
Looks like a massive Garden Centre there.
All stadiums get older and older. All Real are doing here is adding a roof and facade to their current stadium which was built in the 40's.
As to how they're affording it well they're borrowing money from among others JP Morgan to fund it. So their desperation for the Super League to go ahead makes even more sense.
I am confused as well, I just don't know what some people want. What do they mean by "it has no soul" . It looks amazing!
One of the few stadium designs in recent years that looks like a decent amount of thought went into it. The aesthetic design of it anyway.
I mean, that's pretty much standard procedure for anyone
The stadium renovations are the reason why Flo pushed for the SL right now, like that, though. A matter of timing
What? The club lost £100M. How will they make up for that loss in revenues and then hope to have a decent transfer budget to try & compete next season?