It's possible. Might explain why Israel - despite claiming to be the protectors of jewish people everywhere - has moved further away from the jewish community in the United States in recent years.
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Unfortunate since even actual palestinians who are being pushed out make it clear so many times we are not against any Jewish person.
Thing is, Israel has been pushing for years the idea that any criticism towards Israel is based on anti semitism.
The Jews of the Torah are like brothers to the Muslims and Christians. The Zionist Jews are not. Thats how my Jewish friends father explained it to me
4 Arrests tonight.I hope they're arrested and thrown into jail for a good few years. Hate is crime is hate crime. Boils my blood.
There are actually lots of Jews standing shoulder to shoulder calling Israelis terrorists at these protests, how the hell will they be feeling?
Jews Muslims Christians Atheists and all the other humane people all stood together in cities all over the World to show solidarity with the Palestinians and these idiots thought they'd try to undo all the good thats came out of these protests. We wont stand for it. Much love to the Jewish people. They stood with us we stand with them.
Fair enough, and I had forgotten he made that statement too.
Netanyahu placed Bosnia & Herzegovina as supporters of Israel’s unchecked aggressions and ethnic cleansing.
Leader of Bosnian presidency:
“Bosnia and Herzegovina does not and cannot support the killings of innocent civilians in Gaza by Israeli military forces”
Leader of Bosnian presidency:
“Bosnia and Herzegovina does not and cannot support the killings of innocent civilians in Gaza by Israeli military forces”
Interesting. From what I hear it's so polarized in bosnia. You'll have one village with palestinian flag and another with Israeli.
From what I hear it's more the Serbians that are with the Israelis now and the Bosnians supporting Palestine (especially as there was always so much support from Palestine for Bosnians in the 90's).
Comes with the territory when the West were sticking their nose in everywhere else (Iraq for example) and claiming it to free the people from the evil dictator.
And US vetoing everything remotely critical doesn't help either
No, they are just a bunch of hippies who explode in busses killing innocent civilians, and murdering Jewish women and children. Of course they are not terrorists, they only execute Jewish children and women in their sleep and target their missiles into urban civilian population. Oh and their condition to lay their arms is a total annihilation and death of the state of Israel and the Jews within it. Not terrorist, just a bunch of freedom fighters, right?
This thread is a mess.
No, they are just a bunch of hippies who explode in busses killing innocent civilians, and murdering Jewish women and children. Of course they are not terrorists, they only execute Jewish children and women in their sleep and target their missiles into urban civilian population. Oh and their condition to lay their arms is a total annihilation and death of the state of Israel and the Jews within it. Not terrorist, just a bunch of freedom fighters, right?
I've never met a Jewish person in my life. But while I broadly support their stance for an independent country (that they have), I believe theyre fully in the wrong here
Am I an anti-Semite?
Am I an anti-Semite?
Really? Where are you from?
And no, you are not an anti-semite. There are Jews who don't support the state of Israel, and there are non-Jews who support the state of Israel.
You might have and not known about it. There is a small jewish community here.
No, they are just a bunch of hippies who explode in busses killing innocent civilians, and murdering Jewish women and children. Of course they are not terrorists, they only execute Jewish children and women in their sleep and target their missiles into urban civilian population. Oh and their condition to lay their arms is a total annihilation and death of the state of Israel and the Jews within it. Not terrorist, just a bunch of freedom fighters, right?
Thats sounds exactly like what the israelis are doing
Bosnian Muslims support Palestine, Bosnian Serbs support Israel. It's pretty much a clear divide.
It's basically what both are doing, just that Israel is a state and more "successful" at doing said things. IIRC someone posted statistics about casualties in the region and the palestinian casualties exceeded the israeli ones by a huge amount.
No, they are just a bunch of hippies who explode in busses killing innocent civilians, and murdering Jewish women and children. Of course they are not terrorists, they only execute Jewish children and women in their sleep and target their missiles into urban civilian population. Oh and their condition to lay their arms is a total annihilation and death of the state of Israel and the Jews within it. Not terrorist, just a bunch of freedom fighters, right?
I would say Israel definitely uses state terror. However if the power imbalance was inverted I highly doubt that there would be any Israeli jews left in the region.
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My mother said so as well when I was talking to her about that topic and I still wonder why. If there was a legitimate, working state of Palestina and an actual attept at living alongside each other in harmony, why would Israel seize to exist somehow? Enough superpowers and basically the whole western world would not tolerate that.
At that point, saying something like this means accepting that there is no solution for these poor people. Which might be true, but it's not a god given fact, it's because of people who don't want it to happen.
India. We have a small Jewish community here. But in a sea of 130cr they might as well be non existent.
I just wish people woould just stop fecking around with others and just bloody live. We have a similar conflict ongoing in Kashmir and it's always the everyday man, woman and child who gets screwed
Yes, of course it wouldn't happen if they tried to live peacefully side by side. But there has in the past been wars to wipe Israel of the map. Which is why I don't doubt it would happen if Israel didn't have the military capacity that they do.
So stating that Hamas should conduct it's warfare in compliance with international humanitarian law is shameful. Got it.
Now, listen. I don't owe you any moral duty to conform with your uneducated, pontificating rage. I happen to have training in international law, and what I said is a fact. Dont be stupid!
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Why is Egypt not letting Palestinians cross the border?!
To be fair, Serbia has excellent relations with Palestine too (and vice versa).
Yeah that's true. Sort of retained the spirit of the Non-Aligned Movement.
Because they have blockade of Gaza as well because of Hamas.
Not sure I really understand this line of thinking.
Individuals who've undergone horrific abuse when they're younger are just as able (perhaps even more so) to dish out abuse when they're older as those who didn't.
The modern state of Israel was preceded and succeeded by multiple tragedies meted out to the Jewish people, including one of the worst atrocities humans have ever committed. This comes on a background of a good 2000 years of shoddy treatment by the other two Abrahamic religions.
So while in actuality Israel is a regional military superpower, totally unchallenged by conventional military might by its neighbours, I believe there is still a siege mentality and a fear at the back of minds of some Israelis of this situation.
This is not to again defend Israel in any way (my posts I believe speak for my views) but the fact that a group of people underwent a traumatic event doesn't stop them from unleashing trauma on others, especially if they feel that that trauma is still not totally impossible even now.
No rage, you aren't worth that. Just a sense of sorrow at the idea human beings can be so morally bankrupt.
You can't hold a person's head under water until they lash out in desperation for their life, and then use the law to suggest their lashing out justified your aggression in the first place.
Israel does not allow Palestine to have military locations, just as it does not allow them to vote, or to fish, or to trade, or to move freely, or to remain in their homes, or to live in the land of their birth, free from persecution or oppression.
The second any such military facility is established it would be destroyed and unless they were as ethically corrupt as those justifying evil on this thread, any judge on the planet would see through an attempt to use such laws in the context you are suggesting.
As relevant as ever.
You've edited your post since my reply but yes, your comments in this context are utterly, utterly shameful.
The fact you think you are educated makes it worse.
Because the Egyptian military have as its number one enemy the Muslim brotherhood, who they genuinely see as an AQ/ISIS like group and from whom Hamas have splintered off. Worth noting that the Egyptian security forces killed about a thousand Muslim brothers in one day to disperse a protest they themselves acknowledge was barely armed. For them, they are a mortal enemy.
There's also a low level insurgency in northern Sinai which is a mixture of both AQ/ISIS elements and genuine grievances from the locally ignored bedouin population and I think they fear the flow of weapons/ tactics etc between some of the groups in Gaza and these insurgent groups.
There was also a period of time i believe in the early 2010s when there were some attacks from various groups from Northern Sinai towards Israel. Probably a mixture again of these local groups and potentially some of the more militant groups in Gaza. That's unacceptable to the Egyptian state (rightly) for many reasons, not least the domestic optics of Israeli jets flying into Egyptian territory to deal with the issue themselves.
I've not edited any preceding post so what does that mean? Go on, point out the shameful aspect of asking Hamas to respect civilians lives on both sides.
This is it plus Sisi generally has / wants to normalise relations with Israel in the same way UAE, Morocco, etc have.
I'll also add that the Rafah crossing was open earlier this year/back end of last year but was closed again due to Covid.
Personally, I think it's shameful that there's an Egyptian led block. They're projecting the Palestine flag onto the Pyramids of Giza, whilst keeping the people of Gaza penned in. It's pathetic performative moralising without any substance.
You posted what I have quoted in my first reply first. Then after I replied, I read your edited version so responded to that as well.
I've pointed out why it's shameful in that first reply. But if you haven't learned the difference between right and wrong at this stage of your life, I'm not here to teach it to you now.
Long time no see! Hope you're well.
Being trained in (and practicing) law myself, I just want to state that international law and the likes are very shaky constructs and do not matter at all when in reality people are suffering. If it is not applied sensibly, law international law does not mean anything.