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First thing I thought of when I saw the titleI think Blatter started looking into exactly this and his first suggestion was smaller shorts.
First thing I thought of when I saw the titleI think Blatter started looking into exactly this and his first suggestion was smaller shorts.
She would say that wouldn't she.
This attitude is a reason why the sport isn't growing as quickly as a lot would like though.Ive coached a lot of girls and womens teams over the years and these threads pop up from time to time. The big problem is its men talking about what they think women should do. Its their version of the game. Men watch the womans game expecting it to be just like the mens game and when it isnt they want to change it. In all my years coaching I have never heard any of the girls or women I coached ask for any changes, they are happy playing it the way it is.
Bottom line, stop putting male expectations of the game onto the womans game. Let them have their version of the game, if you dont like it dont watch. If you can get your head around the fact it looks and plays differently then you have a chance of enjoying it for what it is.
FFS. Its a completely different issue to women commentators.This attitude is a reason why the sport isn't growing as quickly as a lot would like though.
You've got someone that tuned in to watch a game last night and didn't enjoy it, he puts a respectable thread up about potential changes to make it more enjoyable to the casual fan, which is what the sport is trying to attract and grow its audience within, but instead of engaging on the matter and having a discussion, you respond with the bullshit that he's got no right to an opinion due to being male. That's the same bullshit mindset that says women shouldn't commentate on men's football as its a different game.
You can just use the same grounds with the lines drawn for a smaller pitch?I agree but you can't make the grounds smaller - the goal posts is a possibility and so is the length of each half.
I'd imagine more than half the posters in here have never played a competitive game of football in their lives but still have options on the men's game.Hahaha. If you see my tagline (that i never asked for) you will get an idea I have gotten shit in here in the past for defending the womans version of the game. The big thing so many cant get their head around is that it looks different, its played at a different pace, its relatively new in its current iteration and it is for women to push for changes, not men.
Despite finding him far too defensive i accept where @Stacks is coming from. He seems to be saying that if majority of women are happy to accept that there will be more goals due to height discrepancy between keepers then it should just be accepted as part of the game that's different. I disagree that a man querying this is inherently ignorant or worse.She would say that wouldn't she.
But as someone who's watched a fair few women's matches it's clear as day the goals and the pitch are a huge issue. I don't actually understand why women wouldn't want changes that would improve their game to be made, I've seen keepers struggle to reach the centre circle with kick outs.
Yeah, men shouldn't be coaching women's football, it's their game. And don't get me started on female referees and pundits in the men's games. That's ours.Its mostly men who bring this up.
For some reason men dont seem to be able to comprehend that the womens game is a version thats theirs.
Does rugby have any different rules for men and women? I can't think of any.Hurdles, basketball, rugby, tennis.. The list goes on for sports that have slight differences that account for differences between men and women. There is a defensiveness about the conversation that seems to be more prominent when football is involved
oh good grief.Yeah, men shouldn't be coaching women's football, it's their game. And don't get me started on female referees and pundits in the men's games. That's ours.
I guess that's true enough, can't say I'm not guilty of that. Sort of trapped by it basically. I get where you're coming from - most folk involved are happy with it and if I, a man who is uninvolved, happen not to like it I should shut up and feck off. Fair enough. The thing is I can't help but think that if the game had grown independently of men then at least some of the things I mentioned would already be the norm.Ive coached a lot of girls and womens teams over the years and these threads pop up from time to time. The big problem is its men talking about what they think women should do. Its their version of the game. Men watch the womans game expecting it to be just like the mens game and when it isnt they want to change it. In all my years coaching I have never heard any of the girls or women I coached ask for any changes, they are happy playing it the way it is.
Bottom line, stop putting male expectations of the game onto the womans game. Let them have their version of the game, if you dont like it dont watch. If you can get your head around the fact it looks and plays differently then you have a chance of enjoying it for what it is.
I'm afraid neither me or you know the answer to that though, do we. Just because you've coached women's football. I've played boys and men's football for over 20 years. I'd never proclaim to know what the majority of men are happy with or not in the game.oh good grief.
So I started coaching girls and women back in 2001. Back then there were very very few female coaches. I ended up getting the better jobs because there was very little competition. The good news is that now I am pushed out of the better jobs by women coaches who have come through the ranks and are better than me. Nothing wrong with men reffing or coaching womens teams or vice versa. There is something wrong however with males wanting to change the female version of the game if the majority of women are happy with how it is.
Tbh you don’t seem open to the idea that the women’s game can change. The debate is needed. If football had stuck to such strict rules we still wouldn’t have the back pass rule change. Things should always be looked at and that’s the same for the men’s game too.Its mostly men who bring this up.
For some reason men dont seem to be able to comprehend that the womens game is a version thats theirs.
I agree with you completely that they are smaller but equality means just that.Women are smaller than blokes. They aren't as fast, aren't as strong and can't generate as much power. Average height for a woman in the UK is 5'3", for a bloke it's 5'9". Plenty of other sports allow for these differences. In women's basketball the ball's smaller and the 3 point line shorter. In golf the holes are shorter in length. In volleyball the net's lower. In athletics the hurdles are smaller, the shot put lighter and the javelin shorter. The list goes on and each of those sports exhibit a higher level of female skill and competence than is currently evident in women's football . Watching the women's Champions League final I was struck particularly by how small the keepers looked in comparison to the goal; but also how slow the game was in transition and how (relatively) cumbersome players were in possession - the ball just looked...big by comparison. In my opinion it's possible the quality of women's football could be vastly improved by relating the size of the equipment to the female body size. I'm thinking smaller pitches, smaller goals and maybe even a slightly smaller ball. I'm not advocating five a side pitches with a futsal ball, I just mean that everything be reduced to the female equivalent. What do you reckon, am I talking bollocks?
I agree with you completely that they are smaller but equality means just that.
If they want to get paid the same as men then they use what the men do.
Is "too many goals" an issue with the woman's game? That's what a smaller goal would address, right?
Looking at the last few weeks WSL results they don't seem to be out of whack with the men's game. There's plenty of 0-0s and 1-0s.
Because the pitch is too big. They're out of puff by the time they reach the 18 yard box.Is "too many goals" an issue with the woman's game? That's what a smaller goal would address, right?
Looking at the last few weeks WSL results they don't seem to be out of whack with the men's game. There's plenty of 0-0s and 1-0s.
They wouldn't need special grounds, what's the point making the pitch smaller, women can run just bloody fine. Being 6" shorter than male goalkeepers is definitely an issue though so smaller goals would make sense. It wouldn't be that difficult to implement for (professional) women's football - you'd just have 2 sets of post holes and swap goals out depending on who's playing. Would be good for kids as well being able to switch goals.The goals should be smaller no doubt about it at all. Not knocking the women's game but the main stand out issue is the goalkeeping standard and that's due to kicking power and the size of the goals. Physically women as strong as men so the goals should be made smaller and I do think the pitch could be made smaller as well.
They'd then have to have their own specialist grounds. Could actually be good for their sport if I'm honest.
The answer is in the question. What do women want for their version of the game?Surely the answer is bigger goals then, to give them more of a chance to hit the target.
Eh? That makes no sense at all. Playing a sport isn't like conquering Everest or something - so it doesn't count if you play with slightly different rules or tools.I agree with you completely that they are smaller but equality means just that.
If they want to get paid the same as men then they use what the men do.
Yes but they are quite obviously slower than men. It means the game doesn't have the same intensity - the men can use their speed and athleticism to get closer to play a lot quicker.They wouldn't need special grounds, what's the point making the pitch smaller, women can run just bloody fine. Being 6" shorter than male goalkeepers is definitely an issue though so smaller goals would make sense. It wouldn't be that difficult to implement for (professional) women's football - you'd just have 2 sets of post holes and swap goals out depending on who's playing. Would be good for kids as well being able to switch goals.
Are you saying we should increase the size of men's goals? I like that.If the goals were reduced in size then im guessing we would see less goals scored. Will less goals being scored help grow the womens side of the game?
That's a valid point and I think they need to change the men's game itself to encourage more goals (I'm a fan of the Wenger proposal to change the offside rule so the onus is on the defender to play the forward offside).If the goals were reduced in size then im guessing we would see less goals scored. Will less goals being scored help grow the womens side of the game?
Yeah, that comment was tongue in cheek obviously. I don't know what women want for the women's game.The answer is in the question. What do women want for their version of the game?
This is an important and interesting point.It shouldn’t be changed. We should just accept that it’s never going to be as good. I watched a game not so long ago and it was awful. But then again it’s a small sample. I’ve watched about 10 Wolves (men’s) games this season and they’ve all been awful.
I have read interviews where women say they should have smaller pitches and smaller goals.What do the female players themselves want?
Actually the womens goals should stay the same, and the men's ones get bigger. I made a thread about this, the goals are no longer in proportion to the growth of the average heightThat's a valid point and I think they need to change the men's game itself to encourage more goals (I'm a fan of the Wenger proposal to change the offside rule so the onus is on the defender to play the forward offside).
Have you read the interviews where women players say they dont want smaller goals etc?I have read interviews where women say they should have smaller pitches and smaller goals.
the OP is right, women are different to men, and this should be noted in the rules of the game.
The only problem might be if you have mam and women playing on the same pitch, I.e OT or at Wembley - but I’m sure it’s pretty easy to scrub out lines when needed.
Point being?Have you read the interviews where women players say they dont want smaller goals etc?
Women are smaller than blokes. They aren't as fast, aren't as strong and can't generate as much power. Average height for a woman in the UK is 5'3", for a bloke it's 5'9". Plenty of other sports allow for these differences. In women's basketball the ball's smaller and the 3 point line shorter. In golf the holes are shorter in length. In volleyball the net's lower. In athletics the hurdles are smaller, the shot put lighter and the javelin shorter. The list goes on and each of those sports exhibit a higher level of female skill and competence than is currently evident in women's football . Watching the women's Champions League final I was struck particularly by how small the keepers looked in comparison to the goal; but also how slow the game was in transition and how (relatively) cumbersome players were in possession - the ball just looked...big by comparison. In my opinion it's possible the quality of women's football could be vastly improved by relating the size of the equipment to the female body size. I'm thinking smaller pitches, smaller goals and maybe even a slightly smaller ball. I'm not advocating five a side pitches with a futsal ball, I just mean that everything be reduced to the female equivalent. What do you reckon, am I talking bollocks?