It's also the fact that they can't improve their squad already to challenge even further, which he would not get at United either.
Would you take Conte at United?
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Would he be almost too defensive though and also can't see the club appointing another devisive character
Understood. And I agree with planning for the long term.
However, football is a results driven business.
And winning something is highly significant in the long term. Success breeds success.
Looking back at Chelsea, did he really fill the side with deadwood?
And even after he left, their success has continued has it not.
No.
We'd end up resigning our castoffs again, i.e. Darmian, A.Sanchez, Young.
We'd end up resigning our castoffs again, i.e. Darmian, A.Sanchez, Young.
40 % . Feck me...
True, but Mourinho won trophies and would you say he left us in a better place than he found us? I think Conte would be more of that. Much as Ole has faults i think the team is much better than it was when he started.
Some of you never learn. Couldn't think of anything worse for our club other than Mourinho.
No!
Although I think we'd win the league under him, the mess he'd leave us in after his tenure. We'd be set back 6/7 years again.
Although I think we'd win the league under him, the mess he'd leave us in after his tenure. We'd be set back 6/7 years again.
Want Zidane and sorry not going to hide that because of what Ole did as a player
Let's not kid ourselves. Our squad is strong and something very much Conte can work with. Add in the two or three signings Ole's asking for and I think we have a serious chance at challenging next season. My concern is what possible damage can appointing Conte cause?
He is a very good coach but he is the biggest drama queen in football, not even Mourinho matches him. The guy has no flexibility, if he wants a particular player context doesn't matter, the player could lose both of his legs during the medical and Conte would still meltdown because the club didn't sign him.
No fecking thanks.
No. I'd hate having him at the club.
Of course not
Surprised to see lot of NO Here. Let's check one by one.
Conte is defensive :
Conte is another Mourinho Can't be more wrong than this statement. Mourinho was washed up when he joined us. Conte is a winner. Last but not least, a washed up Jose still got us 2 trophies. The highest by any manager post Fergie.
Conte is defensive :
What are we playing now? A defensive double pilot on top of a 150m defensive package. It would be better than that for sure.
Checking his Chelsea Stas
85 goals scored and 93 points in 2016/2017
62 goals scored and 70 points in 2017/2018
Inter stats
89 goals scored and 91 points
81 goals scored and 82 points.
I would rather be a defensive manager like above.
He buys lot of duds and we will be left with heavy rebuild.Not always. He needs specific set of players like any other manager to make his system work. Inter is known for their scatter gun approach. It doesn't mean we have to buy pensioners to meet his requirements. As long as we get the recruitment correct , we should be fine.
He fights with owners Yes, but for funds .we are a team who consistently spend a good amount on players. I don't see any reason why he would be unhappy. We don't sell players to save money.
He plays 352.Well, not always. He plays the best system he thinks is suitable for the team. Chelsea, Juve all had a 4 man defense at certain points.
he isn't long term.Who is a long term manager ? No one is staying more than 2-3 years with any team. We keep moving forward with new ideas.
This is it. If a fat pitch comes, take it. Don't sack him for allegri or Conte, people where it is absolutely guaranteed not to work out
Man won the league and finished at 91(!) points with Young, Sanchez and Lukaku at his disposal, the top three most rubbish players according to Caf. The possible damage is probably us having another, minified version of Jose playing pragmatic football who has a fetish for specific type of players. But if you look at this team you can see how pragmatic football actually fits them, they can't even control the midfield ffs. Results wise he will be an improvement over Ole no doubt but if it's about "United way" (minus the trophies) then nope, Ole is unbeatable in that aspect.
Probably not but it's a tough call.
The two best managers in the world have been with their teams more than 5 years, so your last point isn't accurate.
He does play 3-5-2. Not reason to assume he would do otherwise. He plays a style of football we'd hate, whether you call it defensive or not.
A reminder than the defensive mastermind Mourinho has had the highest scoring teams in the game.
Good luck falling out with our owners(& staff) We don't do individuals. We are a 'family'.
He's won in Italy. His only win outside was at the weakest point for all the big clubs changing managers. There is no evidence of sustained success(similar to mourinho) and he often leaves the club worse than when he joined.
Conte playing defensive football is a myth, and 3-5-2 isn't in general a defensive formation.
Yes. But with a big BUT = With two conditions. Only if, Conte can bring Nicolo Barella and the really offensive full back in Hakimi with him to Old Trafford and sign contract to theirs end of career.
Football is a team sport. Inspired of the movie Ocean Eleven. I will not only bring the leader of the project. But the whole unique team/Equipe. All the important units and ingredients that result in that Ocean Eleven reach theirs goal and success. In Inter case. League winning.
So back to Barella and Hakimi. I have been watching and scouting those two players a lot. Last season before Barella joined Inter and Hakimi on loan for Dortmund from Real Madrid.
Just look at how many goals and assists Hakimi had this season. And why Inter bought him from Real Madrid. He can play on both sides. I was thinking he would be an ideal left back for United. The time back Shaw were struggling and before United Bissaka. It’s for his offensive abilities that really impress me. Athlete as Liverpool Robertson. Run up and down with full speed. The tenacity, the drive, guts and energetic. Beside the football ball skills. Kind of player you easily see is the real deal.
Same you can say about Barella. The drive, energy and guts. Beside really good basic ball skills. The full packet as a player. Like Liverpool Robertson. Top and really close to top level. You easily discovered them. Because they are shining so bright. It’s like “Come and get me”.
So if you buy only Conte. One of the piece, puzzle of success which is the bigger picture. Only having one important ingredients, but not the others important ingredients. Then you it will not guarantee and get you success and the big picture you were aiming for. But a big picture. A result of a failure. Because you are putting different ingredients. Then logically the end result, the bigger picture will be different too.
Success like everything in this Universe have a receipt. It mean it has reasons and ingredients that will lead to it. Only if you get the right ingredients. And there are really many ingredients in that. Like Conte is not the only important ingredient and reason behind a team success.
In others. If not Barella and Hakimi with Conte to United. It mean United and Conte have to bring others players who is equally good or better than Barella and Hakimi to be sure. Get others to do the same required jobs as Barella and Hakimi.
Conlusion is. Isolate and only Conte = No
Conte + ( Barella + Hakimi ) = Yes
But No Conte. But still yes to Barella and Hakimi. Yeah leaders is important too. But without the warriors who the battle and war for you. You are done and finish too. Why the movie Ocean Eleven was a really good movie, beside entertaining. It’s inspired and teach and tell how a team achieved success and reach their goals. And football consist of 11 out players. That’s why I have some times on this forum. Using football version of Ocean Eleven as an example. Different units and different skills, abilities. But with same vision, same hunger, same direction and same goals. Merging to a strong unit together. That’s the way to go.
But in the end. Success is the top of the mountain. There are different way and path that lead to the top of the mmountain. It mean there are different receipts to success. And if we define success by winning trophies. Then of course. There are many ways to win big trophies. But the important factor and fundamentals are the same. Like hard work, get the best peoples in each position and areas, having same focus, hunger and direction. Those things are required. But with different kind of peoples.
And most of all. The important and invisible factor = Luck, margins and things go your team way. How can we see it with our human eyes, when that puzzle, factor and ingredient is invisible? Like when is that person running out of luck?If luck is a visible factor and ingredient. Then it will be 100 % more sure that person and team will achieve success.
Like Conte in this case. He just won Serie A. So definitely lady luck was on his side. And he had won premier league with Chelsea before. But again, with a really good set of players and factors & Ingredients with him. And with United current squad? Plus 2-3 top players. Do you think Conte or Ole can win premier league & ch.league? Analyze and rate the current ingredients and factors with United now. Adding Conte or keep Ole. And use Ocean Eleven as inspiration and guideline. Do you think United will win the premier league. Let us say Max 3 years from now?
P.S Sorry for a long post. But success is like a spider web. Many many different unit’s related to each other’s. When we first explain and find the reasons and ingredients to success. It has to be long. And still I could write more. Like the owner, the physical teams, choosing of football boots , fans and income. So that’s it. It’s so many things to take into counting. The big picture is really complicated. But most important. Believe in the big picture, not only one isolated factor and puzzle. Like our human ego. Even not based on the big picture, then we are cooky enough saying we are the right man. If we do then. It’s soon or later our cooky confidence will meet the wall. Then we realize and accept in team sport. We are not the only one
Football is a team sport. Inspired of the movie Ocean Eleven. I will not only bring the leader of the project. But the whole unique team/Equipe. All the important units and ingredients that result in that Ocean Eleven reach theirs goal and success. In Inter case. League winning.
So back to Barella and Hakimi. I have been watching and scouting those two players a lot. Last season before Barella joined Inter and Hakimi on loan for Dortmund from Real Madrid.
Just look at how many goals and assists Hakimi had this season. And why Inter bought him from Real Madrid. He can play on both sides. I was thinking he would be an ideal left back for United. The time back Shaw were struggling and before United Bissaka. It’s for his offensive abilities that really impress me. Athlete as Liverpool Robertson. Run up and down with full speed. The tenacity, the drive, guts and energetic. Beside the football ball skills. Kind of player you easily see is the real deal.
Same you can say about Barella. The drive, energy and guts. Beside really good basic ball skills. The full packet as a player. Like Liverpool Robertson. Top and really close to top level. You easily discovered them. Because they are shining so bright. It’s like “Come and get me”.
So if you buy only Conte. One of the piece, puzzle of success which is the bigger picture. Only having one important ingredients, but not the others important ingredients. Then you it will not guarantee and get you success and the big picture you were aiming for. But a big picture. A result of a failure. Because you are putting different ingredients. Then logically the end result, the bigger picture will be different too.
Success like everything in this Universe have a receipt. It mean it has reasons and ingredients that will lead to it. Only if you get the right ingredients. And there are really many ingredients in that. Like Conte is not the only important ingredient and reason behind a team success.
In others. If not Barella and Hakimi with Conte to United. It mean United and Conte have to bring others players who is equally good or better than Barella and Hakimi to be sure. Get others to do the same required jobs as Barella and Hakimi.
Conlusion is. Isolate and only Conte = No
Conte + ( Barella + Hakimi ) = Yes
But No Conte. But still yes to Barella and Hakimi. Yeah leaders is important too. But without the warriors who the battle and war for you. You are done and finish too. Why the movie Ocean Eleven was a really good movie, beside entertaining. It’s inspired and teach and tell how a team achieved success and reach their goals. And football consist of 11 out players. That’s why I have some times on this forum. Using football version of Ocean Eleven as an example. Different units and different skills, abilities. But with same vision, same hunger, same direction and same goals. Merging to a strong unit together. That’s the way to go.
But in the end. Success is the top of the mountain. There are different way and path that lead to the top of the mmountain. It mean there are different receipts to success. And if we define success by winning trophies. Then of course. There are many ways to win big trophies. But the important factor and fundamentals are the same. Like hard work, get the best peoples in each position and areas, having same focus, hunger and direction. Those things are required. But with different kind of peoples.
And most of all. The important and invisible factor = Luck, margins and things go your team way. How can we see it with our human eyes, when that puzzle, factor and ingredient is invisible? Like when is that person running out of luck?If luck is a visible factor and ingredient. Then it will be 100 % more sure that person and team will achieve success.
Like Conte in this case. He just won Serie A. So definitely lady luck was on his side. And he had won premier league with Chelsea before. But again, with a really good set of players and factors & Ingredients with him. And with United current squad? Plus 2-3 top players. Do you think Conte or Ole can win premier league & ch.league? Analyze and rate the current ingredients and factors with United now. Adding Conte or keep Ole. And use Ocean Eleven as inspiration and guideline. Do you think United will win the premier league. Let us say Max 3 years from now?
P.S Sorry for a long post. But success is like a spider web. Many many different unit’s related to each other’s. When we first explain and find the reasons and ingredients to success. It has to be long. And still I could write more. Like the owner, the physical teams, choosing of football boots , fans and income. So that’s it. It’s so many things to take into counting. The big picture is really complicated. But most important. Believe in the big picture, not only one isolated factor and puzzle. Like our human ego. Even not based on the big picture, then we are cooky enough saying we are the right man. If we do then. It’s soon or later our cooky confidence will meet the wall. Then we realize and accept in team sport. We are not the only one
Oh do feck off.Yes. But with a big BUT = With two conditions. Only if, Conte can bring Nicolo Barella and the really offensive full back in Hakimi with him to Old Trafford and sign contract to theirs end of career.
Football is a team sport. Inspired of the movie Ocean Eleven. I will not only bring the leader of the project. But the whole unique team/Equipe. All the important units and ingredients that result in that Ocean Eleven reach theirs goal and success. In Inter case. League winning.
So back to Barella and Hakimi. I have been watching and scouting those two players a lot. Last season before Barella joined Inter and Hakimi on loan for Dortmund from Real Madrid.
Just look at how many goals and assists Hakimi had this season. And why Inter bought him from Real Madrid. He can play on both sides. I was thinking he would be an ideal left back for United. The time back Shaw were struggling and before United Bissaka. It’s for his offensive abilities that really impress me. Athlete as Liverpool Robertson. Run up and down with full speed. The tenacity, the drive, guts and energetic. Beside the football ball skills. Kind of player you easily see is the real deal.
Same you can say about Barella. The drive, energy and guts. Beside really good basic ball skills. The full packet as a player. Like Liverpool Robertson. Top and really close to top level. You easily discovered them. Because they are shining so bright. It’s like “Come and get me”.
So if you buy only Conte. One of the piece, puzzle of success which is the bigger picture. Only having one important ingredients, but not the others important ingredients. Then you it will not guarantee and get you success and the big picture you were aiming for. But a big picture. A result of a failure. Because you are putting different ingredients. Then logically the end result, the bigger picture will be different too.
Success like everything in this Universe have a receipt. It mean it has reasons and ingredients that will lead to it. Only if you get the right ingredients. And there are really many ingredients in that. Like Conte is not the only important ingredient and reason behind a team success.
In others. If not Barella and Hakimi with Conte to United. It mean United and Conte have to bring others players who is equally good or better than Barella and Hakimi to be sure. Get others to do the same required jobs as Barella and Hakimi.
Conlusion is. Isolate and only Conte = No
Conte + ( Barella + Hakimi ) = Yes
But No Conte. But still yes to Barella and Hakimi. Yeah leaders is important too. But without the warriors who the battle and war for you. You are done and finish too. Why the movie Ocean Eleven was a really good movie, beside entertaining. It’s inspired and teach and tell how a team achieved success and reach their goals. And football consist of 11 out players. That’s why I have some times on this forum. Using football version of Ocean Eleven as an example. Different units and different skills, abilities. But with same vision, same hunger, same direction and same goals. Merging to a strong unit together. That’s the way to go.
But in the end. Success is the top of the mountain. There are different way and path that lead to the top of the mmountain. It mean there are different receipts to success. And if we define success by winning trophies. Then of course. There are many ways to win big trophies. But the important factor and fundamentals are the same. Like hard work, get the best peoples in each position and areas, having same focus, hunger and direction. Those things are required. But with different kind of peoples.
And most of all. The important and invisible factor = Luck, margins and things go your team way. How can we see it with our human eyes, when that puzzle, factor and ingredient is invisible? Like when is that person running out of luck?If luck is a visible factor and ingredient. Then it will be 100 % more sure that person and team will achieve success.
Like Conte in this case. He just won Serie A. So definitely lady luck was on his side. And he had won premier league with Chelsea before. But again, with a really good set of players and factors & Ingredients with him. And with United current squad? Plus 2-3 top players. Do you think Conte or Ole can win premier league & ch.league? Analyze and rate the current ingredients and factors with United now. Adding Conte or keep Ole. And use Ocean Eleven as inspiration and guideline. Do you think United will win the premier league. Let us say Max 3 years from now?
P.S Sorry for a long post. But success is like a spider web. Many many different unit’s related to each other’s. When we first explain and find the reasons and ingredients to success. It has to be long. And still I could write more. Like the owner, the physical teams, choosing of football boots , fans and income. So that’s it. It’s so many things to take into counting. The big picture is really complicated. But most important. Believe in the big picture, not only one isolated factor and puzzle. Like our human ego. Even not based on the big picture, then we are cooky enough saying we are the right man. If we do then. It’s soon or later our cooky confidence will meet the wall. Then we realize and accept in team sport. We are not the only one
Outside of the absurdity of some Scotsman being fed up with what he saw last night and deciding to pick up where he left off I don't think there is a manager I'd replace Ole with right now.
We're building something, it's progressing a bit slower than most of us would like, but it's been moving forward for a while now. Would be a shame to throw it out the window for something that could very well crash and burn.
We're building something, it's progressing a bit slower than most of us would like, but it's been moving forward for a while now. Would be a shame to throw it out the window for something that could very well crash and burn.
Looking at the landscape of managers to me there is only two that I’d really take over Ole currently and they’ll never manage here ever I would imagine.
Conte is not one of them.
Conte is not one of them.
The new Mou. An upgrade on Ole, but feel we would see the back of him in 3 years max
Worth it if we can get a Premier League title from it.
So, Pep and Klopp are the only 2 managers you'd take over Ole currently?
Besides those 2, Ole is the best manager in the world?
True that. If it means sacrificing the "has been" title for short term glory which I'm sure we miss under Mou and van Gaal over Ole, then perhaps a mercernary manager is the way forward...
He is the epitome of short-termism.
Buys old players, gets one or two extra seasons out of them, then leaves a team with an insane rebuild on their hands.
Unless you've got unlimited funds for regular rebuilds, avoid.
Buys old players, gets one or two extra seasons out of them, then leaves a team with an insane rebuild on their hands.
Unless you've got unlimited funds for regular rebuilds, avoid.
We never had glory under Mourinho and Van Gaal. Both were past it when they were employed.
Conte isn't past it. He just won Serie A at a canter.
Is it worth winning the PL and having him mess up the club? We would hire him, win something, then sack him and hire Ole again to clean the mess. Conte would probably bring Lukaku and Young back to the club again.
Myth.
https://www.transfermarkt.us/antonio-conte/spielertransfers/trainer/3517
Plenty of 'non-old players there'
He left Juventus in a good state. Chelsea weren't in an awful state either when he left.
This the bloke that came bottom of a CL group with Shaktar, Munchengladbach & RM?
His record is Europe is a massive blackmark on his career.
His domestic league record is 2nd only to Pep currently.
Both won trophies, with a worse squad, in the same amount of time given. Trophies, at least to me, are glory.
Surprised so many would turn their noses on ACTUAL coach who pays a lot attention to every small detail on the pitch and is winning league titles like there’s no tomorrow over the guy that delegates his duties to Carrick and McKenna as he’s not into this coaching bit you know and also immune to trophies. Some people deserve to see us waste another season in the complete wilderness.
Fair enough if you consider that glory.
Still, both of them were past it when we employed them.
I think the question needs to be re-framed as it could be interpreted two ways:
1. Would you want the club to sack Ole in order to hire Conte?
or
2. Would you hire Conte if the club already had decided to sack Ole?
If it's number 1, then it's a resounding no.
If it's number 2, then I must think about it.
1. Would you want the club to sack Ole in order to hire Conte?
or
2. Would you hire Conte if the club already had decided to sack Ole?
If it's number 1, then it's a resounding no.
If it's number 2, then I must think about it.
Why are you surprised?
It's the cafe. There were plenty of people on here making excuses for the shambles vs Villareal.
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